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  • 21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    -Loki- wrote: »
    I've had Shinobu doing the expedition that gets raw meat and bird eggs for ages now, for the raw meat since she gets +25% brought back. Anyway, I went to a vendor that was selling bird eggs and oh.

    I have 593 bird eggs.

    I think she can swap to the seagrass/chicken expedition now.

    imagine thinking you can have too many egg.

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  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    edited April 19
    There's a free demo on Steam for Grim Guardians: Demon Purge right now. Despite all the SotN nods and fancier graphics, this is more of a Classicvania with some branching paths in-level in the style of Curse of the Moon (and I'm assuming some areas you need abilities to reach later.) I don't see the kind of advanced tag team stuff that Portrait of Ruin made famous, its only slightly above Curse of the Moon level. There is an actual 2 player co-op mode though but I haven't tried.

    One character being a machine gun that needs to reload feels kind of odd for Castlevania. Not completely sold but its worth a try for something different. Oh and the story/voice is pretty insufferable (although not pervy so far) but you can skip it and even then its not that much. You might pull down the voice volume though just because the girls are going to yelp for literally every single button press. Still the "production value" is surpisingly high in some ways, like its nice to see demons literally sliced in half when you are using the melee sister, animations are suitibly goey, sound effects have explosive impact, and the music has a haunted harpsichord feel.

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  • ThePantsAssociationThePantsAssociation A million could-be years on a thousand may-be worldsRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    -Loki- wrote: »
    I've had Shinobu doing the expedition that gets raw meat and bird eggs for ages now, for the raw meat since she gets +25% brought back. Anyway, I went to a vendor that was selling bird eggs and oh.

    I have 593 bird eggs.

    I think she can swap to the seagrass/chicken expedition now.

    imagine thinking you can have too many egg.

    6ikvbtve0mfn.jpg

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  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    edited April 14
  • 21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    -Loki- wrote: »
    I've had Shinobu doing the expedition that gets raw meat and bird eggs for ages now, for the raw meat since she gets +25% brought back. Anyway, I went to a vendor that was selling bird eggs and oh.

    I have 593 bird eggs.

    I think she can swap to the seagrass/chicken expedition now.

    imagine thinking you can have too many egg.

    6ikvbtve0mfn.jpg

    where did you get a vintage photo of me?

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  • Darth_MogsDarth_Mogs Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I haven't done the math or anything, but improving the HP scaling while reducing the attack scaling is likely a net positive. It's generally beneficial in Genshin when you can prioritize buffing one stat instead of splitting between multiples. It's a big part of why Xinyan is so mediocre, or why Albedo's burst is so weak. So that change is probably good, but she needs more. I don't think a full overhaul is necessary, though; the gameplan she is going for is fine. She probably just needs a bit more damage, and better off-field pyro application, and that'd be good.

    It is technically in increase, after having looked at it but just barely and I don't know if it's an increase /overall/ considering what her apparent best teams are looking like.

    I'm going to spoiler this since it's getting heavy into the leaks and mech and such and not everyone might be interested. (Also this is not specifically directed as instructing you or anything, it's basically just a jumping off point to cover what I've seen so far in general to elaborate on why it's such a mess)
    So the issues with Dehya's 'buff' are pretty much:

    -The HP% scalings are so small that they only barely balance out the loss to her ATK% scaling (which is ignoring certain influences like...)
    -The only 'good' teams for her at the moment are Mono-Pyro (Some combination of Bennett, Kazuha/Sucrose and another Pyro like Xiangling...who will be doing far more damage than her) and maybe Reverse-Melt

    Nerfing her ATK% scaling means Bennett gives her less benefit which would be fine if she had, y'know, options.

    Giving her HP% inherent to her kit is a good move in theory, except the best source of some extra HP% is Hydro Resonance....which she does not benefit from. Her reliable Pyro application is too slow to get much benefit from Vaporize and, damningly, her Burst is technically 'Automatic' with some interaction. What this means is that when she is applying the most Pyro she can, which is in her Burst, she can't trigger Xingqiu's Rain Swords or Yelan's Throw even though you are pressing attack during her Burst. Every other Hydro character cannot really apply Hydro that fast and even with a faster Hydro application, like say a Hydro Archon, her damage is still relying on small numbers compared to everyone else, which means she's still going to be poor with more vapes and will get outclassed by every other Pyro character in the game almost. (I don't know anything about the Hydro Archon, it's just been a popular theory that Dehya has been designed to work with her which is naive at best) This is because, even if she's got Dual-Scaling rather than Split-scaling, sources of stats don't...work that way. You can have an artifact with ATK% and HP% and get benefit with Dual-Scaling but she's still going to benefit /more/ from ATK%. This means it actively disincentivizes you to build HP intentionally, which means her entire kit is going to suffer. And since they took away ATK% scaling to give her a minute HP% bonus...yeah.

