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  • akTheraakThera akjak Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The story is very good. Only bad thing I have to say about the whole of Fontaine was the slow pace and running around of the Fortress parts in the previous acts. I really enjoyed Sumeru too, but Fontaine feels like a pretty clear step up to me.

    I also apparently lied about the Noelle team being my first order of business. I took a path of lesser resistance and threw together a Yanfei party for Furina instead, and I really enjoyed it. Those two are such a perfect fit, character design-wise. I did learn though that Furina's HP drain is not to be underestimated; it feels awkward for Benny to keep more than the main character healthy. Of course, for overworld stuff, Furina herself can top people up whenever you want. But going forward, I might be more inclined to build teams that use characters like Jean and Charlotte.

    Again, hear me out: Qiqi

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    https://youtube.com/shorts/eqEke_HoGuQ?si=bB_1ybQqyTqfE32I

    Wow. This is the final episode. Only six.

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  • JonBobJonBob Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    And away we go. Quite a start.

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  • GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Hey just realized the last episode is on my birthday.

    Either a real great gift or a big stinker.

    Happy birthday!

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  • JonBobJonBob Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I think I 80% understand that resolution. But it sure was pretty.

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  • RonTheDMRonTheDM Yes, yes Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    good

    good resolution
    part of me was really worried there'd be some way out of character thing like Sylvie ends up leading the TVA or something, but they proved they knew what they were doing and the resolution of this was great. Good Season 1, Good Season 2, good ending. Good show. Great casting. Great visuals. Not Andor good but if Andor is a 10 then Loki is a solid 9, definitely at the top of the MCU shows

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I think this season made season 1 even better, because while it seemed like there were a couple wasted episodes then, Loki's arc makes less sense now if he didn't work all the, well, Loki, God of Mischief out of his system over that time.

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  • TiglissTigliss Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Woooooow that finale holy shit.
    knew he'd made an Yggdrasil as soon as it showed the vines, nicely done.

    He finally has a throne.
    Truly burdened with glorious purpose.

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  • neverreallyneverreally Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Fuck yes. Nailed the ending. This is by favorite marvel property now. Glorious!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • RonTheDMRonTheDM Yes, yes Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    ok,

    I think it's time to ask

    the "best casting decision" people have always argued is Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man

    but ... Tom Hiddleston acted his heart out as Loki, it really seems like he loves the character.

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I have so many questions.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I have so many questions.

    Go ahead?

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I have so many questions.

    Go ahead?
    Why is this any safer than
    blowing up the loom and letting things land where they may? Is it because Loki is pruning out threats? And if so, how is that any more free than before? And why does everything online say he is the god of stories now? Did they say that at some point and I missed it?
    Among other, less story relevant questions.

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  • RonTheDMRonTheDM Yes, yes Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    well
    He Who Remains explains that the Loom is just a failsafe that reverts time back to the Sacred Timeline. The doomed timeline Loki was on was time continually resetting itself back to the Sacred Timeline, voiding the branch he was on. Loki is told that if he gets rid of the Loom then an infinite number of He Who Remains variants will obliterate all of time, so Loki usurps He Who Remains and instead of having the single, solitary sacred timeline he creates a multiverse and repurposes the TVA to hunt He Who Remains variants instead of pruning timelines.

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    well
    He Who Remains explains that the Loom is just a failsafe that reverts time back to the Sacred Timeline. The doomed timeline Loki was on was time continually resetting itself back to the Sacred Timeline, voiding the branch he was on. Loki is told that if he gets rid of the Loom then an infinite number of He Who Remains variants will obliterate all of time, so Loki usurps He Who Remains and instead of having the single, solitary sacred timeline he creates a multiverse and repurposes the TVA to hunt He Who Remains variants instead of pruning timelines.

    Yeah, I got that much. But why
    does he need to sit in the center of the multiverse? With the loom gone, all the timelines were going to keep going until they produce a Kang, then they would war with each other. So the TVA hunts Kangs. What is Loki doing in there, exactly? How is him being in the tree different from him being in the TVA keeping an eye on Kangs?

