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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    My understanding is that production typically starts a year or so out in advance with planning/scripting/storyboarding etc, and then each individual episode is a 3-4 week affair of animation/voice overs/post production. More involved episodes take longer (duh), and any redraws/rewrites/schedule fuck ups can send things spiraling out of control.

    So basically depending on how little lead time there is/how fucked the schedule gets, it is not at all uncommon for episodes to be delivered the week or even actual day they are supposed to air.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    This isn't new, either. Remember those recaps that used to be everywhere? Animators work in teams, and if one team finished late, it could mean they would struggle to make the next episode they were scheduled to make. The recap episodes were a "we didn't make it". It was to give them time to catch up. And they used to be everywhere, all the time. Now they're a bit rarer, probably because lots more anime are short cour so it's a bit easier to finish without it all collapsing.

    Pretty much every single time you've seen a recap episode it was the team behind the next episode not making it in time.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    The fact of the matter is, the way the Anime and Manga industries work is completely fucking insane and has been since it’s INCEPTION. It needs to be burnt to the ground.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I do not have x and cannot read threads.

    here ya go: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1724836076198433177.html

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    This isn't new, either. Remember those recaps that used to be everywhere? Animators work in teams, and if one team finished late, it could mean they would struggle to make the next episode they were scheduled to make. The recap episodes were a "we didn't make it". It was to give them time to catch up. And they used to be everywhere, all the time. Now they're a bit rarer, probably because lots more anime are short cour so it's a bit easier to finish without it all collapsing.

    Pretty much every single time you've seen a recap episode it was the team behind the next episode not making it in time.

    Shaft in particular used to be infamous for episodes having "to be finished" cards in completely random spots. Moon Phase in particular had scenes during almost every episode of its airing where the screen just went completely black for no discernable reason.

    They also used to do major touchup and occasionally total redraws between broadcast and DVDs which have fallen out of favor with more digital based and streaming. There used to be entire sites dedicated just to tracking and highlighting these changes.

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  • DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    alright i watched castlevania nocturne

    I feel like at some point in development this series had a little more going on, ideas-wise, and then somebody high up the ladder got real grumpy about the French and Haitian revolution stuff so instead of Marie Antoinette, vampire, Elizabeth Bathory is here and so on. There's definitely a few thoughts its probably better they didn't finish, but it's weird that they left the start in, y'know?

    Anyways they really do gotta hire a writer who has been to sunday school once if they're gonna keep dragging faith into these, i remember back in season three one of the villains basically went "rrrrrrrriddle me this, Belmont: if god exists, why do bad things happen to good people???" and it hasn't really improved since

    To be fair, some of the best stuff in S1 revolved around the church being scumbags.
    yeah, but that wrapped up in three episodes and they were there to kick things off and promptly get torn into a red mist

    making them more central to the plot means they've gotta hold up to slightly more scrutiny

    (nocturne)
    of course, this series is playing with the historical ties between the church and crown, and what actually happened to those institutions during the French Revolution. But the metaphor is just find/replace "nobility" with "vampires" and i don't think it works, because the vampires are actively trying to replace the church with a new god? Like there's no mutually beneficial relationship here, they are just going to eat these guys, and the abbott's like "doing it all for you JC! time to feed my hell machine i got by making a deal with hell!" and i'm just not sure how he's self-justifying squaring this circle

    Nocturne
    I was under the impression that was intentional. The abbot did NOT think his plan through because he was consumed with stopping the revolution. IIRC, he even gets called out on this, saying how shortsighted his plan is. I was also under the impression he wasn't representative of the whole church, more like an extremist, but I don't have anything to back that up beyond it being my take.
    more castlevania nocturne
    yeah i guess i just don't get how you get so ride or die for the monarchy in a setting where the monarchy are Oops! All Vampires! and are actively trying to install a new god and overthrow your god. Like historically the church and monarchy were pretty co-dependent in France but here they've got actively opposed goals! Extremely opposed goals, even!

    I would definitely agree he's supposed to be a weird outlier but I think I would honestly prefer the version where we get a story more involved with the revolution.

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  • The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Wait

    They're completing episodes hours before airing??????

    What the fuck????

    The literal reason EVA had so many extra although it was complete imo on release

    And yeah Japanese corporate is alive and well one manga and anime always has been

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Wait

    They're completing episodes hours before airing??????

    What the fuck????

