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Nope, to my immense frustration.
You know, my friend and I have a theory: it might have to do with the absurd licensing for the show having 14+ different songs to license.
If there's another theory for why one of the biggest shows around has no US release, I'd love to hear it.
https://honeysanime.com/why-chainsaw-mans-anime-failed-in-japan/
It did get a release in the UK, though.
It's still getting a film of the Reze Arc, so that will probably make or break its future. Still, the manga is too successful to turn back now, so I'm pretty sure we'll get an S2 either way.
(Check Amazon if you want an indicator of CSM's success. The manga is huge here.)
The points about how it has a very western-style presentation are all pretty solid arguments. Maybe that's why I loved it so much. It felt fresh in a way most shows don't.
So I'm right there with the japanese audience. I appreciated, intellectually, what Chainsaw man anime was doing. But the anime for me fell flat. Sorry, I know ya'll love it to bits, I'm happy for you I really am. I just can't relate.
iirc, those sales did not include sales direct from MAPPA's store, which was where the most full featured version of the blu-rays was sold
I didn't understand or notice any of the western film references in the opening, and I don't like Tarantino films, that the writer is saying shots in the anime were inspired by, but I loved the CSM anime visually. That seems to be all the argument it is presenting that it is western-style in a way that would alienate japanese viewers.
I'd have to watch it with you like this I think to really explain. I don't think I have the ability to do so with a forum post. I know this probably sounds insane cos lots of insane things happen in that show but I was expecting way more insanely gritty weird energy than I got. I felt like I got a toned down version. Very pretty, but lacking what I wanted.
There's a ton:
This is the most coherent argument I have heard when it comes down to manga peoples disappointment in the adaptation.
The overwhelming chorus however is "NOT ENOUGH TITTY TITTY BOOB BOOBS PERVERT HE WANTS SEEEEXXXXXXXNOT HORNY ENOUGH".
Which I mean, okay sure, not enough manic energy, I get it. But I still fail to see how that trade off would eclipse the fucking titanic amount of work put into every shot and every stylistic choice the anime adaptation made. And I feel like it did have a bit of manic too!
It's the one situation where I feel extremely blessed I never read the manga.
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Sorry for not falling in love with a show correctly I guess. Don't worry I'll never discuss my dumb take again. I knew I shouldn't have brought it up.
An important clarification:
They did pay for the Oasis song for the OP... for the first episode.
The rest of the episodes have the alternative opening song, because it turns out you have to pay them based on how many times it's used or something?
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I think they were phrasing it as you (Morninglord, the poster in question) providing the coherent argument whereas the prevailing (re: loudest most unavoidable) noise bandied about the rest of Internet space was generally weirdos screaming about dumb shit.
I don't think Transporter was trying to lump you in with the pervy weirdos at all, but wanted to draw the contrast between the arguments.
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I don't get the response. You essentially saying it deserved to fail because it wasn't the way you wished it to be is apparently a neutral message that won't rub anyone the wrong way, but people responding that they strongly disagree and it was great actually are just being mean and rude, trying to crush your spirit (instead of... express the opposing opinion of the work). You can hate it and say that you feel that way, but you can also expect that some people will say, "No way, actually," when you do that, because it's a well liked show. There are people around here who will take a dump on Cowboy Bebop whenever it comes up, they're not going to be surprised if people disagree, they just want to say their take as well.
Imo, being a failure to a certain audience could almost be a mark of quality. Because some of the audience has horrible taste (this specifically is about the people from the article, not posters here). How many seasons is Domestic Girlfriend going to get? Whining that they wanted a certain VA (from the article)? Get over it! You have this one, and he did a great job! I also think the show, like the manga has a mixture of tones. It certainly doesn't lack in slapstick or stupid energy, you'd have to be unconscious to miss parts like the nuts devil who appears to kick you in the balls 100 times. Finally, taking it back to Western movies, again, that's clearly a passion of the mangaka. I feel like he definitely appreciated that aspect of the adaptation and wanted it to be that way, so I just find it pretty funny how certain fans are like, "Sigh, this is not capturing the spirit of the original work," when the author is over here saying, "Wow, this is just like my FAVORITE stuff that I reference all of the time! I sure love this! It's so cool!" Literally, he's tweeting that.
I'm sorry, @Johnny Chopsocky is correct, I didn't make the line clear enough.
You're argument is sound and I completely understand and empathize with it.
And I'm not saying you're WRONG in feeling that it didn't have the energy the manga did. I am in fact, agreeing that this is most likely the case. And I can confidently say I would feel the exact same way if I read the manga first, more than likely.