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I have so many questions.

    Go ahead?
    Why is this any safer than
    blowing up the loom and letting things land where they may? Is it because Loki is pruning out threats? And if so, how is that any more free than before? And why does everything online say he is the god of stories now? Did they say that at some point and I missed it?
    Among other, less story relevant questions.

    I guess "God of Stories" is a new comics thing, but last episode was called Science/Fiction for a reason. Fiction is a story, and last episode Loki learned to master his own story by timeslipping into points along his own timeline.
    Now he is the master of all stories as he has become the cultivator of Yggrissil the World Tree. He can make sure that the timelines have a chance to fight back against their own destruction...because doing so is a good story. They might fail, but at least they had a chance, compared to the TVA just pruning undesirable universes.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I love Zone of the Enders 2's particular brand of anime robot bullshit
    https://youtu.be/5uWKFP7OAgo

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Several things to say.

    Number one: I fucking knew it.
    This whole second season was another setup by He Who Remains. Victor, Renslayer, Miss Minutes, all of it was just He Who Remains continuing his plan. And it was a failsafe plan, just like I thought. Also, haha, fuck you Renslayer and your murderous thirst for control. You letting a room full of helpless people get crushed to death led directly to getting eaten by a time monster and you fucking deserve it. Especially now that we know you condemned at least one 8 year-old child to fearful destruction at the end of time.

    Number two: I feel like everybody should know the name Natalie Holt because she's the composer for the Loki series and holy fucking shit. This is some John Williams grade good shit here. Her music is doing as much heavy lifting here as any of the MCU heroes could manage, particularly that fucking amazing reworked finale Loki theme. The MCU should have her just score everything from now on because damn. Seriously, Disney, just make her the main MCU composer already.

    Number three: seeing the direction Loki has gone from his petulant, greedy days of the first Thor film has been pretty awesome.
    Hiddleston has always delivered an AWESOME Loki, good or evil. And seeing Loki realize how small-minded and empty he was to reaching a point where he rewrites reality for the sake of his friends is pretty fantastic. They really make his whole "burdened with glorious purpose" line come back around on him in a hard way, but he takes it on anyway.

    Also, I feel like it would be pretty awesome now for Loki to speak with Odin. Odin always treated his sons with love even as he knew Loki was a struggle, but now? Oh, Thor killed a Thanos and saved a universe? Loki saved all of them by making Yggdrasil. I feel like Odin would tell Thor "great job", and then go over to Loki and go "holy fucking shit, I can't even wrap my mind around how amazing this one is".

    Very interesting to see where things ended up at. In particular, the mainline MCU films
    desperately need to start tapping into this setup as soon as possible and establish some long-term stakes here instead of this annoying endless waffling with making multiverse stuff actually stick. I would fucking love to see Thor getting to see his brother reach such a height of determination and self-sacrifice. And now we have a pretty dang interesting potential dichotomy: the variant universes trying to protect Loki and his Yggdrasil versus the variant Kangs, who are now a finite threat since the timelines are no longer multiplying infinitely out of control.

    Oh, and Ke Huy Quan in this series was excellent. More shows need this guy, he's invariably great and I love his delivery of everything.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Bryan rust just scored 2 goals, both in overtime, about 5 seconds apart, to give the penguins the win

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    For the Loom situation
    the Loom is a bomb, it kills all extraneous timelines to the Sacred Timeline. Loki can't stop that, all the timelines are already trapped in the Loom. The Loom isn't meant to stabilize the timelines, it's a trap meant to reset everything if it all goes off the Sacred Timeline.

    So he rips the Loom apart, which causes it to try and kill the timelines. But Loki can now fuck with time so he starts juicing all the existing timelines and collecting them into the Yggdrasil. So there's still a near-fractal multiverse, but seemingly infinite is not infinite.