    The actual idea of her kit is interesting but I think it's completely unnecessary considering it's not providing a unique benefit. At most it's a 50% damage mitigation (technically 56% but we're not counting Constellations) for your other characters in limited windows (8 seconds of downtime between when her skill disappears and can be cast again, not counting that her Burst consumes it) and vaguely worded 'interruption resistance'. As an alternative to just using a Shield, it....isn't. And as we've covered, her Pyro application is dire. And the biggest downside to it is that she literally only does anything if your characters stay in the field she puts down. If you step out of it, she's not giving Mitigation OR Resistance Interruption. Which means if her skill field is small, she's actually just that much more useless.

    So basically she fails as an on-field DPS because she doesn't have the numbers or reaction viability, she fails as an off-field sub-DPS for the same reasons and because her Burst is basically 100% only Pyro damage from small numbers, and she fails as an off-field Support because she doesn't really give reaction assistance, she doesn't give a unique benefit to warrant using her (which is actually restrictive because the benefits she gives only apply if your characters stay in a certain area), she barely generates any energy particles (which means her 70 cost Burst is laughable) and, worst of all, you run her for damage mitigation, not prevention...which means you're still going to need a healer.

    This is why I say her kit is Intentionally Bad. I'm not saying that to just say it; her kit displays a complete understanding of the workings of the game and a complete disregard for making something viable within them. And it does so in such a way that salvaging it with something in the future (as a lot of people are suggesting) would require something very hyper-specific. For an artifact set, you basically need to make a Reverse-Vermillion Hereafter set since she doesn't actually work with the Vermillion Hereafter set because her Burst is about the only time she can't be damaged. And that would have a terrible knock-on effect for some characters like Hu Tao, likely, so they wouldn't do that. A hypothetical future Hydro character, Archon or not, that works with her to vape would need to be a healer with off-field presence that shares her pyro ticks so that they couldn't just be used with literally any other Pyro character instead, or can increase her Pyro application speed somehow, which, again, would have issues with other characters. This is not a case where she's being released 'incomplete' as some characters have been in the past to be 'fixed' with something in the future. She's being released in a state (assuming there are no further changes) that is almost impossible to buff after the fact.

    The ways to turn it around at this point are basically any combination of the following:

    -Reverse her scalings: HP% set as her primary scaling with ATK% as a Dual-Scale with low-mid priority. Something that means an ATK% Claymore isn't a waste for her, basically, where you'll want to focus on HP% otherwise.
    -Increase her Pyro application dramatically: There is talk going around where her Burst, with the help of Mona, can Vape 4 out of 10 hits which is...not great. Take that with a grain of salt, of course. Personally, I don't want her to just be another Pyro character that wants all your Hydro characters to play with them but it's that way for a reason. She also apparently vapes better than she burgeons which is almost sadly impressive. Also give her literally any kind of Elemental Mastery through passives or something since she has zero as is.
    -Embrace her Kit further: Bump up her mitigation to something actually worth it. Make it so that there's a chance damage is negated completely or something. Add a lifesteal to her coordinated attack so that you're gaining /some/ HP back. I cannot emphaize this enough: Make sure the field that your characters have to stand in for her kit to actually do anything is real big! Alternatively, don't make your team need to stand in a field to actually just have her do anything. If she's meant to be a Support, she needs to be able to support.
    -Add a new layer to her Kit: Give her 'Revenge' damage additives based on what she absorbs through the Mitigation to give her a set rotation. (Skill->switch off->switch back in after skill expires to Burst, throw down new skill and repeat)
    -Just make numbers go up: Keep her kit the way it is so that she doesn't really synergize with anyone and balance her to stand on her own. If the only real damage benefit she can get is from Bennett and Kazuha/Sucrose, balance her around that or something.

