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  • GlaziusGlazius Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Eminence in Shadow S2E7:
    The cast is just absolutely killing it with their performance, leading me to a complex multi-faceted emotional response. My brain knows everything that's happening is a big misunderstanding, and understands the whole scenario as hilarious. Yukime plus the Seven Shadow's VAs gave an absolutely killer performance, such that my heart could feel the sincerity of their characters, even while my brain is over here telling me "wait, no, this whole thing is a farce." Alpha and co. moving from absolute despair to total relief upon realizing "they haven't been abandoned," as well as Yukime mistaking John Smith's motivation, were both grade A performances.

    The writing is really very good all around.

    More broadly, I'm worried about the pacing a bit. Last season they had 20 episodes, and adapted two volumes in episodes 2-20. (the 1st episode was a stand alone story). This season they adapted the 3rd volume in 7 episodes, but only have 5 left. I'm wondering if they'll only adapt the first half of the 4th volume in the last 5 episodes, and leave the rest of volume 4, as well as the 5th and possibly 6th volumes for a theoretical 3rd season. The 6th volume just came out, so the author is pretty much tapped for content as of now.

    My guess as far as the pacing goes is
    that they'll do the entire Black Rose arc in the rest of season 2, close it out with Cid vs. Ragnarok and/or Mordred, and tease Season 3 and Fallen Messiah with a return to the original viewpoint character.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Skeith wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    TANUKI OF CONVERSATION PURIFICATION

    I have something for that.

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    I still love the contrast between the more anime/manga Suletta and the very painterly style tanuki squad in this piece

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Man it's wild how much stuff I want to watch lately. Tonight I watched Spy x Family episode 7, Apothecary Diaries episode 7, Scott Pilgrim episode 3, and started the first episode of Blue Eye Samurai.

    This season is a bloodbath. SxF, JJK, MF Ghost, Pluto, Scott Pilgrim, BES, Frieren...

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    If you're not watching Apothecary Diaries you're missing out, it's been real good so far. Highlight of the week. And Faraway Paladin's second seasons is great as well - real shame that there's apperntly only 1 more book after the rust mountain arc (Apperntly the writer's been struggling? which i hope things come right for em)

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    I finished Pluto.

    We were talking about how Urasawa doesn't stick the landing BUT THIS STUCK THE LANDING!!!!

    The first episode is still my fav but I loved every single episode. Ya'll. Go watch. 8 episodes and done. Best adult anime I've seen in a long time.

    Awesome. As much as I love Urasawa's stuff, he tends to Roger Corman his endings aka "Conflict over, no more story, go home now". Nice to hear that Pluto sticks the landing and that's my next project after watching Monster again.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    So... Nier: Automata Ver1.1a. I finished watching the show months back, but never properly wrote up any thoughts on the ending of the first part. Sorry it won't have the immediacy at all, but I still really like this show (I bought it for $5 on Xbox in case I ever need to stop subbing to Crunchyroll for some reason). They also JUST finished the dub, so pretend that's the reason I'm posting now.


    Nier: Automata Ver1.1a episode 9

    General notes:
    -The confrontation in the Copied City where 2B has to rescue the kidnapped 9S, but with a couple of twists to it. This will read as either a decent action episode to people experiencing for the first time, or a ridiculous burst of fanservice to those in the know (to me). Meanwhile, in 9S' mind, the most infamous (it's infamous... MORE than famous!) sequence from route B plays out. For those who have not been reading between the lines, probably the most significant piece of lore in the game is finally dropped in this episode, let that one sink in.

    Superfan/franchise commentary:
    -So the fight with Adam takes place in the Church. You know, the one from the mod that pretended to be a real hidden area in the game all along and sparked all that news and rumors years after the game's release? That's kind of an insane pull, something that you'd only see from the Nier team.
    -Adam ambushes 2B with fake 9S clones, something interesting because it's something that happens in the game, but to 9S with 2B clones. Double mental damage to 9S, since 2B is dead at the time.
    -The Commander reestablishes what a piece of shit she is, if you'd forgotten after the massive IRL break between episodes 8 and 9.
    -"9S... you'd like to **** 2B, right?" This line alone almost makes the repetition of route B (in the game) worth it on its own. I've always loved how the Nier games will dance around an idea for a long time and then suddenly POUNCE on it, sneak attacking the player who thought it would merely sit there implied for the rest of the story. There's also the very open question of what selection from Fuck, Marry, Kill 9S is thinking there. Because he seems pretty evenly split between the first and third one.
    -Since we omitted the alien spaceship fight from the show, here's the big reveals all at once. Machines, the creation of alien invaders, pretty swiftly killed off those aliens, they are LONG dead. Also long dead: the human race! Surprise! The "Human" Moon base is just some AIs dicking around.
    -Like in the earlier episodes, 9S' pod steps out of the background and actually does stuff, something it doesn't really do until the C/D route in the game. I appreciate it, 9S' pod should have had more to do in Route B to begin with.
    -And then the biggest anime-only twist. Eve pulls off a straight-out-of Drakengard A ending (1 and 3) ambush and almost kills 2B. Instead, he gets killed in Adam's place, marking a notable shift in the canon (Eve should be the final enemy for routes A and B, not Adam).

