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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    What about Yunjin for the damage buffs?

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  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    What about Yunjin for the damage buffs?

    I've considered her. She's normally not that exciting for Noelle because Noelle's attack speed is so low (barring Yun Jin's C6). But if I want to make a team with just two geo characters, she might be better than Gorou.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Great ending, solid A all around.
    Loved that they got to go back to the showdown at the end of last season and revise it. The "why don't you ever defend yourself?!" line signalling to HWR that the loop is different this time, and Loki coming back with the same "what makes you think this is the first time we've had this conversation?" to deflate HWR's ego just a bit.

    Also Mobius's line, "Purpose is usually more burden than glory" was a hard hitter. Very much fits in with the themes of sacrificing oneself for others that the MCU is based around.

    Also also the Spongebob-esque "Centuries later..." slide 😄

    That one slide justified the entire rest of the episode/series. Old Loki, despite his immortality, was about quick fixes and paths to power. Now, not so much.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    I still feel like the show could've been streamlined quite a bit, but overall the quality was good, so given the alternatives it's a minor complaint.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Oh yeah and costume-wise
    I fucking love the fact that Loki decided he needed the big fucking horns for this particular decision. He may be Loki and he may have come a long way but dammit, if he's going to spend an eternity stuck sitting on a throne then he's going to look magnificent, even if nobody will ever see him.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Oh yeah and costume-wise
    I fucking love the fact that Loki decided he needed the big fucking horns for this particular decision. He may be Loki and he may have come a long way but dammit, if he's going to spend an eternity stuck sitting on a throne then he's going to look magnificent, even if nobody will ever see him.

    I do wonder if Loki
    Will be able to show up for brief periods. He's gotta become friends with the Watcher, right? "Yo W, sit on the throne and watch the multiverse for a sec, I gotta go on a date with Sylvie and give this DVD back to Thor to send back to Netflix."

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  • KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Where does Sylvie end up?

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Kruite wrote: »
    Where does Sylvie end up?

    I assume she lives her chosen boring life.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Kruite wrote: »
    Where does Sylvie end up?
    When Mobius asks her, she just shrugs, implying that she doesn't know. But she probably still has HWR's temp pad, and she's still a god, so she could basically show up anywhere at any time.

    But she probably went back to McDonald's.

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  • BiscuitsBiscuits Bacon Egg and Cheesy Formerly T. Tod EwbackRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    damn that was good.

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    Bless your heart.
  • McRhynoMcRhyno Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I kinda love that they reflected their circular view of time in the episode titles. Both the first episode of season 1 and the final episode of season 2 are titled "Glorious Purpose"

    To paraphrase:
    First as farce, second as tragedy

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  • akTheraakThera akjak Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Trying to settle on a team for Sassy Boots that doesn’t make me feel like spending two minutes after every fight just healing up.

    Jean is apparently the flavor of healer everyone likes, but I’m preferring Baizhu actually. I like applying dendro more than yeeting everyone across the map.

    I gave him Sac Fragments, and even way underlevel with bad artifacts he’s holding his own.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Furina's story quest is pretty good, and her VA is absolutely killing it.

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  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    My ONLY real complaint is that this Loki doesn't really deserve this ending. Unlike the Loki who died to Thanos, he didn't go through all the change to earn his redemption. They try to imply in season 1 he did a lot in that time loop, but they also don't spend any time justifying how long he's in there. So in a variable amount of time that could be anything from days to weeks to millenia, he basically re-earns his redemption arc?

    Any other cast and this might have fallen on it's face, but the chemistry of these folks generally worked.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Hydropolo wrote: »
    My ONLY real complaint is that this Loki doesn't really deserve this ending. Unlike the Loki who died to Thanos, he didn't go through all the change to earn his redemption. They try to imply in season 1 he did a lot in that time loop, but they also don't spend any time justifying how long he's in there. So in a variable amount of time that could be anything from days to weeks to millenia, he basically re-earns his redemption arc?

    Any other cast and this might have fallen on it's face, but the chemistry of these folks generally worked.

    I think the important thing is that he sees all of Prime Loki's redemption in the viewing room and comes to realizes that all his schemes are for naught. He's actively trying to be a better and more thoughtful person from the season 1 finale on.

    The fact that, in the finale
    he spends hundreds of years learning temporal physics to try and save the multiverse
    earns him the ending if nothing else does.

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  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Zek wrote: »
    Hydropolo wrote: »
    My ONLY real complaint is that this Loki doesn't really deserve this ending. Unlike the Loki who died to Thanos, he didn't go through all the change to earn his redemption. They try to imply in season 1 he did a lot in that time loop, but they also don't spend any time justifying how long he's in there. So in a variable amount of time that could be anything from days to weeks to millenia, he basically re-earns his redemption arc?

