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Episode 2
I'm enjoying Rouge the character at least, even if it felt like the tone went from Bladerunner last week to a bad filler episode of Dr Who this week.
I am going to be thinking about this comic for the rest of my entire life.
Goddamn.
Goddamn.
i am going to guess komi can't communicate
its so good, so so fucking good
I’m going to be unpacking these themes for years it feels like
I just finished it this week myself. What a wild ride, and sadly an unadaptable one (because I seriously have no idea how you'd pull off making an anime for this). But honestly, that's fine. Not like my dream voice casting could happen for it anyway.
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they're world building by just having events happen. pretty typical Bones style.
idk, the first two episodes have been fine so far (I honestly didn't expect a lot of what they dropped in ep 2, which kind of makes me more interested in what's going on than what i thought was going to be the setting)
It must have been wild to see those cliffhangers when it was still ongoing. Did any of you guys follow it while it was? What were the crazy theories that turned out to be true?
It's definitely not unadaptable. At least not any more than something like 20th century boys. I think it's very likely we'll get another urasawa anime eventually. But it's also very possible we won't. It's probably a miracle we got Monster. Now that's a weird one to adapt, imo. Very little action. Endless serious talking and shots of people walking around.
Billy Bat at least is a lot more fun to play with.
Gurren
Fucking
Lagann
If you have the choice I highly recommend seeing it in 4DX.
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There's also "Wizard's Soul - Holy War Of Love", which is a romcom between magic players. Well, not _really_ MtG, but "wizard's soul" sure is pretty close.
(the same way that in Young Girls Don't Play Fighting Games, they're not really playing Street Fighter, but it sure is a close thing) (hold on, they made a live action version of Young Girls Don't Play Fighting Games? in this trailer it seems like they just stop pretending and play SF5 directly, rather than trying to implement Iron Senpai itself)
just gonna be rolling this one around in my head for a while i think? Keeping up with the last year or so of that series in real time must have been hell? I feel exhausted.
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FMP! Family got the mechs back too
give us season five
Which, fuckin' wild if true, I had just assumed that the Monogatari Series anime adaptation process was over
I just hope it's not as... aimless? as Xam'd kind of felt at times.
"Oh, an enemy appeared. I guess there will probably be a fight sc--THE MOMENT HAS ARRIVED FOR FIGHTING! THERE IS NO ESCAPE OR HIDING!"
Such glorious, grade A Tokusatsu cheese. I love it.
probably catching 2 later tonight
They have the serious military people trying to talk to Bravern and it's mostly schtick.
"So, uh, Mister B--"
"BRAVERN! I AM BRAVERN! HERE TO FIGHT THE DEADLY FORCE FROM BEYOND THE GALAXY!"
"Uh... right, so..."
"WHERE IS ISAMI! I MUST HAVE MY ISAMI! I NEED MY ISAMI! ISAAAMMIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!! IIIIIISSAAAAAAAAAMMMIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!"
--cut to Isami being waterboarded and tortured by the same military people and spends the entire rest of the episode completely traumatized--
Not just strapped to a chair and insinuated either, but full on explicitly waterboarded (because they think he has something to do with all the chaos) with him choking and desperately pleading for them to stop, and ending the episode with him naked and sobbing after being forced back into the cockpit. So the military here is pretty explicitly Not The Good Guys, but they're also the exasperated straight men and human casualty side to Bravern's rah rah super robots. It's like bouncing between Transformers and Saving Private Ryan scene to scene.
And then the ED plays, which is... uh...
Then the enemy mech spits out a magical girlfriend.
Thank you for the long post and the communication on the topic. It's absolutely super important.
You're not wrong that there is a disconnect on either "side" (which there isn't really sides in this specific space, it's just those that are talking either in non-negative terms against AI voices and those that very much are speaking out against the tool wholesale.) and, to be clear: I very much am in the camp that's against it completely. And I'll give clear examples why I feel this way. The main one is that I think that AI learning models (in their current form and when used in Commercial Products) represent either a false time-savings or take work away from someone full stop.
To address the false time savings, it comes in two forms. Firstly: Either the person working the task spends so much time touching up or painting over or tweaking the AI's output that it almost would've taken the same time as to just do it 100% from scratch. Be it images or voices or text. Or the material used to train the model is itself generated by someone/someones enough that they could've been on working over to their other projects instead of preparing or providing material to train the AI. Now yes, I know the idea is to take already existent material and use that for the training, it's the entire point of the technology after all. But when that material is taken from a wider internet, whether with permission or without, it's just taking all the time that was used in those myriad individual products and turning that down into a repeatable output engine that now can be used by anyone going forward. In another way, it's stealing time from the person using the AI output as well. Like, there's so many parts of human nature and society that drive all of us to just be instant experts at anything and able to support ourselves with some skill. But that's not how learning works. Learning is sucking and frustration and progress is a view from the mountain-high pile of prior projects.
Like, it really is the training material that feels like the sticking point for this. I would want to use the phrase "original sin" but that's very loaded and comes packaged with intent and bias. Certainly evocative. The example of using voice models to make scratch audio for some project (video game is the example used, but it could be wider than that) is basically a perfect example of what I mean here. Where does the audio come from to have trained the model in the first place? Was it a company's owned backlog of voice work? Then we run into issues of why is it not paying the workers that provided that past material to make the future material? If it's support calls (aka the "This call may be monitored or recorded for quality purposes") why is that now ok as a means to avoid paying someone to make audio for a project, scratch or otherwise. Like, you point out in past posts that maybe a developer or writer doesn't want to spend time recording audio that won't make it to final, but is that really true? To me, it sounds like a fun use of time to spend reading over writing I've made and trying to deliver it. And if I'm gonna be paid a wage for it? All the better! Hell, it could make the final product better to hear the script read out and have it hit the ear instead of just read by the eye. And if they don't have time to spend on recording audio copy, is getting a generated voice put in there any better than just leaving it as text on the page? If it's not being said by a person, there's still not that opportunity for speaking the words from a person that can give feedback or point out where a combination of sounds is really hard to hit.
I don't think the tools are the enemy, but neither do I think they bring anything of note or import to the creative process; while having a huge capacity for "harm" at all stages of the process.
It has been proposed that the company pay a $212,646 fine. I am sure this will solve the issue-
Ah, well, nevertheless.
A fine is just a price. There need to be actual penalties faced by those calling the shots.
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standard TTS different from what the (hope) of the new AI stuff is
like there's the one application where you can take an existing voice recording and then apply the model over it, so you read out the line and then it sounds like Captain Picard reads it or whatever
this doesn't really save the producers much money cause you still need an actor to read the line in the first place, you can't just have some intern do it cause the delivery will still be crap, just in a recognizable voice
the other thing is for TTS it isn't just algorithmically constructing from the text (like some older TTS) but feeds the text into a trained model which then generates the output recording
this system leads to pretty good sounding voice where not just the words but whole sentences sound natural(ish), but i think the hope that produces want is that the models won't just spit out natural sounding recordings but actual *acting*
which they won't, and can't, because AI art is all bad because it can't create
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that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Here he is, winning his SF pools match on mainstage at fucking EVO
Helping blind people is already here. They're accessibility option. He needs TTS to navigate the menus. He doesn't need AI Nolan North. That's the difference
Even worse, If the fine is less than the profit made by the infraction; it’s just a tax. And not even a high one, by the looks of it.
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I love this show so much.