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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    asofyeun wrote: »
    Peewi wrote: »
    You know how a lot of isekai (and some non-isekai fantasy) uses RPG stats? I've noticed that sometimes in those adventurers and/or monsters are given letter grades, which seems very video game-y, but I don't think I've ever played a game that does that and I'm wondering where it comes from.

    I think maybe Monster Hunter does that, though I'm not very familiar with it.

    gacha games i might guess, but i'm not familiar enough with them to know which ones started with 'Pull SSS class rarity heroes!'

    Oh, that's probably it. Or at least explain why it doesn't feel familiar to me.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Final Fantasy 14 does it for Hunts, and I think Final Fantasy 11 might have done it for Notorious Monsters but I didn't play that one.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Peewi wrote: »
    You know how a lot of isekai (and some non-isekai fantasy) uses RPG stats? I've noticed that sometimes in those adventurers and/or monsters are given letter grades, which seems very video game-y, but I don't think I've ever played a game that does that and I'm wondering where it comes from.

    I think maybe Monster Hunter does that, though I'm not very familiar with it.

    I don't know that you can pin it down to any one game, but grading things up to S has been around in games going back a long time, especially action and fighting games. Capcom in particular was especially guilty of it (eg Viewtiful Joe, Devil May Cry, Street Fighter 3, Resident Evil, etc).

    More specifically, if you played Final Fantasy 7, the racing chocobos were D to S ranked, so it was around and relatively established at least at that point.

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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    There's different types of letter ranks, depending on usage.

    The gacha style is for "rarity" (with obviously More Rare being generally More Better on the general sense of being "allowed" to have more stuff and power) and mostly measure how lucky you are for getting them. Most games of this type didn't get super big outside of Japan, but one that did was Granblue Fantasy, where characters go from R (Rare) to SSR (Super Super Rare, one assumes). So you can use that as a mental image. This is assigned to an entire character.

    The other type of letter rank is sort of, like, scoring. Think the scoring systems in Devil May Cry. An A-Rank adventurer is less good at adventuring than an S-Rank adventurer which is less good than an SSS rank adventurer. This is basically like your score at whatever thing is being talked about. Someone can be S rank at Swording and C rank at cooking, for example. Many, many, MANY games use this sort of scoring. Famously in anime circles, the Fate VN and anime actually showed sheets for the primary characters ranking their stats from E to S (and then proceeded to ignore them because Nasu heard of consistency once and decided he wanted no part of it).

    I've seen Isekais use either style of letter ranking.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Regarding Fate, there is no S ranking for parameters. There's EX, but that doesn't actually mean super powerful, it means it defies measurement. Abilities that bypass rules of the world, abilities that can't be detected, abilities that are so far beyond the measurable limit, they all fall under EX category.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Grand Kingdom used letter grades for stat proficiencies too, and don't some Fire Emblems use them for support and weapon affinity things?

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Peewi wrote: »
    You know how a lot of isekai (and some non-isekai fantasy) uses RPG stats? I've noticed that sometimes in those adventurers and/or monsters are given letter grades, which seems very video game-y, but I don't think I've ever played a game that does that and I'm wondering where it comes from.

    I think maybe Monster Hunter does that, though I'm not very familiar with it.

    I don't know that you can pin it down to any one game, but grading things up to S has been around in games going back a long time, especially action and fighting games. Capcom in particular was especially guilty of it (eg Viewtiful Joe, Devil May Cry, Street Fighter 3, Resident Evil, etc).

    More specifically, if you played Final Fantasy 7, the racing chocobos were D to S ranked, so it was around and relatively established at least at that point.

    The usage of letter grades I've seen in manga has mostly been a measure of power of characters and monsters, which I consider distinct from grading of the player performance like Capcom games.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    One Punch Man uses letter ranks as well, with C-Rank, B-Rank, and A-Rank Heroes. There is an S Class but in story that's not considered a rank someone can ever "reach" through ranking up, since the people in it are the extreme outliers in terms of genuine powers or ability.

    I like it when S Class is treated like that in stories where it's a thing. Not a "normal" rank but rather where all the interesting weirdos are kept.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    It's commonly used in stuff like Monster Rancher or Harvest Moon as you advance upward through the ranks. Bob the jerk rank S dude looks down on your peasant rank D farm. Milk more centaurs.

    I think it's become more prominent because of the RPG/gacha/isekai saturation, and because they're very, very, very lazily written so aren't going to bother coming up with anything even as creative as bronze/silver/gold ranks.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Jragghen wrote: »
    FWIW, I see the letter thing a LOT more in Korean stuff than Japanese stuff, so there might be some cultural bleed going on as korean stuff gets more popular, too.