    Any other cast and this might have fallen on it's face, but the chemistry of these folks generally worked.
    It seems like you're implying that this ending is a good thing he hasn't earned? He sacrificed himself for the greater good, after centuries of hard work. There's nothing good about being trapped at the end of time holding the timelines together.

    Season 1 rushed his redemption via montage as a shortcut for viewers, we just have to accept that that did the trick. He is the same person who did all that, he just didn't personally get to have the experience. But he's been doing good guy stuff non-stop ever since then. Why hasn't he earned redemption?
    What I'm saying is they basically just took Avengers 1 Loki, rushed him back to Infinity War arc point Loki, and then ran from there. It's not something I'm going to get totally hung up on, I just feel like IW Loki had done more of the work to get there. (Loki spending "centuries" learning temporal physics or whatever was already "hero Loki". I'm not upset with it, I enjoyed it. It was just the only nit I had.

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  • Trajan45Trajan45 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Can someone explain something?
    I don't understand why all the timelines kept dying, even after the loom is destroyed. They existed just fine before the loom, that was the point of HTR's creating the TVA, creating the loom, and pruning them. The concern was more Kang's not that they were dying.

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    Can someone explain something?
    I don't understand why all the timelines kept dying, even after the loom is destroyed. They existed just fine before the loom, that was the point of HTR's creating the TVA, creating the loom, and pruning them. The concern was more Kang's not that they were dying.

    That was the loom's doing. That's what it does.
    It's a deadman's switch. If you break it, it kills everything on its way out the door.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    Can someone explain something?
    I don't understand why all the timelines kept dying, even after the loom is destroyed. They existed just fine before the loom, that was the point of HTR's creating the TVA, creating the loom, and pruning them. The concern was more Kang's not that they were dying.

    That was the loom's doing. That's what it does.
    It's a deadman's switch. If you break it, it kills everything on its way out the door.

    HWR is a massive dick and
    it was basically all to fuck with Loki and get him to use timeslipping to save or replace him.

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  • Trajan45Trajan45 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    Can someone explain something?
    I don't understand why all the timelines kept dying, even after the loom is destroyed. They existed just fine before the loom, that was the point of HTR's creating the TVA, creating the loom, and pruning them. The concern was more Kang's not that they were dying.

    That was the loom's doing. That's what it does.
    It's a deadman's switch. If you break it, it kills everything on its way out the door.
    Feels weird that you give Loki super time universe powers and he couldn't just disable the loom/dismantle it vs it explodes and he has to use new "god powers" I guess to heal them.

    I think I agree with the Polygon review. There was potential with this season, but it fell really flat for me.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    Can someone explain something?
    I don't understand why all the timelines kept dying, even after the loom is destroyed. They existed just fine before the loom, that was the point of HTR's creating the TVA, creating the loom, and pruning them. The concern was more Kang's not that they were dying.

    That was the loom's doing. That's what it does.
    It's a deadman's switch. If you break it, it kills everything on its way out the door.
    Feels weird that you give Loki super time universe powers and he couldn't just disable the loom/dismantle it vs it explodes and he has to use new "god powers" I guess to heal them.

    I think I agree with the Polygon review. There was potential with this season, but it fell really flat for me.

    That's fair. I read the Polygon article and it seemed like they wanted Doctor Who. It isn't Doctor Who. Doctor Who can spend whole episodes, or even dozen+ episode seasons, answering questions about characters or phenomena or long-running plots. Loki got 12 episodes total and if you're not down for the streamlined pace, I can see how it might be jarring.

    I was able to accept that Loki internalized his errors (Sif loop), the errors of his prime timeline self, and the many, many failures of his variant bretheren at the end if time. A little narrative shorthand does not bother me.

    Like, I was able to accept, in The Marvels, that
    Carol Danvers gave up decades of solo operations because she got quantum entangled with her niece and biggest fangirl.
    They had a montage, you see.

