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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
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    “Come on, Draw.”

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I don't... get what Metallic Rouge is doing.

    Episode 2
    Okay, bus full of random colorful and mysterious characters that mainly existed to infodump the setting. Suddenly, mercenaries attack them in the middle of the desert, so they crash the bus in a forest (???), losing the mercenaries in the process (??????). But then there's just some random dude hanging out with a bunch of powered down alien giant mechs and they're like: "Okay, kids, go poke those things for a while." (?????????) Which then wake up and everybody keeps going "Wait, who the fuck ARE you?" So they blow up the mechs and then the episode just... ends, again going "Who the fuck even is this random dude that stepped out of nowhere?"

    I'm enjoying Rouge the character at least, even if it felt like the tone went from Bladerunner last week to a bad filler episode of Dr Who this week.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
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    “Come on, Draw.”



    I am going to be thinking about this comic for the rest of my entire life.

    Goddamn.

    Goddamn.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Comic?

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Comic?

    i am going to guess komi can't communicate

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  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Billy Bat.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    PLA wrote: »
    Billy Bat.

    its so good, so so fucking good

    I’m going to be unpacking these themes for years it feels like

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oh yeah, Billy Bat, what a hell of a thing

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oh yeah, Billy Bat, what a hell of a thing

    I just finished it this week myself. What a wild ride, and sadly an unadaptable one (because I seriously have no idea how you'd pull off making an anime for this). But honestly, that's fine. Not like my dream voice casting could happen for it anyway.
    The voice in my head for Kevin's Billy?
    James McCaffrey aka Max Payne/Director Trench/Alex Casey (RIP)

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    I don't... get what Metallic Rouge is doing.

    they're world building by just having events happen. pretty typical Bones style.

    idk, the first two episodes have been fine so far (I honestly didn't expect a lot of what they dropped in ep 2, which kind of makes me more interested in what's going on than what i thought was going to be the setting)

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  • WearingGlassesWearingGlasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I only just recently finished Billy Bat myself.

    It must have been wild to see those cliffhangers when it was still ongoing. Did any of you guys follow it while it was? What were the crazy theories that turned out to be true?

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  • neverreallyneverreally Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oh yeah, Billy Bat, what a hell of a thing

    I just finished it this week myself. What a wild ride, and sadly an unadaptable one (because I seriously have no idea how you'd pull off making an anime for this). But honestly, that's fine. Not like my dream voice casting could happen for it anyway.
    The voice in my head for Kevin's Billy?
    James McCaffrey aka Max Payne/Director Trench/Alex Casey (RIP)

    It's definitely not unadaptable. At least not any more than something like 20th century boys. I think it's very likely we'll get another urasawa anime eventually. But it's also very possible we won't. It's probably a miracle we got Monster. Now that's a weird one to adapt, imo. Very little action. Endless serious talking and shots of people walking around.

    Billy Bat at least is a lot more fun to play with.

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  • LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    You know what still rules?

    Gurren

    Fucking

    Lagann

    If you have the choice I highly recommend seeing it in 4DX.

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  • djmdjm Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Peewi wrote: »
    I recently learned of the existence of a Magic the Gathering manga, titled Destroy All Humans, They Can't Be Regenerated.

    It's pretty good.

    To be clear, it is about people in the real world that play MtG. Unlike the American MtG comics, which is about the world of MtG.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41SayYyp29A&t=1s

    There's also "Wizard's Soul - Holy War Of Love", which is a romcom between magic players. Well, not _really_ MtG, but "wizard's soul" sure is pretty close.

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    (the same way that in Young Girls Don't Play Fighting Games, they're not really playing Street Fighter, but it sure is a close thing) (hold on, they made a live action version of Young Girls Don't Play Fighting Games? in this trailer it seems like they just stop pretending and play SF5 directly, rather than trying to implement Iron Senpai itself)

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  • DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    alright seeing the anime fast approaching pushed me to finally finish Dead Dead Demon's Dededede Destruction and man. man. man.

    just gonna be rolling this one around in my head for a while i think? Keeping up with the last year or so of that series in real time must have been hell? I feel exhausted.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Metallic Rogue is reminding me of Xam'd so far, which given they're the same studio, not that suprising? It's slow burn, but i liked the second episode a whole lot more than the first, it had some good meat to it.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
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    FMP! Family got the mechs back too

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Now give us season five

    give us season five

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    MyAnimeList just hit me with an automated email notifying me they've just added Monogatari Series: Off and Monster seasons to their database

    Which, fuckin' wild if true, I had just assumed that the Monogatari Series anime adaptation process was over

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Metallic Rogue is reminding me of Xam'd so far, which given they're the same studio, not that suprising? It's slow burn, but i liked the second episode a whole lot more than the first, it had some good meat to it.