    It's been that way since forever, too.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    alright i watched castlevania nocturne

    I feel like at some point in development this series had a little more going on, ideas-wise, and then somebody high up the ladder got real grumpy about the French and Haitian revolution stuff so instead of Marie Antoinette, vampire, Elizabeth Bathory is here and so on. There's definitely a few thoughts its probably better they didn't finish, but it's weird that they left the start in, y'know?

    Anyways they really do gotta hire a writer who has been to sunday school once if they're gonna keep dragging faith into these, i remember back in season three one of the villains basically went "rrrrrrrriddle me this, Belmont: if god exists, why do bad things happen to good people???" and it hasn't really improved since

    Presenting Castlevania Nocturne’s newest cast member, a temporally displaced René Descartes.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oghulk wrote: »
    So how actually does the animation stuff work? Like I kinda thought it was similar to television where it's produced during the off-season and then airs during its season on a weekly stretch just cause.

    In a sensible system, sure

    In the grind that is the anime industry? Oh god no it is completely common to be finishing episodes not far out from the deadline to get that shit to the broadcaster to be aired. Like maybe not always “a few hours before airtime” bad, but there’s a reason that, say, the NieR anime kept taking time off during its run despite only being two cours: as the crew got hit with illness in the studio (I think it was theorized to be COVID spreading around over and over), that meant they couldn’t get the episodes done in time for airing without those multi-week long hiatuses.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    alright i watched castlevania nocturne

    I feel like at some point in development this series had a little more going on, ideas-wise, and then somebody high up the ladder got real grumpy about the French and Haitian revolution stuff so instead of Marie Antoinette, vampire, Elizabeth Bathory is here and so on. There's definitely a few thoughts its probably better they didn't finish, but it's weird that they left the start in, y'know?

    Anyways they really do gotta hire a writer who has been to sunday school once if they're gonna keep dragging faith into these, i remember back in season three one of the villains basically went "rrrrrrrriddle me this, Belmont: if god exists, why do bad things happen to good people???" and it hasn't really improved since

    To be fair, some of the best stuff in S1 revolved around the church being scumbags.
    yeah, but that wrapped up in three episodes and they were there to kick things off and promptly get torn into a red mist

    making them more central to the plot means they've gotta hold up to slightly more scrutiny

    (nocturne)
    of course, this series is playing with the historical ties between the church and crown, and what actually happened to those institutions during the French Revolution. But the metaphor is just find/replace "nobility" with "vampires" and i don't think it works, because the vampires are actively trying to replace the church with a new god? Like there's no mutually beneficial relationship here, they are just going to eat these guys, and the abbott's like "doing it all for you JC! time to feed my hell machine i got by making a deal with hell!" and i'm just not sure how he's self-justifying squaring this circle

    Nocturne
    I was under the impression that was intentional. The abbot did NOT think his plan through because he was consumed with stopping the revolution. IIRC, he even gets called out on this, saying how shortsighted his plan is. I was also under the impression he wasn't representative of the whole church, more like an extremist, but I don't have anything to back that up beyond it being my take.
    more castlevania nocturne
    yeah i guess i just don't get how you get so ride or die for the monarchy in a setting where the monarchy are Oops! All Vampires! and are actively trying to install a new god and overthrow your god. Like historically the church and monarchy were pretty co-dependent in France but here they've got actively opposed goals! Extremely opposed goals, even!

    I would definitely agree he's supposed to be a weird outlier but I think I would honestly prefer the version where we get a story more involved with the revolution.

    Joke based on above spoilers
    Vampires and Nobility, you say?
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  • SixshotStrikerSixshotStriker Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    alright i watched castlevania nocturne

    I feel like at some point in development this series had a little more going on, ideas-wise, and then somebody high up the ladder got real grumpy about the French and Haitian revolution stuff so instead of Marie Antoinette, vampire, Elizabeth Bathory is here and so on. There's definitely a few thoughts its probably better they didn't finish, but it's weird that they left the start in, y'know?

    Anyways they really do gotta hire a writer who has been to sunday school once if they're gonna keep dragging faith into these, i remember back in season three one of the villains basically went "rrrrrrrriddle me this, Belmont: if god exists, why do bad things happen to good people???" and it hasn't really improved since

    To be fair, some of the best stuff in S1 revolved around the church being scumbags.
    yeah, but that wrapped up in three episodes and they were there to kick things off and promptly get torn into a red mist

    making them more central to the plot means they've gotta hold up to slightly more scrutiny

    (nocturne)
    of course, this series is playing with the historical ties between the church and crown, and what actually happened to those institutions during the French Revolution. But the metaphor is just find/replace "nobility" with "vampires" and i don't think it works, because the vampires are actively trying to replace the church with a new god? Like there's no mutually beneficial relationship here, they are just going to eat these guys, and the abbott's like "doing it all for you JC! time to feed my hell machine i got by making a deal with hell!" and i'm just not sure how he's self-justifying squaring this circle

