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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    My experience with magic has always been that for new players doing a first run, they might get through faster with magic because they can just apply the one approach to each boss and wait until the AI capitulates. But I think most people will end up being able to cruise through melee runs faster if they replay the games and get good at them.

    Even for easy Malenia kills, nothing really beats just dodging once and instagibbing each phase with whatever bullshit Ash, though to what extent that counts as melee...

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Faster?

    Sure it can be faster.

    Easier?

    No way I know exactly how melee works. I am the action game man. I know how much effort goes into that.

    Wizards are deeply stress free.

    They are my derpy easy run throughs. Every single game. Every time. I am using way less complex skills, thinking less, and other than very rare occasional tough spots its just easy as fuck.

    You are comparing a highly skilled person to someone who can accomplish something easily with no skill, and trying to declare that the highly skilled person is having an easier run through. This is not how that works.

    And to further rip that apart, if I do learn those skills wizards are literally unstoppable.

    If I am a wizard that can dodge, knows enemy movesets well enough to predict them, I'm a god. Wiards are all about cheap and bullshit so you don't have to dodge, if you can dodge too they have literally no weaknesses.

    Being good at the game accelerates wizard power level so far past melee its like comparing a 3.0 dnd wizard to I don't know. A peasant with a stick.

    I think there's usually a point in 'moderately good' where melee is more consistent.

    If you're moderately good at melee and expect to smash through a boss taking advantage of all sorts of windows and high raw DPS, hitting that fight with magic for the first time at that point can feel really bad. Even quick spells tend to have fewer reliable windows than even the slowest weapons, you're tied to a limited resource, and you can get punished harder by resistances. Since you're investing in raw damage and MP you're probably less sturdy, too, so going for inconsistent windows can lead to easy death. The advantages are less relevant to your experience than the weaknesses at that point.

    Even if you're really good or know magic well enough that the other drawbacks don't affect you, it'll probably be slower by then than high dps melee.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Woah wait. I've never once thought that magic is easier to play than melee. Being a glass cannon in a souls game always gives me anxiety. Someone somewhere will get a cheap shot off and murder my soul.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Theyre always the easier runthroughs for me.
    Always. No exception. I play the strength builds too. I play everything.

    Now faith..thats a mixed bag depending on game.

    But in ER I made one character that could cast every magic int and faith with buffs and gear swapping and that character was absurd.

    Literally never felt so powerful. That one did depend on knowledge of the game. But it was by far the easiest run I've ever had. Anything I had to fight, anything, I had the rock paper scissor counter.

    Yeah you might just be really good at the game and so for you it works. For me it is the hardest playthrough. I couldn't finish it. I can't even imagine the last boss fight. I am not good at dodging so if something looks at me wrong then I'm toast.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Okay well I guess we're fundamentally different people because the game was objectively harder and more stressful for me. Not sure what to tell you lol.

    Conversely with a shield build I just held a button when big swing was happening and I took less damage.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Ah see that's probably the disconnect here. I'm dumber than a bag of rocks.

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  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    My sorc run in DS3 was more of a spellsword sort of thing than a pure caster sort of thing, killed people with a straight sword I'd casted magic weapon on a lot. But I still hit a lot of stuff with soul arrow and its derivates and that still seemed like a good button to me? You click that on something and it'll take big damage.

    I am trying to do something closer to pure caster on my current pyro, and that does feel kinda miserable sometimes, but also like every single cast of great combustion did like a sixth of the abyss watchers' health bar so it's definitely got some stuff going for it.

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    edited April 16
    Yea magic seems to be more down to build.

    Because with a good magic build you are chunking enemies from a distance which seems like would always be easier than needing to be up in an enemies face and probably hitting it more.

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    edited April 16
    Yea magic seems to be more down to build.

    Because with a good magic build you are chunking enemies from a distance which seems like would always be easier than needing to be up in an enemies face and probably hitting it more.

    Incantations have plenty of melee ranged builds.

    And being at a distance in this game is only really effective when you’re fighting things that are pretty easy to begin with. No amount of distance helps you with Crucible Knights or bosses

    I feel like even as melee most of my combat is staying at a distance until a safe moment where I run in and hit things.

    So I'm not sure about that. Sounds like from the position of someone that's already got good reactions and timing it may not be as clear. But as someone who is not... staying out of melee range is the only safe place haha.

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    edited April 14
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  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Similarly, my melee sorceries character, EnergySwordSunday, was probably my favorite ER run. Carian slicer, Carian piercer, and Adula's moonblade might be just the best buttons in the game.