    I'm not convinced they're going to do anything, though. They just seem dead-set on releasing her like she is for...some reason. The changes she's gotten have been minimal and made her worse on every step (arguably even this last one) and nobody has any idea why. It would just be easy to say "well obviously there's something coming in the future that will make her good" but that's bad logic and I'm honestly finding it difficult to imagine what they could do in the future if that's the route they're choosing.

    tl;dr Dehya as it stands is an absolute mess and needs help that she probably won't get.

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Actually got my risk 18 out of the way early this time

    Was basically the Mudrock and M3nster Murder Everything Show, exactly the same as chapter 10.

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  • edited April 18
    The Fey and Flowers season is an all timer (even though the finale gets unfortunately truncated by scheduling problems), partially because everyone fully buys into the regency setting and partially because Emily and Lou go full chaos mode and they keep egging each other on to crazier and crazier ideas

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  • akTheraakThera akjak Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Zhongli 1.0 wasn't even quite as bad off as all that, and he only got fixed because he was the "Chinese" Archon and the uproar over him being lackluster was tremendous.

    So yeah... There's no hope for her to be meaningfully changed I'd wager.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    Looking at Dehya it almost seems ironic that if you're looking for a Pyro DPS it'd be better to get Hu Tao instead, even though she's well over a year old and by all rights should not be so far beyond a newly released unit.

    How is Klee, the first character added after launch, holding up as a pyro DPS?

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User Mod Emeritus
    edited April 18
    Watching Tiny Heist. Not familiar with the McIlroys before now but not overwhelmed with their genius so far. The guy playing a Lego man is funny, though.

    Probably start A Crown of Candy next, about which I hear good things.

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  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    edited April 18
    Also a vote for Fey and Flowers as my favourite (and also for the strength of Lou and Emily as noble fuckabouts), though I like most of them from what I've seen.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Spoit wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Looking at Dehya it almost seems ironic that if you're looking for a Pyro DPS it'd be better to get Hu Tao instead, even though she's well over a year old and by all rights should not be so far beyond a newly released unit.

    How is Klee, the first character added after launch, holding up as a pyro DPS?

    Not great. She's fine and if you got used to her in the beginning she still performs as she did. But her timing has always been wonky in the first place.

    But, and this must be said repeatedly I think, Genshin tries to avoid power creep. A ton of players clear all the content aside from the highest abyss levels with a horribly optimized Traveler. They've designed the game to be playable by just about anyone. You can make any character work.

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  • ZomroZomro Registered User regular
    edited April 18
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    The Fey and Flowers season is an all timer (even though the finale gets unfortunately truncated by scheduling problems), partially because everyone fully buys into the regency setting and partially because Emily and Lou go full chaos mode and they keep egging each other on to crazier and crazier ideas

    ACoFaF was such a great time. Rue and Hob is one of the best RP romances I've seen, Andehera's awkwardness and eventual confidence is terrific, a PC being a Warlock patron is hilarious, and it's topped by the sheer chaotic charisma of the Lords of the Wing.

    I think my favorite part about Emily and Lou in that season is how Chirp and Squak are these self centered party animals but also genuinely love and support each other.

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  • Warlock82Warlock82 Never pet a burning dog Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    ph blake wrote: »
    Actually got my risk 18 out of the way early this time

    Was basically the Mudrock and M3nster Murder Everything Show, exactly the same as chapter 10.

    Same actually. Once I looked up how to do it this one was surprisingly easy. I tried to do some on my own before that and it was a nightmare (I had to turn off the +75% respawn time risk because my team was dying left and right). But it seems to mostly be about manipulating who the bomb thing targets (Hoshi with two healers on her :3)

    (that said, seeing even more operators with modules I don't have in that video T_T Luckily none of them were necessary at all for this)

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    A lot of people feel that Yanfei straight up plays better / smoother, but yeah, Klee can totally work.

    Her burst is an effect that creates what is basically a turret, but she needs to be on-field, which is also a turnoff for some.

    I kinda like her though, but I do prefer characters that actually get to stay on field for more than half a second so I don't mind her burst.

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    edited April 14
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  • XantusXantus Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    klee is still a 6* on voicelines ^^
    perhaps we can just pretend that deyha is an interesting 4*

    i eagerly await the next artifact set drop, wherein hoyo will try to fix her kit with a shakespearian sonnet style arti-set description

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Klee is very awkward to play, but she does have some utility (field passive and blowing up rocks are useful, and a catalyst char means she's good at puzzles). And yeah, she's got a fun personality. Completely innocent little pyromaniac.

