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I’m sure Zon has a response for you, and I’m not intending to speak for him, but as I was involved in this as well, I figure I can probably get most of the way to what I can imagine his answer would be and save everyone a little time.
The simple answer here is that at that time (which is several months ago at this point, mind you) there was no process. I think there were understandable reasons for what happened—which I’m not going to spend time relitigating now—but we probably agree that with the benefit of hindsight, the process of it could have been handled better. Of course, a lot of things that had gotten really bad over the last few years here could have been handled better. But I can at least admit where we made a misstep and commit to doing better going forward, and I’m confident Zon probably feels the same way. We’re imperfect, and went into an extremely difficult process with good intentions. We made some good decisions, and we made some mistakes — we’ll probably make more — but I don’t think you can accuse anyone on the TT of not learning important lessons along the way here.
To that end, if you’ve been paying attention at all, you’ll have seen that we’ve made every effort possible to make this whole thing a collaborative, equitable process for everyone to participate in and have their voice heard. We’ve committed to putting power over sweeping, community-impacting decisions into the hands of the community and their elected representatives, and we’ve gone so far as to not just promise that, but to write it into our bylaws at the foundation of this new company (still in process, of course, but chugging along).
Honestly, I don’t think Zon even needs to ask you to trust the process. 3 months ago? Sure. No one really knew for sure exactly how this ship was going to sail. But now? Most of the way there with the majority of the broad strokes already worked out? You can see the process happening in real time, and you can witness how much of it is being entrusted to this community. No faith is required for what you can see and touch yourself.
I was in vocal disagreement with the decision that was made around that thread. It’s all there for anyone who wants to look. And I was involved in writing the rules and the Values/CoC, and I definitely kept this and other similar past events in mind when trying to help reflect the new way we want to do things at CoRe… by learning from earlier missteps. That meant writing rules that either give recourse in the event of a future misstep of this type, or rules (in conjunction with the CoC and governance KDs) that block the issue from becoming an issue in the first place.
Edited for run-on sentences.
We had, I think, an amazingly diverse set of views on all the major happenings on the forum for the rules subcommittee. I have seen similar in the governance stuff as well. I know it sucks to have some things happen behind the scenes. I just want to offer that people are advocating hard for the best solution we can come to with the widest range of people.
Go to the New PM page (https://forums.penny-arcade.com/messages/add ) and type in the name of the person you want to send a message to--it should auto-complete in your options once you start typing.
Huh. This didn't work for me yesterday for some reason. Working as expected now.
I made the bad assumption it was a vanilla problem rather than user error on my part. My apologies
It's fair to criticize that, but we should also recognize the TT owned that mistake and now we have not only that experience to draw on but also better guidance on how to handle things better next time.