My overall point is, that in this case, I'm glad I didn't read the manga, so I don't have to feel that disappointment in how the anime handled the overall tone of the series.
In a kind and just world, your opinion would be the prevailing one, and it would have sold just fine on blu-ray, and maybe the director would have taken that criticism into account going into season 2 and altered the direction a bit to be more faithful to the manga.
Instead, I fear we're going to get a kneejerk reaction and we'll get the slapstickhahaboobs because dumb people are loud people.
I don't think it deserve to fail. I'm saying I understood why they were disappointed. I didn't want it to fail. I wanted to see what would happen with this strange take! I think there were some parts of the show that would be insanely good if they kept going with it!
I'm just unsurprised it did fail. That has nothing to do with deserving!
I can't both agree and awesome this, so I'll just awesome it and respond with a thankyou for your reasonable response and I agree with you. I do think it's a shame you wont read the manga, and I honestly hope they do make more of this. I hope the movie takes off and they manage to do the whole thing. I really honestly think it has potential.
In an ideal world they make the minor adjustments I want and I will love it like everyone else and then they can finish it and its amazing and then transporter reads the manga!
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Oh yeah in other topics I just caught up with Dungeon Meshi and goddam this is turning out to be exactly the adaption I wanted for this manga. I'm so pleased with this.
"Authors don’t take home the Hugo Award if their books do well in another language. Creative works are—at least in our current, modern society—chiefly deemed successful by their performance in their country of origin. Chainsaw Man is the latest victim of misunderstanding that simple fact; and though we have no doubt the show will make plenty of money through licensing deals overseas, its Blu-Ray sales in Japan are, put frankly, woeful."
So, yes, obviously domestic performance is quite important, but no, money received from foreign releases isn't just ignored. Because that's stupid. Why does this author think movies like Pacific Rim 2 or The Meg 2 got made? Even at a reduced profit rate, if you make a TON of money from the foreign audience, that translates into... money. That you get to keep. The only way to truly flop Chainsaw Man would be to ignore its success in its more popular markets and not try to make sales there... and they're doing that. So THAT'S what the problem actually is. If you don't sell a US Blu-Ray, you can't take advantage of it being much more popular here. If you don't get as good of a percentage, you can tweak the licensing deal to make up for that, rather than just refusing to sell one at all. And Awards are generally based on the supposed quality of a work, not the sales, so what are they even trying to get at there. This whole paragraph is just really dumb, out of date, and backwards. They're trying to be "realistic" and come off as xenophobic and ignorant.
Personally, I read the manga before the anime came out and I loved the anime. I would very much encourage you to read the manga! It's also really good!
Given the metric fuckton of gooseshit that just happened with regards to the most recent Hugo Awards, that statement is horrendously unaware alongside being racist as fuck. And frankly, one of the major issues that the anime/manga industry has currently is how overly insular it is with regards to viewing foreign markets. I mean, the fucking CCP formally acknowledged Toriyama's passing - you'd think they'd realize that they might not have to just cater to a small and frankly toxic consumer base.
Edit: Oh hey, the 2024 Hugo nominees are out, and there's a lot of nods to Chinese language artists, reflecting the ascendance of Chinese SF. Which makes that statement even more ignorant and racist!
On the other hand, with the collective internet going Scorched Earth on that poor director, I have a bad feeling we're not going to get a recreation of season 1's vibe.
For instance, one of the most fondly remembered moments of the show is the stuff with Aki just chilling in the apartment, all of which was new to the anime.
Some people just wanted the manga recreated shot for shot with voices, music, and sound effects, which is what a lot of anime do, so it's an understandable desire. However, given Fujimoto's cinephilia, shooting the anime like it's a movie made loads of sense.
A good example is episode 4/chapter 10:
In the manga, the impact to the reader is from the paneling and the page turn effect. Aki's hand lines up the shot, you turn the page, and the Fox is there
In the anime, Aki lines up the shot, the focus inside his hand changes, time slows down, the sound dims, and then a giant crunch announces the Fox's arrival.
Different strokes, but neither one is "correct." They engage the viewer differently for different dramatic effects.
I fully admit I'm a bit biased, as the forum's biggest Chainsaw Man fan. Sometimes the CSM thread is just me talking to myself, but this work and author resonated with me profoundly, so I can't help but gush about it.
The anime girl was designed by Mengo.
I assume "designed" means she just did the artwork. Otherwise that AI is going to be recommending people 90% degenerate shit and 10% Chainsaw Man.