    Now there is a limited number of timelines doing their own thing and thus a limited number of Kangs that can exist, as opposed to the prior situation where existence was a non-convergent series that inevitably resulted in endless waves of destruction through the multiverse until He Who Remains brought the hammer down and forced everything into the Sacred Timeline. It's a middleground, where the multiverse is still complex but also stable. No pruning has to happen, people still have free will, but reality just seems less inclined to spin off a new reality from every possible outcome.

    If the visuals are any indicator, each of the "vines" is a collection of adjacent realities heading in a common direction instead of splitting apart. Loki collects and invigorates them into Yggdrasil, which is a collection of intertwining close realities that are each their own "Sacred Timeline" but without the fractal infinity problem. Loki scaled the problem back to something that could be handled.

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Holy shit the new mix of Surface Tension from Risk of Rain Returns is incredible

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YCBbw8LaOI

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    For the Loom situation
    the Loom is a bomb, it kills all extraneous timelines to the Sacred Timeline. Loki can't stop that, all the timelines are already trapped in the Loom. The Loom isn't meant to stabilize the timelines, it's a trap meant to reset everything if it all goes off the Sacred Timeline.

    So he rips the Loom apart, which causes it to try and kill the timelines. But Loki can now fuck with time so he starts juicing all the existing timelines and collecting them into the Yggdrasil. So there's still a near-fractal multiverse, but seemingly infinite is not infinite.

    Now there is a limited number of timelines doing their own thing and thus a limited number of Kangs that can exist, as opposed to the prior situation where existence was a non-convergent series that inevitably resulted in endless waves of destruction through the multiverse until He Who Remains brought the hammer down and forced everything into the Sacred Timeline. It's a middleground, where the multiverse is still complex but also stable. No pruning has to happen, people still have free will, but reality just seems less inclined to spin off a new reality from every possible outcome.

    If the visuals are any indicator, each of the "vines" is a collection of adjacent realities heading in a common direction instead of splitting apart. Loki collects and invigorates them into Yggdrasil, which is a collection of intertwining close realities that are each their own "Sacred Timeline" but without the fractal infinity problem. Loki scaled the problem back to something that could be handled.

    This was my take as well.
    If you take for granted the Kang paradox - a choice between He Who Remains with the Sacred Timeline or the Kangpocalypse - then this is basically the only way to solve it. The problem, as the episode put it, was fundamentally one of scale.

    Loki "solved" the Kang paradox by culling infinity to a limited number of timelines. He uses the Loom explosion to kill everything except the Sacred Timeline and then uses his godly powers to keep as many as possible of them alive afterwards. He then recreates the TVA but dedicates them to stopping every Kang in the remaining timelines. It's a pretty utilitarian solution, all things considered. Basically he chooses to kill Hitler, except with multiversal stakes.

    I do think they could've done a better job of explaining the ending, but keeping it metaphorical wasn't a bad way to go.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Oh yeah! Also, when I saw the
    throne I immediately thought, "He's gonna do a 40k God-Emperor thing, isn't he?" And yup, he did. Stuck on the chair forever. RIP.

    Behold Loki, God of Chairs.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    For the Loom situation
    the Loom is a bomb, it kills all extraneous timelines to the Sacred Timeline. Loki can't stop that, all the timelines are already trapped in the Loom. The Loom isn't meant to stabilize the timelines, it's a trap meant to reset everything if it all goes off the Sacred Timeline.

    So he rips the Loom apart, which causes it to try and kill the timelines. But Loki can now fuck with time so he starts juicing all the existing timelines and collecting them into the Yggdrasil. So there's still a near-fractal multiverse, but seemingly infinite is not infinite.

    Now there is a limited number of timelines doing their own thing and thus a limited number of Kangs that can exist, as opposed to the prior situation where existence was a non-convergent series that inevitably resulted in endless waves of destruction through the multiverse until He Who Remains brought the hammer down and forced everything into the Sacred Timeline. It's a middleground, where the multiverse is still complex but also stable. No pruning has to happen, people still have free will, but reality just seems less inclined to spin off a new reality from every possible outcome.