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    It’s so cold…

    It was like 63 degrees out here today

    The trees were trying to bud

    It's gonna fall 30 degrees overnight though so my sinuses are killing me

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  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    edited April 19
    DE: "Hey. Play 30 minutes of Conclave in exchange for this shiny blue potato. We've even made it wintrier, with weapons that puts everyone on an even footing"
    Narrator: "It did not put players on an even footing, strongly favoring people who have been playing lots of conclave because if you do the wrong move you're locked into place for about 2 seconds and you'll be murderfucked"
    Me: "How about no."

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  • DacDac Registered User regular
    edited April 19
    Conclave is such a vestigial organ I bet DE wishes they had just never made it.

    At least they don't waste resources even pretending like they care about it.

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  • dipuc4lifedipuc4life ... In my own HeadRegistered User regular
    edited April 19
    A whole BLUE potato ... eh fuck that. NOPE. I have plenty at home. Not gonna sully my pristine record of never ever playing conclave ever again after my shitty solo outing. What ... they're giving blow jobs with that ... I'll STILL PASS.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Any tips for O&S on DS1? I'm str build. Two handing a +10 claymore. Not many options since I'm basically stuck here until I kill these guys.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Yeah I don't know what that means. I just can't believe they'd put this fight in this game. I dread it every time I want to play this game. It's always a brick wall of unfun.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    I find Ornstein so much easier to fight than Smough, I always go for Smough first. Everything Ornstein does is easy to read so you can just stand under him and go nuts, but even after all this time and so many runs I'm not 100% consistent on Smough. Also better loot.

    Anyway, the cheesy approach to the fight is a nice crossbow with the bolts from the giant.

    You can also try using the crystal halberd the game gave you near the beginning of the zone because it has really high damage until it breaks.

    Ultras and greathammers can also stagger them with R2s pretty well, if you have one (or can use the one hidden in the zone).

    If you have anything that upgrades with Twinkling you can max it out at the giant and have a lot more damage than a +10 normal weapon would give you, too.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Yeah after 30 or so tries. Once or twice getting to phase 2 and also using your tips I was still unsuccessful. I went ahead and cheated and beat them using unlimited health and I'm moving on. That fight desperately needs a summon sign. Especially since Solaire is sitting right near you telling him to summon him to the next fight. It would just take some of the pressure off it. Trying to dodge perfectly away from Ornstein while also avoiding the hulk smash... I just couldn't do it. The first time I did it I'm pretty sure I used the crossbow and sword/shield. The second time I played through the game I stopped on them. My magic user died if anything looked at me funny.

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  • KadithKadith Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Hobnail wrote: »

    This is like 15-20 minutes away from me.

    Doesn't look too different from the other nearby mines from the ground.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    urahonky wrote: »
    Yeah after 30 or so tries. Once or twice getting to phase 2 and also using your tips I was still unsuccessful. I went ahead and cheated and beat them using unlimited health and I'm moving on. That fight desperately needs a summon sign. Especially since Solaire is sitting right near you telling him to summon him to the next fight. It would just take some of the pressure off it. Trying to dodge perfectly away from Ornstein while also avoiding the hulk smash... I just couldn't do it. The first time I did it I'm pretty sure I used the crossbow and sword/shield. The second time I played through the game I stopped on them. My magic user died if anything looked at me funny.

    Solaire is available as a summon sign for the fight.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Kamar wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Yeah after 30 or so tries. Once or twice getting to phase 2 and also using your tips I was still unsuccessful. I went ahead and cheated and beat them using unlimited health and I'm moving on. That fight desperately needs a summon sign. Especially since Solaire is sitting right near you telling him to summon him to the next fight. It would just take some of the pressure off it. Trying to dodge perfectly away from Ornstein while also avoiding the hulk smash... I just couldn't do it. The first time I did it I'm pretty sure I used the crossbow and sword/shield. The second time I played through the game I stopped on them. My magic user died if anything looked at me funny.

    Solaire is available as a summon sign for the fight.

    .... I ran around everywhere in the church looking for it. If I knew he would be available I would have absolutely tried it with him.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    urahonky wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Yeah after 30 or so tries. Once or twice getting to phase 2 and also using your tips I was still unsuccessful. I went ahead and cheated and beat them using unlimited health and I'm moving on. That fight desperately needs a summon sign. Especially since Solaire is sitting right near you telling him to summon him to the next fight. It would just take some of the pressure off it. Trying to dodge perfectly away from Ornstein while also avoiding the hulk smash... I just couldn't do it. The first time I did it I'm pretty sure I used the crossbow and sword/shield. The second time I played through the game I stopped on them. My magic user died if anything looked at me funny.

    Solaire is available as a summon sign for the fight.

    .... I ran around everywhere in the church looking for it. If I knew he would be available I would have absolutely tried it with him.