    I just hope it's not as... aimless? as Xam'd kind of felt at times.

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  • CururuCururu Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I appreciate Metallic Rogue's sense of style, although I had to pause from laughing too much at the start of the fight scene when the sped up music cue happened.

    "Oh, an enemy appeared. I guess there will probably be a fight sc--THE MOMENT HAS ARRIVED FOR FIGHTING! THERE IS NO ESCAPE OR HIDING!"

    Such glorious, grade A Tokusatsu cheese. I love it.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Bang Bravern's second episode was about as weird as the first.
    Doing schtick in between waterboarding the dude. Uh, not sure what tone you're going for here.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Reposting my wild ass, fly by the seat of your pants Bravern theory:
    Lanz wrote: »
    Also already have a theory, and seen it echoed by one other person online so far, for Bravern:
    I have no idea how far a shot I’m calling with this, but it immediately struck me that Bravern is, somehow, Lewis turned into a Giant Super Robot, with some kind of time travel shit involved (my guess is an alternate timeline resulting from what would have happened if Bravern hadn’t shown up to cut down the tower)

    Despite the fact that Isami is the pilot, and so you’d think the viewpoint character, it’s Lewis who gives the intro and outro narration, and is entirely about how all his life what he wanted to be was a hero, an ally of justice (the latter being given directly over a shot of Bravern gently floating back down to the surface).

    And plus Bravern shows up in the knick of time to save Isami from taking a blast head on, and knows his name, telling him his wait is over.

    probably catching 2 later tonight

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I think the juxtaposition between the two sides is a lot more awkward in the second episode of Bravern.
    Like, they start out with everybody mourning the dead, crying over the tragedy, and then ten minutes later, it's FUCK YEAH, MISSILES, EXPLOSIONS, SO COOL!

    They have the serious military people trying to talk to Bravern and it's mostly schtick.
    "So, uh, Mister B--"
    "BRAVERN! I AM BRAVERN! HERE TO FIGHT THE DEADLY FORCE FROM BEYOND THE GALAXY!"
    "Uh... right, so..."
    "WHERE IS ISAMI! I MUST HAVE MY ISAMI! I NEED MY ISAMI! ISAAAMMIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!! IIIIIISSAAAAAAAAAMMMIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!"
    --cut to Isami being waterboarded and tortured by the same military people and spends the entire rest of the episode completely traumatized--

    Not just strapped to a chair and insinuated either, but full on explicitly waterboarded (because they think he has something to do with all the chaos) with him choking and desperately pleading for them to stop, and ending the episode with him naked and sobbing after being forced back into the cockpit. So the military here is pretty explicitly Not The Good Guys, but they're also the exasperated straight men and human casualty side to Bravern's rah rah super robots. It's like bouncing between Transformers and Saving Private Ryan scene to scene.

    And then the ED plays, which is... uh...



    Then the enemy mech spits out a magical girlfriend.

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  • DesyDesy She/Her YeenRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    I'm gonna try one more stab at this, because it's an important topic, but I feel like there's a disconnect in communication here, and I have just enough stamina left to try one more time to fix it.

    Nobody, as far as I can tell, in here is arguing that AI voices won't be used by studios (game or movie) to put VO workers out of a job. That is a demonstrable fact, and one that should absolutely be fought against.

    However, to paint AI as 100% bad, no-good-can-come-from-this technology, to try and claim that AI voices has zero utility or benefit, is also demonstrably wrong. Myself and a few others have already outlined a few use cases in the past few pages where AI voices could be used to a positive benefit, not by taking jobs away from VO workers, but by doing jobs that would otherwise go undone completely.