    So I guess I was once again the mark for one of these shows.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads Dilige, et quod vis facRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Fun little easter egg in ep 5
    Casey's variant is Frank and is escaping Alcatraz in June 1962
    In June 1962, inmates Clarence Anglin, John Anglin, and Frank Morris escaped from Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary, a maximum-security prison located on Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay.[2] Late on the night of June 11 or early morning of June 12, the three men tucked papier-mâché heads resembling their own likenesses into their beds, broke out of the main prison building via ventilation ducts and an unused utility corridor, and departed the island aboard an improvised inflatable raft to an uncertain fate

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    maybe the real panopticon was the friends we made along the way
  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Tox wrote: »
    Fun little easter egg in ep 5
    Casey's variant is Frank and is escaping Alcatraz in June 1962
    In June 1962, inmates Clarence Anglin, John Anglin, and Frank Morris escaped from Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary, a maximum-security prison located on Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay.[2] Late on the night of June 11 or early morning of June 12, the three men tucked papier-mâché heads resembling their own likenesses into their beds, broke out of the main prison building via ventilation ducts and an unused utility corridor, and departed the island aboard an improvised inflatable raft to an uncertain fate

    It's this season's DB Cooper moment.

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  • tzeentchlingtzeentchling Doctor of Rocks OaklandRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Oh yeah and costume-wise
    I fucking love the fact that Loki decided he needed the big fucking horns for this particular decision. He may be Loki and he may have come a long way but dammit, if he's going to spend an eternity stuck sitting on a throne then he's going to look magnificent, even if nobody will ever see him.

    More importantly,
    the big fucking horns aren't just his classic golden ones. They're the same weird material that He Who Remains' control disc is made out of, the dark metal or stone with veins of something coppery or golden running through it. It's another way to show that Loki has incorporated HWR's powers into his own.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Post-strike Tonight Show interview with Tom Hiddleston.

    https://youtu.be/fFRl9sacyEQ?si=3JttlaQalBhgZ2Q7

    No spoilers, just Tom being charming.

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  • WordherderWordherder Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I liked this season quite a bit, but I think it spent way too much time diving into the details of the plot and lore. The first season - well, they didn't quite handwave everything away, but the plot and lore definitely took a backseat to just seeing how groups of characters would react to wild situations.

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  • RatherDashingRatherDashing Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Loki has accomplished something very few of the Disney+ shows have figured out. Not just having a good ending, but also telling an overarching story while making each episode feel like a distinct story.
    The finale had a lot of work to do to get to the finish, but still had it's own groundhog day plot which told a story on its own, while also serving the purpose of getting Loki to where he needed to be emotionally, and giving him a chance to "level up" (it makes sense for him to be an actual god now... he's the most experienced person in the multiverse now, even more than Kang because Kang isn't technically the same person).

    I just gotta gush about the God of Stories ending a bit more...it is the definition of satisfying and it does so much lifting. It eliminates the nigh-omnipotent Loki as a character without having to kill him. It completes his arc of wanting to be a king, understanding what that truly means (all burden, no glory). It's admirable because it's a sacrifice akin to Hollow Knight or Wrath of the Lich King, but not as depressing as either of those because his new existence isn't actually that bad. It's a sacrifice because he didn't want to be alone, but also in a way he's not alone, because he gets to be part of every story now, even if no one knows it. It also solves the Multiverse Problem by giving us a reason to care about the different outcomes while also being able to forget about them if we want. It leaves things open for the Multiverse Saga while still being a good ending of it's own if that Saga winds up being terrible.

    I was also super jazzed to see Yggdrassil because Loki hasn't really felt connected to Norse Mythology since, like, ten minutes into Thor 1. I always thought the "70s, J. Edgar Hoover building" look of the TVA was weird because you'd expect the explanation for that sort of place to be "this is how your human mind is rationalizing this infinite place", but Loki isn't human and that's not a type of location that would mean anything to him. So it would have been cool if the "new TVA" was themed with Asgardian aesthetics, with the staff dressed like Norns or something. But that would've been a bit much. It at least brings Loki back to feeling like a fantasy Viking god while still connecting to the overall themes of the show.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I will also say for the ending that I very much appreciated
    that Loki isn't bitter or unhappy with his choice. It's not where he thought he'd end up, but it's something he chose and he knows it's protecting people he cares about.

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  • KPCKPC Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I think it was a very powerful thematic ending for Loki, a god who never really fit in anywhere and grasped desperately at any kind of purpose, hiding behind a facade of self importance.
    He needed to learn how to understand and love himself (literally!) in order to reach catharsis so that he can find purpose in sacrifice and service to give the people he loves a chance at fighting. That the writers could re-contextualize the phrase of “burdened with glorious purpose” to fit this is a brilliant touch.

    On a story level, this is what happened in the ending: after going through what amounts to centuries of trying to stop the Loom from exploding, through repeated conversations with He Who Remains, Loki is able to figure out that the Loom is a failsafe: when it explodes, it kills every other timeline except for the Sacred Timeline anyway. Thus, Loki chooses a different ending: he explodes the Loom, but grabs as many dying timelines as he can, keeps them alive, and gathers them unto himself into a large World Tree of timelines where he will sit on a throne for the rest of existence, so that the TVA can now track and hunt Kang variants.