    Nocturne
    I was under the impression that was intentional. The abbot did NOT think his plan through because he was consumed with stopping the revolution. IIRC, he even gets called out on this, saying how shortsighted his plan is. I was also under the impression he wasn't representative of the whole church, more like an extremist, but I don't have anything to back that up beyond it being my take.
    more castlevania nocturne
    yeah i guess i just don't get how you get so ride or die for the monarchy in a setting where the monarchy are Oops! All Vampires! and are actively trying to install a new god and overthrow your god. Like historically the church and monarchy were pretty co-dependent in France but here they've got actively opposed goals! Extremely opposed goals, even!

    I would definitely agree he's supposed to be a weird outlier but I think I would honestly prefer the version where we get a story more involved with the revolution.

    Still Nocturne
    Pretty sure the abbot was convinced he could get the upper hand and betray the vampires after they had crushed the revolution. It was only after he met Ersebet that he began to grasp how in-over-his-head he was. BTW Not every noble was a vampire. Olrox fed on a random noble and was reprimanded by Drolta. She gave a quick line about how they weren't/couldn't do that until after the plan to blot out the sun.

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  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    edited April 13
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  • arthurinscalesarthurinscales Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    So how actually does the animation stuff work? Like I kinda thought it was similar to television where it's produced during the off-season and then airs during its season on a weekly stretch just cause.

    In a sensible system, sure

    In the grind that is the anime industry? Oh god no it is completely common to be finishing episodes not far out from the deadline to get that shit to the broadcaster to be aired. Like maybe not always “a few hours before airtime” bad, but there’s a reason that, say, the NieR anime kept taking time off during its run despite only being two cours: as the crew got hit with illness in the studio (I think it was theorized to be COVID spreading around over and over), that meant they couldn’t get the episodes done in time for airing without those multi-week long hiatuses.

    i'm reminded of the paranoia agent episode where the folks involved in animating a show were literally dying to get the show done in time, and that was almost 20 years ago, now

    industry hasn't improved since then, huh

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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Shirobako is a pretty good look at the process, but it's also a bit... sanitized? Idealized? The industry's cultural issues aren't really on display.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    shirobako is cutesy propaganda how it's tough but all worth it in the end yes

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  • neverreallyneverreally Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Have y'all been watching Pluto? I just binged a few episodes and it's amazing.

    The first episode with North Two had me tearing up.

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  • AstharielAsthariel The Book Eater Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Pluto is one of the shows that I will definitely watch... someday.

    From the same author, I watched Monster literally half my life ago, and it was very good.

    I also ready 20th Century Boys, and it was... eeeeeeeh... amazing at first (like, maybe the BEST MANGA EVER!?!?!?!), and then really went downhill the closer it was getting to the ending.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Shirobako is making anime is tough but it will work out if you love making anime enough. Try reading Animeta! it's manga made by a former animator and is more this is not ok. Like imagine showing up to a job interview being asked if your parents will finically support you so you don't starve.

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  • WearingGlassesWearingGlasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I now feel like, for most of Urasawa's works, his start is way better than his endings. And I also loved 20th Century Boys at first, too.

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  • neverreallyneverreally Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Pluto is especially rad because these are hour long episodes.

    Urasawa isn't perfect and i agree his endings aren't always as gripping as the beginnings, but he's so good at true feeling human emotion.

    I wish Pluto had an opening like Monster. Such a great op.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 13
    So I had seen a lot of discussion about Frieren online. Both here and elsewhere. So I decided to start watching it. Dubbed because I'm watching it while I work and idk I like dubs for pure fantasy genres.

    Anyway this show is immediately very different from how the internet made me expect it to be (I'd mostly seen discourse/praise for all the fighting etc) and I greatly enjoy it. I'm actually kinda not looking forward to it getting focused on battles and conflict, if that's what happens, because this Kino's Journey type pace and feel is exactly my jam.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    The battles aren't really a super focus or anything

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 13
    The battles aren't really a super focus or anything

    That is good to hear! I finished episode 3 just earlier and was rather pleased with how they handled the one piece of direct conflict.

    Think I will be adding this to the list of anime to watch with my Dad.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    The battles are just one type of conflict. There are many in that show. It never overwhelms.

    Its just if you have a lot of conflicts sometimes you gotta fight somebody. That be how it is.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 13
    The battles are just one type of conflict. There are many in that show. It never overwhelms.