    Korea is extremely hierarchal so that would make sense. Watched a pretty great video series going in depth on how and why to explain some gacha drama and also why the country as a whole is turbofucked because capitalism turning from kingmaker to king in the country in a way that wouldn't be possible anywhere else.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    One Punch Man uses letter ranks as well, with C-Rank, B-Rank, and A-Rank Heroes. There is an S Class but in story that's not considered a rank someone can ever "reach" through ranking up, since the people in it are the extreme outliers in terms of genuine powers or ability.

    I like it when S Class is treated like that in stories where it's a thing. Not a "normal" rank but rather where all the interesting weirdos are kept.

    OPM also frequently lampshades this. It's one of the only pieces of anime that I know where a person's ranking is just that. What the people in universe think of their power.

    Hey now let's be fair, King has technically never lost a single fight

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  • SomeWarlockSomeWarlock Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    One Punch Man uses letter ranks as well, with C-Rank, B-Rank, and A-Rank Heroes. There is an S Class but in story that's not considered a rank someone can ever "reach" through ranking up, since the people in it are the extreme outliers in terms of genuine powers or ability.

    I like it when S Class is treated like that in stories where it's a thing. Not a "normal" rank but rather where all the interesting weirdos are kept.

    OPM also frequently lampshades this. It's one of the only pieces of anime that I know where a person's ranking is just that. What the people in universe think of their power.

    OPM also makes a point that the people who care the most about the rankings and C/B/A class stuff are "losers" at the bottom, while basically everyone in S class doesn't give a shit. It's rather direct about it.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Frieren was top tier this week, per normal. I remembered how the episode would end halfway through, and it was *chef's kiss* delivery.

    The Dangers in my Heart 18 tugged at my heartstrings like whoa. It's the simplest story with beats that have been done so many times before, but it's so honest and sincere I can feel my heart welling every time the episode title card drops.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    One Punch Man uses letter ranks as well, with C-Rank, B-Rank, and A-Rank Heroes. There is an S Class but in story that's not considered a rank someone can ever "reach" through ranking up, since the people in it are the extreme outliers in terms of genuine powers or ability.

    I like it when S Class is treated like that in stories where it's a thing. Not a "normal" rank but rather where all the interesting weirdos are kept.

    OPM also frequently lampshades this. It's one of the only pieces of anime that I know where a person's ranking is just that. What the people in universe think of their power.

    OPM also makes a point that the people who care the most about the rankings and C/B/A class stuff are "losers" at the bottom, while basically everyone in S class doesn't give a shit. It's rather direct about it.

    There is specifically a guy in A Rank who is only not in S Rank because he's insane about caring about the rankings.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    One Punch Man uses letter ranks as well, with C-Rank, B-Rank, and A-Rank Heroes. There is an S Class but in story that's not considered a rank someone can ever "reach" through ranking up, since the people in it are the extreme outliers in terms of genuine powers or ability.

    I like it when S Class is treated like that in stories where it's a thing. Not a "normal" rank but rather where all the interesting weirdos are kept.

    OPM also frequently lampshades this. It's one of the only pieces of anime that I know where a person's ranking is just that. What the people in universe think of their power.

    OPM also makes a point that the people who care the most about the rankings and C/B/A class stuff are "losers" at the bottom, while basically everyone in S class doesn't give a shit. It's rather direct about it.

    There is specifically a guy in A Rank who is only not in S Rank because he's insane about caring about the rankings.

    The person at the top of B also checks people before they go to A, iirc?

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I think that's less caring about rankings and more making sure anyone who moves up isn't going to get themselves killed and is actually suited for the higher class. As much of an asshole as Sweet Mask is, he genuinely has good perception for a person's capability once he sees them in action.

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  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Peewi wrote: »
    You know how a lot of isekai (and some non-isekai fantasy) uses RPG stats? I've noticed that sometimes in those adventurers and/or monsters are given letter grades, which seems very video game-y, but I don't think I've ever played a game that does that and I'm wondering where it comes from.

    I think maybe Monster Hunter does that, though I'm not very familiar with it.

    Things with a list of missions you can accept for rewards tend to have some kind of difficulty-grade, but it's often a number of stars or something. If it's a boss-fighting game, then the grade boils down to how strong the big thing you fight in the mission is.

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  • SomeWarlockSomeWarlock Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    I think that's less caring about rankings and more making sure anyone who moves up isn't going to get themselves killed and is actually suited for the higher class. As much of an asshole as Sweet Mask is, he genuinely has good perception for a person's capability once he sees them in action.

    Nah, Sweet Mask is an asshole about it. He straight up says most of S-rank shouldn't be in S-rank more than once and blames them for stuff they had no control over. His messed up mindset about it(and his sense of justice) is absolutely portrayed in a negative light and the reason he's so gatekeep-y about S-Rank and what it means to be a hero.