    Nier: Automata Ver1.1a episode 10

    General notes:
    -Speedrun version of the Machine religious cult arc. Notable as the part that lends the game's re-release its subtitle: "Become as Gods Edition". However, because of the events of the previous episode, the context has changed a bit. Earlier in the show, Pascal tagged along during a main story mission they were not present for (the Forest King arc), now they do not show up for this mission that they DID attend in the game. Just a noticeable difference this time.


    Superfan/franchise commentary:
    -In game, this is the level most specifically designed to screw you over and get you killed. Mass rushes of suicide/exploder enemies, giant crushers on moving platforms that are one-hit kills if you're underneath, and more. In the show, honestly it wasn't too bad for the gang. Back in my day....
    -So because Eve martyred himself for his bro, the cult has latched on to this idea specifically and "Become as Gods" has now turned into "Become as EVE". I think the sequence plays a bit better in game, since it's the area from the prologue but instead of being relentlessly attacked, they are relentlessly committing cult mass suicide. It's creepy as hell!
    -Command pushing for a team kill like crazy this time, it's kind of unclear what their game is at this point.
    -Since there's no Pascal, the 2 pods hang out with 2B and we get more of their sassy/pushy dialogue that doesn't appear until routes C/D in the game, I love this stuff.
    -2B uses the Machine Spear when pressured in this episode. I appreciate cycling through some of the vast arsenal in the game for some more visual interest in the combat in the show (and I appreciate very much that they always pick a real in-game weapon for this, instead of making up some crap).
    -In the end of this one, the Red Girls are definitely on the move, stuff is about to go very bad, very quickly.

    Nier: Automata Ver1.1a episode 11

    General notes:
    -The Machine leader (spoilers) prompts the massive invasion that characterizes the ending of routes A and B in game. Unlike the game, the Resistance steps up their game and actually fights back instead of being wiped out right away. You know shit has become real when the show is deploying bangers like this one for the battle soundtrack (Song of the Ancients- Atonement).
    https://youtu.be/QNmui0Prrls?si=UEP7kAmlU3cRWUkS


    Superfan/franchise commentary:
    -Instead of Eve's FURIOUS emotional meltdown that rounded out the game's A and B routes, we now have Adam's very cold and despairing meltdown instead. While Eve teamed up with a boss we'd seen already, Adam has a totally different (much more effective) battle plan. Why did we design the Machines to have horrible teeth underneath everything? Jesus...
    -We skipped the game's battle against the big fish aircraft carrier boss (Grun), so the scale of this one is intended to provide that feeling and some of those payoffs (they use the gigantic missile from that arc here instead).
    -Red versions of enemy Machines show up, and like in the game, their stats are worringly enhanced. It's kind of funny how this trope has progressed since NES games and First Gundam...
    -Lily and the Resistance step up and take the fight to the monster, with several competent plans... that don't work because power creep, naturally. Lily's leadership just seems frankly better than Anemone, I wonder if that's meant to be a plot point or just something we are observing with meta knowledge. Even the Commander feels the need to be somewhat useful, which just makes you wait for another shoe to drop.
    -The form the boss takes? It's a boss from the mobile game, Reincarnation! I had to ditch that one, as its MUCH more of a gacha time waster than a proper Nier game with payoffs and such. I think that feeling is pretty popular, because I could not for the life of me find out what that enemy is even CALLED. No one has created a competent wiki for that game aside from like "gacha tier list" and "how to ruin your life by grinding for stuff." No, I'm not biased at all, why ask?
    -2B breaks out her giant katana, Virtuous Treaty... and breaks it right away. Maybe this is why she's using a different sword in the flash-forward start from episode 1? Various Pod attack programs are also used during the battle, including Illusion and Sword. As ever, I appreciate them going deeper into the game's systems than "Pods fire laser beams every time, 2B uses that katana from the key art every time."
    -Things get SO heated, 2B actually calls 9S "Nines" for the "first" time (not that she'll admit to it).