    If the visuals are any indicator, each of the "vines" is a collection of adjacent realities heading in a common direction instead of splitting apart. Loki collects and invigorates them into Yggdrasil, which is a collection of intertwining close realities that are each their own "Sacred Timeline" but without the fractal infinity problem. Loki scaled the problem back to something that could be handled.

    This was my take as well.
    If you take for granted the Kang paradox - a choice between He Who Remains with the Sacred Timeline or the Kangpocalypse - then this is basically the only way to solve it. The problem, as the episode put it, was fundamentally one of scale.

    Loki "solved" the Kang paradox by culling infinity to a limited number of timelines. He uses the Loom explosion to kill everything except the Sacred Timeline and then uses his godly powers to keep as many as possible of them alive afterwards. He then recreates the TVA but dedicates them to stopping every Kang in the remaining timelines. It's a pretty utilitarian solution, all things considered. Basically he chooses to kill Hitler, except with multiversal stakes.

    I do think they could've done a better job of explaining the ending, but keeping it metaphorical wasn't a bad way to go.

    One caveat
    I don't see it as Loki "culling" the timelines. By the events that have happened, there are two mutually exclusive events that can happen. One is that He Who Remains is killed, reality multiplies to fractal infinity, and He Who Remains ends up with the Sacred Timeline situation. The other is to kill Silvie and have Loki take over, still with pruning realities and preventing the split. Without enabling one of these events, the Loom will explode and revert everything. It can't be avoided, it's a time trap set by He Who Remains specifically to force those events so the time-jumping Loki will take over.

    Loki destroys the Loom himself, which I assume weakens what it does since the original all-destroying time wave doesn't happen this time and instead all the existing realities start dying but still exist (plus the TVA still exists). This is where Loki can make his change by grabbing up all existing timelines and sustaining them.

    So it's not Loki culling what he has to, it's him saving everything that can be saved. He Who Remains tried to destroy everything outside the Sacred Timeline, Loki has now prevented that and broken the multiverse out of the Kang paradox.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Lehi, UTRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Oh yeah! Also, when I saw the
    throne I immediately thought, "He's gonna do a 40k God-Emperor thing, isn't he?" And yup, he did. Stuck on the chair forever. RIP.

    Behold Loki, God of Chairs.
    When they showed the look of satisfaction on his face at the end, I believed it.

    He never really wanted to rule, he just wanted to not be alone or fear being alone. He always knew he didn't belong in the family he was raised in, but he knew he was meant for something more.

    Seeing Odin on the throne his whole life for hundreds of years, what else would he imagine that "glorious purpose" would be, other than to rule? And to know the whole time that throne was meant for someone else.

    And to never be the golden child, to not have feasts thrown for him, to not be sent out for grand missions to save the realm. Just behind to learn magic from his mother.

    He was loved but he wasn't able to see it or accept it because no matter how much Odin, Frigga, Thor loved him, he had no real purpose there, but he knew he had one.

    It took literally losing everything to have the clarity to figure it out. And by everything I mean it, to be told that not only are "you" meant to die, you aren't even you, and you don't even get that glory. You shouldn't exist, and for a moment the only place he existed was outside of all space and time. He was nothing to the universe.

    But that allowed him to step outside of the noise of his existence and find himself, and have the chance to find for himself where he actually fit. He found people who cared about him, not because he was family, but because he earned their care, and cared back.

    And in the end, his throne isn't one of power, it's one of service. All of time needed protected from the absolute dictatorship of He Who Remains, and he could provide that protection, without taking away from the limitless possibilities of time, as He Who Remains did.

    He Who Remains removed himself from the timeline, stood outside time and controlled it all, alone. Loki put himself in the middle of all time, not to rule it but to make sure it had a chance to live.