    It is a tool. Like many, many tools, it can be used both for good and for evil. When it comes to corporations/companies/the rich, we know which one they'll use the tool for.

    But trying to claim the AI voice tool has no uses for good, or that there is no way to use it without hurting VO workers or ruining the VO worker community, is not a productive means of argument. You can't win the fight that way. It's demonstrably wrong, so you automatically lose the argument. All someone has to do is find/be told of one valid good use for AI voices, and you've lost the attention of whomever you were trying get on your side. And there are many good uses! (There are also many shitty ones! But there are good uses too!)

    And no, trying to qualify all AI voices as the shitty-ass auto-VO TikTok crap does not work either. It is unequivocally shitty, but it isn't what we're talking about. Trying to paint all AI voices as like the TikTok one, while maybe amusing, also just opens yourself up to immediately lose the argument the moment a single quality example comes along.

    The tool exists, and it has valid, good uses. Trying to pretend the tool doesn't exist, or that it can be somehow destroyed, or prevent anyone from ever using it, isn't going to happen, so trying to argue that it should is just tilting at windmills. The only thing we can do is try our best to make sure the tool is used responsibly, which includes (but not limited to) ways that don't harm or ruin the livelihoods of VO actors.

    Put another way: you're painting AI voices as the enemy here, which is wrong. The tool isn't the enemy. The studios looking to leverage that tool to ruin lives/jobs for their own personal gain is the enemy, and if we're to have any hope of winning that battle, it would behoove us to keep our eye on that.

    Thank you for the long post and the communication on the topic. It's absolutely super important.

    You're not wrong that there is a disconnect on either "side" (which there isn't really sides in this specific space, it's just those that are talking either in non-negative terms against AI voices and those that very much are speaking out against the tool wholesale.) and, to be clear: I very much am in the camp that's against it completely. And I'll give clear examples why I feel this way. The main one is that I think that AI learning models (in their current form and when used in Commercial Products) represent either a false time-savings or take work away from someone full stop.

    To address the false time savings, it comes in two forms. Firstly: Either the person working the task spends so much time touching up or painting over or tweaking the AI's output that it almost would've taken the same time as to just do it 100% from scratch. Be it images or voices or text. Or the material used to train the model is itself generated by someone/someones enough that they could've been on working over to their other projects instead of preparing or providing material to train the AI. Now yes, I know the idea is to take already existent material and use that for the training, it's the entire point of the technology after all. But when that material is taken from a wider internet, whether with permission or without, it's just taking all the time that was used in those myriad individual products and turning that down into a repeatable output engine that now can be used by anyone going forward. In another way, it's stealing time from the person using the AI output as well. Like, there's so many parts of human nature and society that drive all of us to just be instant experts at anything and able to support ourselves with some skill. But that's not how learning works. Learning is sucking and frustration and progress is a view from the mountain-high pile of prior projects.

    Like, it really is the training material that feels like the sticking point for this. I would want to use the phrase "original sin" but that's very loaded and comes packaged with intent and bias. Certainly evocative. The example of using voice models to make scratch audio for some project (video game is the example used, but it could be wider than that) is basically a perfect example of what I mean here. Where does the audio come from to have trained the model in the first place? Was it a company's owned backlog of voice work? Then we run into issues of why is it not paying the workers that provided that past material to make the future material? If it's support calls (aka the "This call may be monitored or recorded for quality purposes") why is that now ok as a means to avoid paying someone to make audio for a project, scratch or otherwise. Like, you point out in past posts that maybe a developer or writer doesn't want to spend time recording audio that won't make it to final, but is that really true? To me, it sounds like a fun use of time to spend reading over writing I've made and trying to deliver it. And if I'm gonna be paid a wage for it? All the better! Hell, it could make the final product better to hear the script read out and have it hit the ear instead of just read by the eye. And if they don't have time to spend on recording audio copy, is getting a generated voice put in there any better than just leaving it as text on the page? If it's not being said by a person, there's still not that opportunity for speaking the words from a person that can give feedback or point out where a combination of sounds is really hard to hit.