    Nier: Automata Ver1.1a episode 12

    General notes:
    -A pretty direct adaptation of the A/B ending finale, despite changes that have occurred up till now. 2B and 9S vs. the big boss for all the marbles. The big moment is, of course, deploying "Weight of the World" into the soundtrack, which doesn't show up until C/D in the game.
    https://youtu.be/ToBQY630PZE?si=04vDR3QqqYICbfpl


    Superfan/franchise commentary:
    -I feel like they dovetailed back towards the "normal" endings on purpose, despite all the changes up to this point. Probably a good idea, since completely different ideas would have trouble measuring up to what less committed players know as THE ending of the game.
    -The B ending kind of nudges you that the Red Girls are something you'll want to pay attention to. The show ending is basically SHOUTING this to you. The call is coming from inside the house (Bunker), 9S. It's time to FLEE.
    -The audience was told the truth about humans, now 9S also knows... and he is not supposed to. I really enjoy that they present 9S finding this data identically to how you, the player, read it from the in-game menus.
    -Our heroes removing their blindfolds as they face various truths is a metaphor at a level so simple even most anime fans should be able to grasp it.

    Let's hope season 2 comes out this decade and is even better/wilder than this one was. And that they plan it properly so there aren't 3 massive breaks that properly cut their audience down to a fraction by the ending.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    I haven't watched the dub yet, but did everyone reprise their roles? (I can't imagine why not, the cast has Scott Pilgrim levels of brand loyalty.)

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    I haven't watched the dub yet, but did everyone reprise their roles? (I can't imagine why not, the cast has Scott Pilgrim levels of brand loyalty.)

    There may be some minor role changes, but by and large, yes it's the same. I haven't given the dub a full chance either, since it just finished this week (the sub completed in July...)

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Re: Nier episode 9
    the nod to the fake secret church made me crack the fuck up

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I've watched the first three episodes of Scott Pilgrim show. Not sure how I feel about it. I mean I'm enjoying but it's a very odd feeling watching. One is how super weird it is going back to Scott Pilgrim. The series, especially in retrospect, seems super grounded in the 2000s. Like, for example, I've never been to Toronto, but I've heard from the people who live there, or used to, that most of the Toronto-esque things that set vibes in the series don't exist anymore. It's weird going back to the 2000s in particular for some reason, and it's weird going back to a series where I was younger then the entire cast when I started reading it in like 2008, and now I'm older than the entire cast in 2023. Maybe this is how Simpsons fans feel with Homer and Marge being stand ins for their parents' generation when they started watching in the early seasons and now they're more often than not younger than kids and teenagers who started watching back in the day. It's like nostalgia, but not. Not-stalgia if you will.

    Then there's the actual content of the series which is... unexpected. It's odd going into it having a very solid idea of what you're getting into and then being extremely surprised. I have no idea where it's going. It's not bad... just, like I said, an odd feeling.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Okay I have now finished watcching the Scott Pilgrim show. Pretty good.

    Pretty sure my previous feelings were the... intended effect.

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  • Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oh also just one thing, this is basically a Service Announcement with Scott Pilgrim Takes Off: Don't watch this show if you haven't seen the movie. Honestly, I kind of want to say don't watch it if you haven't read the comics but I get that's potentially a really big ask, but I kind of really think the comics are a required prerequisite. But if you can't or won't do that, and you wanna watch the show, at minimum watch the movie.

    Maybe saying that alone is a spoiler, but I kind of think it needs to be said and I don't know how to say it without implying that Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is not... exactly what it is billed as.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Gundi wrote: »
    Oh also just one thing, this is basically a Service Announcement with Scott Pilgrim Takes Off: Don't watch this show if you haven't seen the movie. Honestly, I kind of want to say don't watch it if you haven't read the comics but I get that's potentially a really big ask, but I kind of really think the comics are a required per-requisite. But if you can't or won't do that, and you wanna watch the show, at minimum watch the movie.