    I've never used him but wiki says he should be on the stairs near the knight with a bow

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Kamar wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Yeah after 30 or so tries. Once or twice getting to phase 2 and also using your tips I was still unsuccessful. I went ahead and cheated and beat them using unlimited health and I'm moving on. That fight desperately needs a summon sign. Especially since Solaire is sitting right near you telling him to summon him to the next fight. It would just take some of the pressure off it. Trying to dodge perfectly away from Ornstein while also avoiding the hulk smash... I just couldn't do it. The first time I did it I'm pretty sure I used the crossbow and sword/shield. The second time I played through the game I stopped on them. My magic user died if anything looked at me funny.

    Solaire is available as a summon sign for the fight.

    .... I ran around everywhere in the church looking for it. If I knew he would be available I would have absolutely tried it with him.

    I've never used him but wiki says he should be on the stairs near the knight with a bow

    Fuck. See this is what I've been saying. I'm dumb as shit. The only way I can be successful in these games is to get a sword and shield and max vitality and tank everything. I love these games but I sure suck at them.

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  • McMoogleMcMoogle Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    The O&S fight literally made me rage quit for a solid 6 months. It is not a good fight given its location locks you to beat it.

    Re: Might vs Magic. That's why I liked pyromancers, axe in one hand, fire in the other. It's the best if both worlds. Like heating up ice cubes.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    I think I just need to buckle down and use a guide to find a new weapon. I keep floating towards the Claymore because I just love those things. But I do have a Zweihänder so maybe that would be a better choice.

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited April 19
    Ooooph, conclave mods

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Reynolds wrote: »
    The Zwei is great, but it won't do the main thing it does on those two, unfortunately. A spear is a good option too, poke with your shield up and then get out of there.

    Zweihander will stagger either of them with its R2, they have 90 and 110 poise respectively and it does 75+50 with the direct hit+area. Also it kills them real quick.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    If you decide to go for Raiden, Chevreuse is also on that banner and she sounds like a good pair up for Yoimiya and Yanfei.

    Though aiming for 4*s is always frought.

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  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Honestly the duo fight is way harder than either phase 2, or at least way more capable of just fucking you with bad AI patterns. So I'd say if you don't care about which rewards you get, just kill first whichever one is easier for you.

    For me I think I find Ornstein easier to kill first. You can exploit his zoomies, as people have mentioned before, but there's also just the fact that if you're trying to kill Smough first, Ornstein is really good at showing up and poking you from obnoxious angles. If he uses one of his longer-reaching thrusts he can even stand behind Smough and hit you through him. Smough's a lot less subtle. You still gotta pay attention to both of them either way, but it's a lot harder to miss him coming for you.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    I hate the fight, multibosses are a blight. I'll go in there and burn all my humanity and a full 15 flasks cowarding it out through the first phase if it means I don't have to do it again. If I'm doing a run with a bad weapon for the fight it's one of the few where I'll just use something better from the area, like that halberd or the occult club or the dragon tooth, or something similar to the weapon I'm using but Twinkling Titanite so I can get my damage higher.

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  • ThreeveThreeve They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    edited April 16
    urahonky wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Yeah after 30 or so tries. Once or twice getting to phase 2 and also using your tips I was still unsuccessful. I went ahead and cheated and beat them using unlimited health and I'm moving on. That fight desperately needs a summon sign. Especially since Solaire is sitting right near you telling him to summon him to the next fight. It would just take some of the pressure off it. Trying to dodge perfectly away from Ornstein while also avoiding the hulk smash... I just couldn't do it. The first time I did it I'm pretty sure I used the crossbow and sword/shield. The second time I played through the game I stopped on them. My magic user died if anything looked at me funny.

    Solaire is available as a summon sign for the fight.

    .... I ran around everywhere in the church looking for it. If I knew he would be available I would have absolutely tried it with him.

    I've never used him but wiki says he should be on the stairs near the knight with a bow

    Fuck. See this is what I've been saying. I'm dumb as shit. The only way I can be successful in these games is to get a sword and shield and max vitality and tank everything. I love these games but I sure suck at them.

    I am pretty sure this how like 90% of people play souls games. People doing the level 1 no-hits no upgrades -type runs are the exception. And also insane.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    O&S were difficult when I first fought them, but subsequent runs with various builds were much easier. I'd always bait Ornstein far away from Smough and kill him first, since Smough didn't have any gap closing moves to stop me from murdering his buddy. After that it was just fighting empowered Smough and that was simple enough.

    I think that going the other way, killing Smough to make empowered Ornstein, is the hard mode of the fight since he's still just as agile with increased size and reach.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah she's weirdly designed for specific Overload teams.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    And then I forgot about the four kings. Ugh.

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