[Trump Presidency] 2.0: You Can (Not) Egg Vance

nexuscrawler

60% of those parts the uaw workers are putting together came from Canada or Mexico

Raise the cost of parts you raise the cost of cars

Guess what now they need less workers because less people are buying new cars

shryke

Butters wrote: »

This doesn't excuse supporting regressive tariffs, but the UAW likes when foreign car companies get fucked over because the ones that set up shop here largely did so in the South to keep unions out.

And they are full of shit there too because those jobs will not be impacted by this but unionized jobs in places like Canada will.

There's no excuses for this shit. It's a union siding with a union-hating, union-busting billionaire felon pushing union-job-destroying and economy-destroying (both foreign and domestic) policy. And that's not even touching on the non-economic aspects here.

Phyphor

shryke wrote: »

Captain Inertia wrote: »

The problem everyone keeps having is they fool themselves into thinking Trump nreally is trying to on-shore manufacturing when not only is it obvious it’s this:

shryke wrote: »

Trump views tariffs as a secret weapon to bully other nations because he understands the world as a protection racket run by a couple of Great Powers run by authoritarians like him. Having countries organize against his rightful place at the top of the chain is wrong.

He keeps explicitly saying it’s this

Trump paraphrased wrote:

I view tariffs as a secret weapon to bully other nations because the world as a protection racket run by a couple of Great Powers run by my idols. Having countries organize against my rightful place at the top of the chain is wrong.

The fun thing is that even if you take Trump at his word, his plan makes no sense. Because on-shoring manufacturing would kill all the tariff revenue he's saying the US will be leaning on.

It's not possible to achieve multiple goals with One Simple Trick

You can't raise revenue if you keep the tariffs & onshore production
You can't get concessions if you keep the tariffs
You can't onshore production or raise revenue if you drop the tariffs

shryke

Phyphor wrote: »

shryke wrote: »

Captain Inertia wrote: »

The problem everyone keeps having is they fool themselves into thinking Trump nreally is trying to on-shore manufacturing when not only is it obvious it’s this:

shryke wrote: »

Trump views tariffs as a secret weapon to bully other nations because he understands the world as a protection racket run by a couple of Great Powers run by authoritarians like him. Having countries organize against his rightful place at the top of the chain is wrong.

He keeps explicitly saying it’s this

Trump paraphrased wrote:

I view tariffs as a secret weapon to bully other nations because the world as a protection racket run by a couple of Great Powers run by my idols. Having countries organize against my rightful place at the top of the chain is wrong.

The fun thing is that even if you take Trump at his word, his plan makes no sense. Because on-shoring manufacturing would kill all the tariff revenue he's saying the US will be leaning on.

It's not possible to achieve multiple goals with One Simple Trick

You can't raise revenue if you keep the tariffs & onshore production
You can't get concessions if you keep the tariffs
You can't onshore production or raise revenue if you drop the tariffs

Also just hanging over this is that you can't make them onshore production if you are constantly changing your mind. A chaotic environment like Trump creates is not going to lead to investments because no one can predict the future.

Honestly, even if he wasn't so chaotic it still wouldn't work because I don't think anyone in the business world right now expects these tariffs to last past the end of his term.

Butters

proxy_hue wrote: »

mrondeau wrote: »

shryke wrote: »

Oh hey, look, it's unions being stupid and protectionist again:
https://uaw.org/tariffs-mark-beginning-of-victory-for-autoworkers/

In a Victory for Autoworkers, Auto Tariffs Mark the Beginning of the End of NAFTA and the “Free Trade” Disaster

From the UAW.

We saw this last time with Trump's tariffs too. Lots of praise from the unions and industries that will (or think they will) benefit from the tariffs and no concern for who else it fucks over. Though this time it's maybe even stupider because there's no way this doesn't also directly fuck over the UAW.

Nothing says class solidarity like being offended by the very concept of foreigners having some quality of life and being more than an expendable tool for US workers.

I don't really agree with them helping the appearance of the Trump admin, but the actual statement is explicitly about wanting to renegotiate NAFTA and other similar agreements in order to ensure there are better conditions and minimum wage assurances across borders, so companies can't do easily outsource jobs to places that allow for greater exploitation and contribute to a general race to the bottom for labor.

Every time an autoworker dares to ask for fair pay, a decent retirement, healthcare, or work-life balance, the automakers threaten their job by exploiting a broken trade system that is set up to intimidate and threaten workers on both sides of the border.

The UAW has encouraged the Trump administration to take clear, aggressive action to bring back good, union auto jobs. We are heartened by the significant measures they have announced today, and we urge the administration to take similar action to protect and reshore the heavy truck sector. Beyond tariffs, a continued, dramatic shift in our country’s trade agreements and economic policies will be necessary to end the free trade disaster.

The next step is to immediately begin renegotiation of the US-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), which has only perpetuated NAFTA’s harmful effects by increasing the trade deficit with Mexico and allowing automakers to offshore U.S. jobs and drive a race to the bottom.

In a new trade deal, autoworkers have some simple demands:

* A significant number of cars that are sold in the U.S. should be made in the U.S., with strong wages and good working conditions like those that generations of UAW autoworkers have fought and died for.
* Companies must not be allowed to close factories and ship jobs to high-exploitation, low-wage countries, and to pad already-massive profits by driving a race to the bottom among autoworkers. This includes a North American minimum wage to significantly raise pay and benefits for Mexican autoworkers, along with stronger protections for labor rights and penalties for offshoring, so that workers are no longer forced to compete with one another over crumbs while the automakers walk away with a bigger and bigger slice of the pie.
* Fix the auto parts supply chain, following the same principles: fair wages and benefits for all, and an increase in American-made parts for American-assembled and American-sold vehicles.

Trump was elected to fix NAFTA and then gets reelected to fix what he made far worse?