    Maybe saying that alone is a spoiler, but I kind of think it needs to be said and I don't know how to say it without implying that Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is not... exactly what it is billed as.

    Agreed with this

    Comics if you can

    Movie if no other option

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  • SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Scott Pilgrim, episode 7
    WHY IS THERE A NEW VERSION OF KONYA WA HURRICANE.

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  • neverreallyneverreally Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Oh also just one thing, this is basically a Service Announcement with Scott Pilgrim Takes Off: Don't watch this show if you haven't seen the movie. Honestly, I kind of want to say don't watch it if you haven't read the comics but I get that's potentially a really big ask, but I kind of really think the comics are a required per-requisite. But if you can't or won't do that, and you wanna watch the show, at minimum watch the movie.

    Maybe saying that alone is a spoiler, but I kind of think it needs to be said and I don't know how to say it without implying that Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is not... exactly what it is billed as.

    Agreed with this

    Comics if you can

    Movie if no other option

    Nah, you just need to play the video game and you're set

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Just finished rewatching Horizon, and I know it's like the epitome of "anime recommendation is only 75% caveats," but seeing all the teases for future characters/stories in the last couple episodes is so depressing when it made it through... 2 of 11 volumes. Such a rare ensemble show that sure, dips maybe a little too often into "Let me sacrificed myself!" "THE FUCK YOU WILL!" but so many big hero moments and great scenes for so many characters and the Tori/Horizon 'fight' that's the capstone to the first season is so great, even if the wordplay there is a translation nightmare.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Skeith wrote: »
    Scott Pilgrim, episode 7
    WHY IS THERE A NEW VERSION OF KONYA WA HURRICANE.
    I grabbed the soundtrack before seeing the show and that bit floored me

    Then getting to it and finding out it was being sung by
    Will Forte

    And I lost it further


    Then the original started playing over the credits and I was just combo finished


    Netflix, do it, go commission a new Bubblegum Crisis. Do it, go talk to Kamen Rider Decade and make it happen

    https://youtu.be/Rpaz5O-Gz64?feature=shared

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Scott Pilgrim Episode 5:
    Was that Weird Al doing the narration!?

    "What just happened" is one way of putting it.

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  • GridlinkGridlink Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Oh also just one thing, this is basically a Service Announcement with Scott Pilgrim Takes Off: Don't watch this show if you haven't seen the movie. Honestly, I kind of want to say don't watch it if you haven't read the comics but I get that's potentially a really big ask, but I kind of really think the comics are a required per-requisite. But if you can't or won't do that, and you wanna watch the show, at minimum watch the movie.

    Maybe saying that alone is a spoiler, but I kind of think it needs to be said and I don't know how to say it without implying that Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is not... exactly what it is billed as.

    Agreed with this

    Comics if you can

    Movie if no other option

    Thank you both for saying this. I've been meaning to ask how much prior knowledge of the series is needed to watch it. Having never watched, read, or played anything Scott Pilgrim so I can safely skip it for now. I can barely keep up with what I'm currently watching, so needing to be very familiar with an entire multimedia universe of something for a new series to make any sense is not something I have time for right now.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Cormac wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Oh also just one thing, this is basically a Service Announcement with Scott Pilgrim Takes Off: Don't watch this show if you haven't seen the movie. Honestly, I kind of want to say don't watch it if you haven't read the comics but I get that's potentially a really big ask, but I kind of really think the comics are a required per-requisite. But if you can't or won't do that, and you wanna watch the show, at minimum watch the movie.

    Maybe saying that alone is a spoiler, but I kind of think it needs to be said and I don't know how to say it without implying that Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is not... exactly what it is billed as.

    Agreed with this

    Comics if you can

    Movie if no other option

    Thank you both for saying this. I've been meaning to ask how much prior knowledge of the series is needed to watch it. Having never watched, read, or played anything Scott Pilgrim so I can safely skip it for now. I can barely keep up with what I'm currently watching, so needing to be very familiar with an entire multimedia universe of something for a new series to make any sense is not something I have time for right now.

    Yeah, you definitely need the context of the film and/or comic to appreciate the tweaks the show makes. It's kind of like playing Nier Automata's other routes without doing the first.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    We just watched Scott pilgrim in one night. I thought it was amazing.

    One of my friends made a comment that they just realized it was made by science saru and that took them from mild interest to must watch. I don’t know if I’ve seen anything else from them but now im interested too

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  • EvilOtakuEvilOtaku Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    We just watched Scott pilgrim in one night. I thought it was amazing.