    On a storytelling level, the mechanics of “how” aren’t as important if the theme is resolved in a good way, which some folks struggle with because they get caught up in the logic of plot lines, which is why there are constant discussions about quote unquote plot holes and relative character power levels. I think it’s okay to hand wave a bit of logic in stories in cases where it is more thematically appropriate to be a little bit illogical.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Lemme just write this out and see if I have the whole plot squared away here.
    Making the Loom bigger doesn't work, because it's infinite branches and you just can't scale for infinity. Loki lets the Loom explode. All the branches start dying, and if this happens, the whole shebang just resets and we're back to square one with He Who Remains. So Loki starts grabbing as many branches as he can and uses his power to keep them from dying. He sits down on his throne and becomes the All-God of the entire Marvel Universe (though God of Stories does sound cooler). And it all looks like a tree because... Norse imagery. Long live Multiversal Yggdrasil.

    The end result of everything is that there is a multiverse, but also a finite multiverse. In that it exists in as many branches as Loki was able to grab. Any branches he couldn't are dead and gone. That solves the scaling issue. It "solves" the Kang issue only as much as it means there are now a finite amount of him. From an outside narrative standpoint, it means writers can write about any different universe they want, with the reasoning being it's just one of the many branches Loki is holding.

    So effectively what we have created is finite infinity.

    Is that about it?

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    KPC wrote: »
    I think it was a very powerful thematic ending for Loki, a god who never really fit in anywhere and grasped desperately at any kind of purpose, hiding behind a facade of self importance.
    He needed to learn how to understand and love himself (literally!) in order to reach catharsis so that he can find purpose in sacrifice and service to give the people he loves a chance at fighting. That the writers could re-contextualize the phrase of “burdened with glorious purpose” to fit this is a brilliant touch.

    On a story level, this is what happened in the ending: after going through what amounts to centuries of trying to stop the Loom from exploding, through repeated conversations with He Who Remains, Loki is able to figure out that the Loom is a failsafe: when it explodes, it kills every other timeline except for the Sacred Timeline anyway. Thus, Loki chooses a different ending: he explodes the Loom, but grabs as many dying timelines as he can, keeps them alive, and gathers them unto himself into a large World Tree of timelines where he will sit on a throne for the rest of existence, so that the TVA can now track and hunt Kang variants.

    On a storytelling level, the mechanics of “how” aren’t as important if the theme is resolved in a good way, which some folks struggle with because they get caught up in the logic of plot lines, which is why there are constant discussions about quote unquote plot holes and relative character power levels. I think it’s okay to hand wave a bit of logic in stories in cases where it is more thematically appropriate to be a little bit illogical.

    To quote from the show itself because I cannot possibly see this line as being anything but a direct statement about the story, "with science it's all 'what?' and 'how?', with fiction it's 'why?'."

    This is a show messing with time and multiverses using characters from comic books and movies. All that is a framework for the "how?" to give a logical flow of events, but the point is always the why. The technical points of where the show goes literally don't matter, it's the why the show goes where it does that matters.

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  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I will also say for the ending that I very much appreciated
    that Loki isn't bitter or unhappy with his choice. It's not where he thought he'd end up, but it's something he chose and he knows it's protecting people he cares about.
    Even more (I agree with your point) something he chose not only benefitted other people, rather than just himself. But he chose something he didn't feel he "deserved" and for the first time, Loki won. He's always felt he deserved something, and lost, like you said, going back to the meeting of the Loki's at the end of time.



    So here's my other question that I didn't realize was bugging me till now. Sylvie was supposed to be a Loki variant which.. fine... but then her "place" is just working at McDonald's in the 80s?
    I guess my point was, they didn't 100% make it clear whether she just chose to insert herself there and serve burgers and drink whiskey rather than returning to be a Loki variant elsewhere? I don't know, can't frame my thoughts here well, but most of this season she felt more like an impetus for Loki rather than a character with volition of her own. Even Renslayer seemed to be making more of her own choices.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Hydropolo wrote: »
    I will also say for the ending that I very much appreciated
    that Loki isn't bitter or unhappy with his choice. It's not where he thought he'd end up, but it's something he chose and he knows it's protecting people he cares about.
    Even more (I agree with your point) something he chose not only benefitted other people, rather than just himself. But he chose something he didn't feel he "deserved" and for the first time, Loki won. He's always felt he deserved something, and lost, like you said, going back to the meeting of the Loki's at the end of time.