    <snipping the quote tree>

    Kinda? Fubuki stays in B rank though because she lacks confidence and is trying to amass an army of B rankers. She's basically strong enough to be S tier but just has no confidence (and Tatsumaki wouldn't stand for it)

    Fubuki has a serious inferiority complex because of Tatsumaki and no confidence because of it, and initially doubts she can ever catch up with her sister. Because she resents the idea of living forever in her sister's shadow, she rather be the top of B class with the Fubuki group rather than be bottom of S class under her sister.

    She also doubts she could get into S class even if she tries because of Sweet Mask.

    She changes her mind after meeting Saitama though.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Thing is Sweet Mask is not wrong about a lot of the S Class. Before all the stuff starts kicking off they are kind of a menace to society in how they show up (if they even bother), cause collateral damage, and then leave the Hero Association with the bill. They're not heroes (with some exceptions) and Sweet Mask, as much as he is an asshole, can't abide by that. So he gatekeeps the S-Class to prevent any further problems from getting in.

    The only time he's blamed them for something outside of their control is when Boros showed up and vaporized the city around the Hero Association. Everything else they are 100% to blame when shit goes wrong because of their attitudes.

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  • ZeroRegistryZeroRegistry Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    asofyeun wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Latest frieren episode:
    I feel bad for Denken's group.
    congrats, he gets share what facing frieren is like with others! misery loves company

    although hopefully it doesn't have the mana reserves as the real frieren, at least that would give Denken's group a fighting chance
    Frieren isn't the only clone they need to worry about though. Fern's clone is wandering around down there, as is Sense.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    asofyeun wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Latest frieren episode:
    I feel bad for Denken's group.
    congrats, he gets share what facing frieren is like with others! misery loves company

    although hopefully it doesn't have the mana reserves as the real frieren, at least that would give Denken's group a fighting chance
    Frieren isn't the only clone they need to worry about though. Fern's clone is wandering around down there, as is Sense.
    Every single person who went in there has a clone wandering around now.

    Fun times for everybody incoming.

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  • ZeroRegistryZeroRegistry Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    asofyeun wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Latest frieren episode:
    I feel bad for Denken's group.
    congrats, he gets share what facing frieren is like with others! misery loves company

    although hopefully it doesn't have the mana reserves as the real frieren, at least that would give Denken's group a fighting chance
    Frieren isn't the only clone they need to worry about though. Fern's clone is wandering around down there, as is Sense.
    Every single person who went in there has a clone wandering around now.

    Fun times for everybody incoming.
    Wirbel's group seems like they've taken care of their clones. Denken looks to have only encountered Laufen from his party. Definitely seems like there could be more clones down there than active participants in the trial.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    asofyeun wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Latest frieren episode:
    I feel bad for Denken's group.
    congrats, he gets share what facing frieren is like with others! misery loves company

    although hopefully it doesn't have the mana reserves as the real frieren, at least that would give Denken's group a fighting chance
    Frieren isn't the only clone they need to worry about though. Fern's clone is wandering around down there, as is Sense.
    Good thing they have a hard counter for Sense, then.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Frieren Episode 23
    Somehow I don't think this clone is going to just stick to Basic Offensive Magic.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    I finished Lycoris Recoil. Was cute, nothing special, but cute. The two leads really hold the show together.

    Unless you've got some heavy tinted lenses though, it's no more yuri than any other show with two female leads.

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  • ZeroRegistryZeroRegistry Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I wish Lycoris Recoil was more about the coffee shop they worked at, and not cute girls doing counter terrorism.
    asofyeun wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Latest frieren episode:
    I feel bad for Denken's group.
    congrats, he gets share what facing frieren is like with others! misery loves company

    although hopefully it doesn't have the mana reserves as the real frieren, at least that would give Denken's group a fighting chance
    Frieren isn't the only clone they need to worry about though. Fern's clone is wandering around down there, as is Sense.
    Good thing they have a hard counter for Sense, then.

    Frieren ep 23 and slightly later manga
    I don't actually remember if the Sense clone posed much of a threat or not. My only real complaint(and it really isn't much of one) with the manga is that action is utilitarian, so certain moments don't really stand out much to me. I remember people engaging Sense, but nothing much after.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I wish Lycoris Recoil was more about the coffee shop they worked at, and not cute girls doing counter terrorism.
    asofyeun wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    Latest frieren episode:
    I feel bad for Denken's group.
    congrats, he gets share what facing frieren is like with others! misery loves company

    although hopefully it doesn't have the mana reserves as the real frieren, at least that would give Denken's group a fighting chance
    Frieren isn't the only clone they need to worry about though. Fern's clone is wandering around down there, as is Sense.
    Good thing they have a hard counter for Sense, then.