    His choice here was a complete and utter rejection of where he started in the MCU, trying to get people to bow before him because he believed they wanted to be ruled. He now understood that no one should bow before someone who wants to rule, and everyone should be free to at least try to have their own freedom.

    The imagery of the branches of time forming his cloak was awesome.

    I could go on and on.

    I can't imagine a better ending than this. As others have said, it retroactively made Season 1 better, and I already loved Season 1. But it justified the "talky" finale of S1, and more.

    This might be the best thing in the MCU. Amazing music. Amazing acting. Amazing visuals. Amazing production and design and art and everything about it. Nothing was lazy, nothing was minor. Every little piece of junk on every set made everything authentic, visually.

    It's almost a shame fewer people will ever see this than the average MCU stuff. This finale deserved to be in theaters. Everyone involved here deserves to sit up at the top of the MCU throne with the "big hitters" like RDJ, the Russo's, etc. This is proof positive that the problem with the MCU isn't fatigue, it's problems with production.

    I'm sure I'll have more to say, but just A+++ stuff here. If I have one single complaint it is that maybe Hiddleston could have not done the hair flippy thing quite so often. :lol: That's it. No other notes.

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  • LJDouglasLJDouglas Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Loved the finale, I do wonder if the timeline situation will let other Loki variants show up now. One aspect I might have missed but don't think the show answered:
    Did we ever learn the secret Miss Minutes told Renslayer?

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  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    LJDouglas wrote: »
    Loved the finale, I do wonder if the timeline situation will let other Loki variants show up now. One aspect I might have missed but don't think the show answered:
    Did we ever learn the secret Miss Minutes told Renslayer?
    that was the beginning of the episode right after, that she was his commander and he wiped her and all of their memories

    so for based on this finale
    I honestly don't see what the issue is with the current Problem they have with Kang re: his actor. You can treat this as the solution. Loki wrapped this one up, guys, they'll hunt kang variants and it's fine, everything is fine over here. Just move on to Doom or whatever you want and never show him on screen again?

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  • PulpDoggPulpDogg Formerly TheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Well, that was glorious.

    Not entirely sure I fully understood everything and all the implications, even after reading everything here, but overall this was just glorious.

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  • TGalahadTGalahad Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Very good ending.

    Small detail:
    The color of the TVA manual changed, right? From red to yellow? Was it because the world is tinted green due to Loki?
    My wife said it was volume 2 or something, her eyes are better than mine so that’s what I went with.

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  • PulpDoggPulpDogg Formerly TheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    TGalahad wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Very good ending.

    Small detail:
    The color of the TVA manual changed, right? From red to yellow? Was it because the world is tinted green due to Loki?
    My wife said it was volume 2 or something, her eyes are better than mine so that’s what I went with.
    Yeah, it said second edition.

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  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Operation Noelle 2.0 early opinions: Using her with Furina and with using the Marechaussee Hunter set feels good. She's getting good boosts and has no issues keeping up with Furina's health drain, even considering the downtime on her skill. That being said, I really feel like I'm being held back by my lack of Albedo, and only C0 Gorou for that matter. Even at C0, I feel like cutting Gorou would be too much of a loss, especially since geo resonance is so good, and Noelle needs help with energy anyway. Improving the team without just getting more cons for Gorou or picking up Albedo seems difficult.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Ningguang might be helpful for that too then depending on cons, since she has a geo damage buff and really high energy generation iirc.

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    They did it.

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  • tzeentchlingtzeentchling Doctor of Rocks OaklandRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Great ending, solid A all around.
    Loved that they got to go back to the showdown at the end of last season and revise it. The "why don't you ever defend yourself?!" line signalling to HWR that the loop is different this time, and Loki coming back with the same "what makes you think this is the first time we've had this conversation?" to deflate HWR's ego just a bit.

    Also Mobius's line, "Purpose is usually more burden than glory" was a hard hitter. Very much fits in with the themes of sacrificing oneself for others that the MCU is based around.

    Also also the Spongebob-esque "Centuries later..." slide 😄

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