    I don't think the tools are the enemy, but neither do I think they bring anything of note or import to the creative process; while having a huge capacity for "harm" at all stages of the process.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    That ending sequence is amazing

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    A 16-year-old was killed while working at a poultry planet in Mississippi.
    OSHA cited Mar-Jac with 14 serious and three other-than-serious violations. They include allegations that the company didn’t protect workers from the unexpected start of machinery, often called lockout/tagout procedures, and failed to ensure there were barriers to prevent workers from entering machinery danger zones.

    In addition to Mar-Jac, OSHA also opened an inspection of Onin Staffing LLC of Birmingham, Ala., a firm OSHA said “employed” the teenager at the poultry plant. An OSHA spokesperson said the agency didn’t cite Onin.

    Federal investigations of the death are ongoing. A statement from the US Labor Department said the agency’s Wage and Hour Division, which enforces child labor laws, has an open on investigation into the matter.

    It has been proposed that the company pay a $212,646 fine. I am sure this will solve the issue-
    In the past decade, OSHA has inspected Mar-Jac’s five plants in Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi a total of 23 times, OSHA enforcement records show. Three of the inspections followed a worker’s death. OSHA issued citations 10 times with current fines totaling $102,984.

    Ah, well, nevertheless.

    A fine is just a price. There need to be actual penalties faced by those calling the shots.

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  • IronKnuckleIronKnuckle This is also my fault Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Delicious in Dungeon is only further convincing me that the sword guy is some kind of food pervert.

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  • aiouaaioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    jmcdonald wrote: »
    The AI voice thing is a ship that long ago sailed. I built an IVR that we paid a voice actress to read specific scripting for in 2015 and we were able to use phonemes from that scripting to reconstruct any word we needed back then.

    This is fresh paint on old tech. Nuance has been doing it for decades.

    standard TTS different from what the (hope) of the new AI stuff is

    like there's the one application where you can take an existing voice recording and then apply the model over it, so you read out the line and then it sounds like Captain Picard reads it or whatever

    this doesn't really save the producers much money cause you still need an actor to read the line in the first place, you can't just have some intern do it cause the delivery will still be crap, just in a recognizable voice

    the other thing is for TTS it isn't just algorithmically constructing from the text (like some older TTS) but feeds the text into a trained model which then generates the output recording
    this system leads to pretty good sounding voice where not just the words but whole sentences sound natural(ish), but i think the hope that produces want is that the models won't just spit out natural sounding recordings but actual *acting*

    which they won't, and can't, because AI art is all bad because it can't create

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    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
  • DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Here's Blindwarriorsven, a well known FG personality who is blind, playing and winning

    https://youtu.be/1KXVE4n6AJA?si=ykOTyvBQCceUGr1O

    Here he is, winning his SF pools match on mainstage at fucking EVO

    https://youtu.be/Nqe0lJxPHLM?si=A9zJlaAunGWcNT-R

    Helping blind people is already here. They're accessibility option. He needs TTS to navigate the menus. He doesn't need AI Nolan North. That's the difference

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  • DesyDesy She/Her YeenRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    A 16-year-old was killed while working at a poultry planet in Mississippi.
    OSHA cited Mar-Jac with 14 serious and three other-than-serious violations. They include allegations that the company didn’t protect workers from the unexpected start of machinery, often called lockout/tagout procedures, and failed to ensure there were barriers to prevent workers from entering machinery danger zones.

    In addition to Mar-Jac, OSHA also opened an inspection of Onin Staffing LLC of Birmingham, Ala., a firm OSHA said “employed” the teenager at the poultry plant. An OSHA spokesperson said the agency didn’t cite Onin.

    Federal investigations of the death are ongoing. A statement from the US Labor Department said the agency’s Wage and Hour Division, which enforces child labor laws, has an open on investigation into the matter.

    It has been proposed that the company pay a $212,646 fine. I am sure this will solve the issue-
    In the past decade, OSHA has inspected Mar-Jac’s five plants in Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi a total of 23 times, OSHA enforcement records show. Three of the inspections followed a worker’s death. OSHA issued citations 10 times with current fines totaling $102,984.

    Ah, well, nevertheless.

    A fine is just a price. There need to be actual penalties faced by those calling the shots.

    Even worse, If the fine is less than the profit made by the infraction; it’s just a tax. And not even a high one, by the looks of it.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Bravern:
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    I love this show

    I love this show so much.

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