    One of my friends made a comment that they just realized it was made by science saru and that took them from mild interest to must watch. I don’t know if I’ve seen anything else from them but now im interested too

    https://www.sciencesaru.com/english

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    EvilOtaku wrote: »
    We just watched Scott pilgrim in one night. I thought it was amazing.

    One of my friends made a comment that they just realized it was made by science saru and that took them from mild interest to must watch. I don’t know if I’ve seen anything else from them but now im interested too

    https://www.sciencesaru.com/english

    Sheesh, Devilman Crybaby and Japan Sinks, talk about a 1-2 punch of depressing.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Kagurabachi goes extremely hard. Chapter 10:
    The villain needed to create an opening to escape, so he had a minion kidnap the macguffin girl with regeneration powers, and cuts off her legs. The minion leads the protagonist away thinking he had the whole girl.

    I didn't think Jump could get away with that. Granted they show her growing her legs back, but the villain is a complete monster.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    EvilOtaku wrote: »
    We just watched Scott pilgrim in one night. I thought it was amazing.

    One of my friends made a comment that they just realized it was made by science saru and that took them from mild interest to must watch. I don’t know if I’ve seen anything else from them but now im interested too

    https://www.sciencesaru.com/english

    Surprised they didn't have their Star Wars: Visions short listed as well.

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  • Fig-DFig-D SoCalRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    I had to look up which one they worked on. They did the Astro Boy-esque one that I wasn't really a fan of.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Dogsred:
    While the commentary about Crosby in the Vancouver gold medal game centered what time period the series was taking place, this episode firmly cements it with everyone living through the Fukushima earthquake.

    MHA:
    Oh no.

    Oh nonononono.

    Whoever thought this was a good idea was horribly mistaken.

    AfO doesn't need a backstory, and he definitely doesn't need this one, with all it insinuates.

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    We just watched Scott pilgrim in one night. I thought it was amazing.

    One of my friends made a comment that they just realized it was made by science saru and that took them from mild interest to must watch. I don’t know if I’ve seen anything else from them but now im interested too

    science saru was cofounded by director masaaki yuasa so you'll wanna look into his previous works too (mind game, kaiba, tatami galaxy, etc)

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Scott Pilgrim Episode 6:
    Gideon and Lucas being besties and watching shoujo anime together was not on my bingo card, but I'm here for it.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Episode 7:
    The absolute madmen got the rights to the OG Konya Wa Hurricane. HOW!?

    And the new version wasn't that bad. Better than the dub version from the original, lol.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Zek wrote: »
    Dogsred:

    MHA:
    Oh no.

    Oh nonononono.

    Whoever thought this was a good idea was horribly mistaken.

    AfO doesn't need a backstory, and he definitely doesn't need this one, with all it insinuates.
    I'm not even sure what it insinuates - AfO was born a literal monster baby, a vampire capable of surviving by itself out of the womb and preying on humans ever since. I guess he's an alien or parasite or some shit, idk. Definitely seems to have been written for raw shock value.
    He's the monstrous son of a sex worker. This is a rather infamous and problematic origin story that's often used in a "of course he's evil" manner that just comes across as yuck, exploitive, and gratuitous.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Scott Pilgrim end:
    Really loved how it brought everything full circle, and all the Exes got more development.

    Sucks that some of the comic exclusive bits didn't get more presence, like Envy's background with Scott, but then it'd be more about him, so I'm fine with it.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Tonight I deployed a trap myself and some of the AniMenagerie crew set for Zonugal some time ago.
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    This will be a fun, very brief diversion before a heavy hitting Season 8 next year.

    Anzekay on
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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited April 13
    Reynolds wrote: »
    Tonight I deployed a trap myself and some of the AniMenagerie crew set for Zonugal some time ago.
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    This will be a fun, very brief diversion before a heavy hitting Season 8 next year.

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    Anzekay on
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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Zek wrote: »
    Dogsred:

    MHA:
    Oh no.

    Oh nonononono.

    Whoever thought this was a good idea was horribly mistaken.