    Its just if you have a lot of conflicts sometimes you gotta fight somebody. That be how it is.

    I mean... yes.

    I'm just talking about my expectations based on what I had seen/heard about the show beforehand. Lotta folks talking up all the fighting, which made it seem like there would be a lot of it. I am pleasantly surprised that is not the case.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    That's funny, I thought most of the praise I saw for Frieren was about how it will make you cry.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Friern gets a lot of attention for how it handles it's demons, which is very different to a lot of media. Demons are also the major driver of outright conflict in the series, and some of the moments are pretty spectacular, so that gets commented more on than the more philosophical elements (such as it being hard to label demons as evil so much as completely and utterly alien to human morality)

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
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    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Shirobako is making anime is tough but it will work out if you love making anime enough. Try reading Animeta! it's manga made by a former animator and is more this is not ok. Like imagine showing up to a job interview being asked if your parents will finically support you so you don't starve.

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    Yeah. There's a lot about Shirobako that is super toxic that it shares with idol shows. They're massive propoganda for a hugely exploitive industry that refuses to confront or even acknowledge its problems. Everybody in it is brimming with passion. If you're passionate enough, things will work out and you will be universally acclaimed. If things don't work out, you just didn't believe hard enough or try hard enough. Try harder. Work is everything. This is your dream, isn't it? People who treat this as a job or not the MOST IMPORTANT THING DEFINING YOUR ENTIRE WORLD lack passion, and ruin it for everybody else.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 13
    That's funny, I thought most of the praise I saw for Frieren was about how it will make you cry.

    nnnot my experience elsewhere on the internet! as for here, I've not looked inside spoiler tags.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Eminence in Shadow S2E7:
    The cast is just absolutely killing it with their performance, leading me to a complex multi-faceted emotional response. My brain knows everything that's happening is a big misunderstanding, and understands the whole scenario as hilarious. Yukime plus the Seven Shadow's VAs gave an absolutely killer performance, such that my heart could feel the sincerity of their characters, even while my brain is over here telling me "wait, no, this whole thing is a farce." Alpha and co. moving from absolute despair to total relief upon realizing "they haven't been abandoned," as well as Yukime mistaking John Smith's motivation, were both grade A performances.

    The writing is really very good all around.

    More broadly, I'm worried about the pacing a bit. Last season they had 20 episodes, and adapted two volumes in episodes 2-20. (the 1st episode was a stand alone story). This season they adapted the 3rd volume in 7 episodes, but only have 5 left. I'm wondering if they'll only adapt the first half of the 4th volume in the last 5 episodes, and leave the rest of volume 4, as well as the 5th and possibly 6th volumes for a theoretical 3rd season. The 6th volume just came out, so the author is pretty much tapped for content as of now.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Anzekay wrote: »
    The battles are just one type of conflict. There are many in that show. It never overwhelms.

    Its just if you have a lot of conflicts sometimes you gotta fight somebody. That be how it is.

    I mean... yes.

    I'm just talking about my expectations based on what I had seen/heard about the show beforehand. Lotta folks talking up all the fighting, which made it seem like there would be a lot of it. I am pleasantly surprised that is not the case.

    I was talking about the shows vibe there, not a general thing about anime shows or anything. If there's a fight its necessary.

    You probably heard a lot about the fights cos what is there is beautifully animated and paced, with real emotion and stakes, rather than because it is a fighting show in particular.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Wait

    They're completing episodes hours before airing??????

    What the fuck????

    That part at least is not unique to Mappa. Mappa is just worse.

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Wait

    They're completing episodes hours before airing??????

    What the fuck????

    That part in the last episode of Shirobako where a staffer has to drive like crazy to get the episode materials over to the TV station in time for the broadcast wasn't just made up out of nothing.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    A much more cynical take on anime production is Girlish Number. It's also pretty hilarious.

    The studio heads are just like hey lets make some o' that "light novel" anime, the kids all love that shit apparently.
    The main character is a voice actress who can't act, but she thinks that's fine because she's cute.
    The other voice actresses are pretty much just there for the check or to build up their resume and know their show sucks.
    The whole production strategy is pretty much just get cute voice actresses so they can make some money doing signing events and put bikini pictures into the bluray extras.

    Every now and then we see the actual animation director, who's always still at his desk working himself to the bone, all to push out a show that's cynical garbage that nobody likes.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    I'm really not feeling I'm In Love With The Villainess so far. Rae isn't being cute, she's being a harassing stalker.

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