    Frieren ep 23 and slightly later manga
    I don't actually remember if the Sense clone posed much of a threat or not. My only real complaint(and it really isn't much of one) with the manga is that action is utilitarian, so certain moments don't really stand out much to me. I remember people engaging Sense, but nothing much after.
    It did - Edel was forced to bail out by the clone, though not before gaining a key bit of info on the clones:
    That they don't actually have minds, but are instead just automatons that react to stimuli.

    The problem for the Sense clone is (and Sense knows this from her own background) that the candidates have a hard counter for her:
    Ubel showed (and later explained to) Sense when she killed the proctor in the second-class exam that as long as she can envision cutting something, her Reelseiden (which, as you may recall, is the spell Frieren used to butcher Draph in the prison cell) will cut it. Given that Sense's weapon is her mana-infused hair...

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 14
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    I finished Lycoris Recoil. Was cute, nothing special, but cute. The two leads really hold the show together.

    Unless you've got some heavy tinted lenses though, it's no more yuri than any other show with two female leads.

    ehhh I dunno it's pretty high up on the yuri-that-isn't-quite-there scale compared to other shows with two female leads

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Anzekay wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    I finished Lycoris Recoil. Was cute, nothing special, but cute. The two leads really hold the show together.

    Unless you've got some heavy tinted lenses though, it's no more yuri than any other show with two female leads.

    ehhh I dunno it's pretty high up on the yuri-that-isn't-quite-there scale compared to other shows with two female leads

    Eh, I got nothing more than BFF vibes from the two, though maybe I'm just numb to shows that play the bait card.

    I didn't mind the 'counter-terrorism' bits, and Majima was a decent villain, just a lot of it felt kind of half-baked.

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  • ZeroRegistryZeroRegistry Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I honestly don't remember the serious plot of the show. I do like the characters, so seeing their continuing adventures would be welcome, but I hope that it picks up from
    them doing odd jobs for people in Hawaii, not going back to being government sanctioned assassins or whatever. Give me PG-13 black lagoon, I guess is what I'm saying.

    Frieren
    I wonder what the limitations are for that spell, other than five feet of range. If she only needs to visualize cutting through something, is there functionally anything she couldn't cut through? Interesting detail that it's also the same spell that killed Draht. I didn't think that Frieren had mentioned the name of the spell.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    FWIW, I see the letter thing a LOT more in Korean stuff than Japanese stuff, so there might be some cultural bleed going on as korean stuff gets more popular, too.

    Korea is extremely hierarchal so that would make sense. Watched a pretty great video series going in depth on how and why to explain some gacha drama and also why the country as a whole is turbofucked because capitalism turning from kingmaker to king in the country in a way that wouldn't be possible anywhere else.

    Could you share a link? I'd be interested to see that.

    Also, I ran out of Vinland Saga to read. This is terrible.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Frieren
    I wonder what the limitations are for that spell, other than five feet of range. If she only needs to visualize cutting through something, is there functionally anything she couldn't cut through? Interesting detail that it's also the same spell that killed Draht. I didn't think that Frieren had mentioned the name of the spell.
    So, one of the things that gets explained is that magic is powered by visualization - you have to think that what you wish to happen can happen. Which is why Ubel was able to kill the proctor - where all the other candidates saw mana-hardened armor, she saw...cloth. And she remembered how her sister cut fabric to make clothes with shears.

    And there's a whole thing in the series where Frieren shows off spells that we see other mages use later.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    FWIW, I see the letter thing a LOT more in Korean stuff than Japanese stuff, so there might be some cultural bleed going on as korean stuff gets more popular, too.

    Korea is extremely hierarchal so that would make sense. Watched a pretty great video series going in depth on how and why to explain some gacha drama and also why the country as a whole is turbofucked because capitalism turning from kingmaker to king in the country in a way that wouldn't be possible anywhere else.

    Could you share a link? I'd be interested to see that.

    Also, I ran out of Vinland Saga to read. This is terrible.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The YouTube algorithm scored one of its rare wins (by looking at data it shouldn't have access to, naturally) and served me up the trailer for the upcoming Blue Box anime.
    https://youtu.be/fL3S8v0n3lc?si=6FOO9WF3cWv8v1UN
    I tend to really enjoy shojos that aren't TOO over the top or filled with mega drama, Blue Box is very well done in that style.

    This reminded me to go hunt down the Love Me, Love Me Not movie finally, since I don't think it received any kind of official release, US side (probably because of Covid? I dunno). Like the Ao Haru Ride anime, it's charming but super truncated. I just wish they'd do a full story adaptation for one of Io Sakisaka's works. They can go toe to toe with stuff like A Sign of Affection or My Love Story...

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Apothecary Diaries was intense this week. I was holding my breath.

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Apothecary Diaries was intense this week. I was holding my breath.
    It was incredibly masterful how they pulled in all that stuff into one thread

    fucking lakan

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