    Her E is also fairly unique still, and has fun interactions with anemo.

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah, it's pretty cool to grab all her little bombs with Jean's skill and fling them at someone.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I've never bothered to do all this fancy attack canceling crap with Klee. I just throw the bombs. It's been more than enough.

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  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    edited April 19
    Alright after the second level (and end of demo) I can say that Grim Guardians is just plain good Castlevania. While its somewhat constrained and challenging like a classicvania, it moves more like an igavania and is forgiving enough with the ability to revive your partner, and usually letting you fall to a lower level instead of a life-stealing pit. Even though there's a bit of a silly cartoon twist, it still has the proper gothic feel, and is just plain fun. It is Inti Creates (Curse of the Moon) so I guess there should've been no reason to doubt in spite of the gal-gun connection. Not sure we have any price yet but I will definitely be picking this up at some point (supposed to launch in two weeks?)

    Anyway they released a video showing off more gameplay if you're not going to download the demo. (Actually shows off some later stuff well past the demo anyway.)

    https://youtu.be/SUP0GFkgeOE

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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    edited April 18
    Emily is an amazing agent of chaos in whatever she is in while also being one of the most supportive “yes and” style of supportive character.

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  • FeldornFeldorn Mediocre Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    hammered out the R18, had all the pieces for it so wasn't too bad.

    still need to do the challenge missions.

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    edited April 14
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  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    edited April 18
    If there’s anyone at the table as good at improv as Brennan it’s Emily.

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  • RidleySariaRidleySaria AnaheimRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    I've been saving up my primos. First lost a 50/50 and got Tighnari who I didn't already have. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Then I scored another constellation for Hu Tao and two for Yelan. It was a very good day.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    With the way Dehya is looking, I pushed to the 50/50 on Yelan's banner because her c1 is a nice QoL upgrade for her. Lost the 50/50 and got Keqing c2... of course that's not exactly a bust anymore, I just don't have her geared. Dunno if I'll pull any more here or just save for someone else.

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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    edited April 18
    Sleep wrote: »
    If there’s anyone at the table as good at improv as Brennan it’s Emily.

    If you haven't heard her DM before you should check out Hot Boy Summer on the NADDPOD feed, with guest star Zack Oyama. Its like 4-5 episodes? Its fantastic. They have a sequel on the $10 patreon tier from last year which is also great.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Going for Yelan without the 50/50 guarantee. Maybe I will finally break the streak of losses?

    Edit: I broke the streak. Yelan get.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 19
    Oh, that does look more interesting with some of those later tools - the demo ends right as you get the first additions (grenades and the paper crane platforms), so I didn't really get to try them out much.

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  • JayrichoJayricho Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Another episode of the Colorado Avalanche and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad 3rd Period.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah, but they're playing against the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad season.

    So no worries

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  • JayrichoJayricho Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah, about that…

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Sorry, i jinxed it

    5-9 in OT this season.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The real trick was when they took a penalty in OT to get their 3v3 unit off the ice quickly

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  • NoughtNought Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I swear there must be some guy out there super bummed that he never loses the 50/50, and have almostvno permanent banner 5*s.

    I think I have won the toss tre, maybe four, times. And one was on the Keqing banner.

    I have Keqing at c7 now. That feels real bad.

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  • MirkelMirkel FinlandRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    The worst luck is to lose a bunch of 50/50s and then always get the same standard banner 5*s. I'm still missing Mona and Jean.

    Somebody never losing 50/50 would still have a few of standard banner 5*s from the blue fates.

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  • FeldornFeldorn Mediocre Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    No 5* yet at ~60 pulls for Yelan. Did get Xingqiu and Beidou to C4, C1 on Bennet, and a Widsith though, so I’d say still an overall success.

    Edit, want to work on another cryo, all at C0 would you recommend Rosaria, Kaeya, or Diona?

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Kaeya, as noted by others, is a really good 4* cryo applicator. His ult is fantastic, and his E is on a very short cooldown. Very effective.

    Diona is different. If you're bringing her, it's about healing and shields. Enemies do take an ATK reduction as well, which is nice, and if you have her at C6, you get a very nice EM boost from her ult. But on the down side, her cryo application is weak.

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