    So here's my other question that I didn't realize was bugging me till now. Sylvie was supposed to be a Loki variant which.. fine... but then her "place" is just working at McDonald's in the 80s?
    I guess my point was, they didn't 100% make it clear whether she just chose to insert herself there and serve burgers and drink whiskey rather than returning to be a Loki variant elsewhere? I don't know, can't frame my thoughts here well, but most of this season she felt more like an impetus for Loki rather than a character with volition of her own. Even Renslayer seemed to be making more of her own choices.

    For Sylvie
    that's not her "place", that's her getting to just... live a life. She knows she's nigh-immortal and eventually she'll have to leave, but her entire life has been spent literally evading the time cops while hiding inside imminent end-of-the-world events. She has never gotten to see normal life for more than a matter of maybe a day or two.

    She's practically immortal so she parks herself at a spot where nothing fucking matters. Screw up an order? Oh well, nobody cares. Late to work? Meh. Seems to me like she's simply... decompressing from living decades or centuries of life on the run. And eventually she'll reach the end of her time there and move on to something else, but the point is she gets to choose where she is and what she's doing.

    Which makes an interesting point against Loki. Younger Loki desperately wanted that throne and would do anything to get it. Sylvie desperately wanted to kill the man on the throne so she could get as far as possible from being obligated to control anything.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Tonight Show interview
    Hydropolo wrote: »
    I will also say for the ending that I very much appreciated
    that Loki isn't bitter or unhappy with his choice. It's not where he thought he'd end up, but it's something he chose and he knows it's protecting people he cares about.
    Even more (I agree with your point) something he chose not only benefitted other people, rather than just himself. But he chose something he didn't feel he "deserved" and for the first time, Loki won. He's always felt he deserved something, and lost, like you said, going back to the meeting of the Loki's at the end of time.



    So here's my other question that I didn't realize was bugging me till now. Sylvie was supposed to be a Loki variant which.. fine... but then her "place" is just working at McDonald's in the 80s?
    I guess my point was, they didn't 100% make it clear whether she just chose to insert herself there and serve burgers and drink whiskey rather than returning to be a Loki variant elsewhere? I don't know, can't frame my thoughts here well, but most of this season she felt more like an impetus for Loki rather than a character with volition of her own. Even Renslayer seemed to be making more of her own choices.

    Sylvie
    Her story isn't done yet. The show leaves some plot threads... let's say "branches" for the tree metaphor... hanging because this is a Marvel joint, after all.

    She chose McDonald's in the 80s because she wanted something that wasn't an apocalypse that she spent her life in previously, hiding from the TVA.

    But when Mobius asks her what's next for her, she shrugs. Maybe she's going back to Micky D's, maybe she'll roam the timelines like Kane in Kung Fu roams the Old West. Maybe she'll go looking for Renslayer at the end of time for revenge or mercy. The point of all of this, and what she wanted all along, was to make her own decisions. And now she can. This was her origin story, but it's not HER story. This show is titled "Loki," and that is a name she has forsaken. "Sylvie" has yet to be written. The God of Stories now makes it possible.

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  • tzeentchlingtzeentchling Doctor of Rocks OaklandRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Lemme just write this out and see if I have the whole plot squared away here.
    Making the Loom bigger doesn't work, because it's infinite branches and you just can't scale for infinity. Loki lets the Loom explode. All the branches start dying, and if this happens, the whole shebang just resets and we're back to square one with He Who Remains. So Loki starts grabbing as many branches as he can and uses his power to keep them from dying. He sits down on his throne and becomes the All-God of the entire Marvel Universe (though God of Stories does sound cooler). And it all looks like a tree because... Norse imagery. Long live Multiversal Yggdrasil.

    The end result of everything is that there is a multiverse, but also a finite multiverse. In that it exists in as many branches as Loki was able to grab. Any branches he couldn't are dead and gone. That solves the scaling issue. It "solves" the Kang issue only as much as it means there are now a finite amount of him. From an outside narrative standpoint, it means writers can write about any different universe they want, with the reasoning being it's just one of the many branches Loki is holding.

    So effectively what we have created is finite infinity.

    Is that about it?

    Minor quibble:
    My reading of the ending is that he pre-emptively destroys the Loom, which is why the giant flash of time-light doesn't sweep through and kill/reset everyone. This allows him to gather the timelines on his own terms. But I could also see if as him simply using his new time powers to blunt the explosion from the Loom when it explodes as expected, so that he's still around to pick up the timelines.

    Anzekay on
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