    AfO doesn't need a backstory, and he definitely doesn't need this one, with all it insinuates.
    I'm not even sure what it insinuates - AfO was born a literal monster baby, a vampire capable of surviving by itself out of the womb and preying on humans ever since. I guess he's an alien or parasite or some shit, idk. Definitely seems to have been written for raw shock value.
    He's the monstrous son of a sex worker. This is a rather infamous and problematic origin story that's often used in a "of course he's evil" manner that just comes across as yuck, exploitive, and gratuitous.
    But didn't he have a brother who has the same origin but is the direct opposite of him? Yes, there's the implications that you mentioned but you can also easily say "he's a jackass because he's SIMPLY a jackass." His mom being a sex worker, I thought, wasn't an excuse for why he was how he was but more why no one noticed him and his brother as being amongst the first super-powered humans.

    Anzekay on
  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Owenashi wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Dogsred:

    MHA:
    Oh no.

    Oh nonononono.

    Whoever thought this was a good idea was horribly mistaken.

    AfO doesn't need a backstory, and he definitely doesn't need this one, with all it insinuates.
    I'm not even sure what it insinuates - AfO was born a literal monster baby, a vampire capable of surviving by itself out of the womb and preying on humans ever since. I guess he's an alien or parasite or some shit, idk. Definitely seems to have been written for raw shock value.
    He's the monstrous son of a sex worker. This is a rather infamous and problematic origin story that's often used in a "of course he's evil" manner that just comes across as yuck, exploitive, and gratuitous.
    But didn't he have a brother who has the same origin but is the direct opposite of him? Yes, there's the implications that you mentioned but you can also easily say "he's a jackass because he's SIMPLY a jackass." His mom being a sex worker, I thought, wasn't an excuse for why he was how he was but more why no one noticed him and his brother as being amongst the first super-powered humans.
    Yeah, I can see it being problematic for the reasons Hedgie gets at, but given that his brother is effectively the Origin of Pure Good and Selfless Sacrifice, I think that complicates the negative read of “well his mother was a sex worker so of course he was evil”

    My feeling, like Owenashi suggests, is Horikoshi was, effectively for the dichotomy of AfO and OfA, these emblems of platonic Evil and Good, to basically be born out of a situation where they were utterly unseen by society, compared to the Glowing Baby (were they implying that the baby was the original Destro as well, later on?) who utterly enraptures the attention of the world for good and ill both, so he went with a mother that would have also likewise have been utterly unseen by society at large. She was someone who society abused, ignored, forgot and left for dead, someone who needed society to support her and yet was not. And from her, both ultimate hope and despair were born.

    It still has issues because it’s playing in range of some crappy tropes, but I don’t think it’s meant to be using them specifically

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Scott Pilgrim end:
    Really loved how it brought everything full circle, and all the Exes got more development.

    Sucks that some of the comic exclusive bits didn't get more presence, like Envy's background with Scott, but then it'd be more about him, so I'm fine with it.

    I thought it fit in so well with the theme of
    ”Its never too late to clean up a mess,” as Goddess Ramona puts it to the Scotts.

    In a way, you think about it, the original timeline of events is kind of a mess; a bunch of doofuses who can’t get over this one girl in their life commit themselves to winning her back to the point they found and join a legion of evil to fight whoever the next person she dates is, and instead of accepting that’s patently absurd and toxic Scott and Ramona originally go along with the idea.

    But with Scott in the picture long enough to set things in motion, then getting abducted by his future self to stop it all, now everyone has this opportunity and the drive to start actually facing each other and what they meant to each other and how the way their relationships all failed affected them the way they did and find a way to set them on a new, healthier path. Even Older/Even Older Scott too ends up becoming like this not because they actually broke up, but because he was too stupid to realize Ramona wasn’t leaving him, just that she needed space for whatever.

    And given the way things were, for most of these relationships (I’m still not sure about Gideon/Gordon, given that he is clearly evil given the means to be) it is something Ramona has a hand in and has a responsibility to help set things right, that they’re not just problems she can walk out on and run away frmo, but has to address like an adult given they were relationships.

    And so, in the course of trying to find Scott, Ramona sets out to do something just as important: Clean up these old messes she left behind and work together with each Ex to achieve a meaningful closure so she and they can all move on to healthier lives.

    Honestly, its fucking fantastic and I can see just why O’Malley would want to return to it given how that aspect of Ramona’s life just never really gets addressed in that way thanks to the original conceit of fighting the Exes. And not only that, but everyone else as well gets to push themselves in healthier directions as well

    It’s an fantastic thematic follow up that utilizes what could easily be a cheap conceit (the time travel plot) to give space to explore these themes.

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