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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
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    Jragghen wrote: »
    Just realized....Chainsaw Man never got a state-side blu-ray release? The hell?

    Nope, to my immense frustration.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
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    Jragghen wrote: »
    Just realized....Chainsaw Man never got a state-side blu-ray release? The hell?

    You know, my friend and I have a theory: it might have to do with the absurd licensing for the show having 14+ different songs to license.

    If there's another theory for why one of the biggest shows around has no US release, I'd love to hear it.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Didn't it completely bomb in Japan. Regardless of outside popularity, they may not even have the money to try. Especially if they also have to deal with all that.

    https://honeysanime.com/why-chainsaw-mans-anime-failed-in-japan/

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
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    I don't know if it actually completely bombed or some people were being loudly mad at it on japanese messageboards

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
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    It only sold 1,785 copies in its first week in bluerays, which is the only metric for an animes success there. It faceplanted hard.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Didn't it completely bomb in Japan. Regardless of outside popularity, they may not even have the money to try. Especially if they also have to deal with all that.

    https://honeysanime.com/why-chainsaw-mans-anime-failed-in-japan/

    It did get a release in the UK, though.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
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    I'm honestly not hopeful. And if there is, it will be nothing like the first one.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
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    It only sold 1,785 copies in its first week in bluerays, which is the only metric for an animes success there. It faceplanted hard.

    So no CSM season 2?

    I guess I'll call adult swim with both phones

    It's still getting a film of the Reze Arc, so that will probably make or break its future. Still, the manga is too successful to turn back now, so I'm pretty sure we'll get an S2 either way.
    (Check Amazon if you want an indicator of CSM's success. The manga is huge here.)
    Didn't it completely bomb in Japan. Regardless of outside popularity, they may not even have the money to try. Especially if they also have to deal with all that.

    https://honeysanime.com/why-chainsaw-mans-anime-failed-in-japan/

    The points about how it has a very western-style presentation are all pretty solid arguments. Maybe that's why I loved it so much. It felt fresh in a way most shows don't.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
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    That's actually what I didn't like about it. The manga wears its western influences on its sleeve, but it does not forget it's a manga, and it's riffing hard on that medium too. I felt like the anime lost its way. I am not a huge fan of western works tbh, I'm pretty much an otaku in a lot of ways, although I like to think I have some perspective. I can appreciate a good movie. But I actively like and enjoy animated and drawn works far more and most of my media appreciation is set up in like 20 years of that medium with not a lot of exposure to western movie tropes. And I kind of find those tropes a little boring when I do see them.

    So I'm right there with the japanese audience. I appreciated, intellectually, what Chainsaw man anime was doing. But the anime for me fell flat. Sorry, I know ya'll love it to bits, I'm happy for you I really am. I just can't relate.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
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    I have no idea what the CSM anime feeling western means

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    It's very well explained in the article, have a look.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
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    It only sold 1,785 copies in its first week in bluerays, which is the only metric for an animes success there. It faceplanted hard.

    iirc, those sales did not include sales direct from MAPPA's store, which was where the most full featured version of the blu-rays was sold

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
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    Even so, you have to admit that when it goes in for the visuals, it doesn't skimp on the cost.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
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    It's very well explained in the article, have a look.

    I didn't understand or notice any of the western film references in the opening, and I don't like Tarantino films, that the writer is saying shots in the anime were inspired by, but I loved the CSM anime visually. That seems to be all the argument it is presenting that it is western-style in a way that would alienate japanese viewers.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
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    Yeah no, I totally appreciated what it did, I just felt an essential energy was lost. I just wasn't excited about it like I am about the manga. I have tried to express this before and not only did it just, sort of, completely not land at all, but I also got some kinda aggro pushback against it, and I'm not really interested in having that discussion again. This is how I feel, and I'm sorry if that offends anyone.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
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    That's fine, you don't have to like it, I just don't really understand the argument that article is making.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Unfortunately I don't have the correct command of the language of western film making to describe accurately why it felt westernised to me, but the impression I got is that it felt like a hollywood movie in tone, speed, pacing, framing, shots and general energy. It wasn't exactly like a western director, it was still clearly a japanese director who really likes western things or was trying to heavily riff on those tones, but I totally get, instinctively, what that article is saying. I was discussing it with my girlfriend who also read the manga and also watches a lot of anime as we went along, pointing out shot by shot or moment by moment things that seemed toned down, or less energetic, more serious, more dramatic, or how they were trying to change a shot or go for something that felt more like a western show. We both agreed on these things. Neither of us really like it that much.

    I'd have to watch it with you like this I think to really explain. I don't think I have the ability to do so with a forum post. I know this probably sounds insane cos lots of insane things happen in that show but I was expecting way more insanely gritty weird energy than I got. I felt like I got a toned down version. Very pretty, but lacking what I wanted.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    It's very well explained in the article, have a look.

    I didn't understand or notice any of the western film references in the opening, and I don't like Tarantino films, that the writer is saying shots in the anime were inspired by, but I loved the CSM anime visually. That seems to be all the argument it is presenting that it is western-style in a way that would alienate japanese viewers.

    There's a ton:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow0eoZJ1QvA

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
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    Literally every work by the Chainsaw Man author is like... he's a major cinephile, he's constantly dropping movie references (specifically, Western movie references) to the level of something like an Edgar Wright movie. So when the Chainsaw Man anime came out... surprise! It was referencing and paying homage to Western movies a lot. This is the most on brand way it could have possibly been, so I'm giving bombastic side eye to people who think that was bad or inappropriate. It was EXTREMELY appropriate. That doesn't mean anyone has to like it, I just think a lot of the reasons given sound... not good.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
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    Unfortunately I don't have the correct command of the language of western film making to describe accurately why it felt westernised to me, but the impression I got is that it felt like a hollywood movie in tone, speed, pacing, framing, shots and general energy. It wasn't exactly like a western director, it was still clearly a japanese director who really likes western things or was trying to heavily riff on those tones, but I totally get, instinctively, what that article is saying. I was discussing it with my girlfriend who also read the manga and also watches a lot of anime as we went along, pointing out shot by shot or moment by moment things that seemed toned down, or less energetic, more serious, more dramatic, or how they were trying to change a shot or go for something that felt more like a western show. We both agreed on these things. Neither of us really like it that much.

    I'd have to watch it with you like this I think to really explain. I don't think I have the ability to do so with a forum post. I know this probably sounds insane cos lots of insane things happen in that show but I was expecting way more insanely gritty weird energy than I got. I felt like I got a toned down version. Very pretty, but lacking what I wanted.

    This is the most coherent argument I have heard when it comes down to manga peoples disappointment in the adaptation.

    The overwhelming chorus however is "NOT ENOUGH TITTY TITTY BOOB BOOBS PERVERT HE WANTS SEEEEXXXXXXXNOT HORNY ENOUGH".

    Which I mean, okay sure, not enough manic energy, I get it. But I still fail to see how that trade off would eclipse the fucking titanic amount of work put into every shot and every stylistic choice the anime adaptation made. And I feel like it did have a bit of manic too!

    It's the one situation where I feel extremely blessed I never read the manga.

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    just started The Apothecary Diaries and this show is a fuckin' delight

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
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    Yeah see. Pseudo aggressive pushback. I can dislike it, but I'm clearly not sound of mind, gotta give the big sideye. Imply all I want is titties etc. I don't have to like it, but no respect for that position at all, even though I completely understand and respect those who like it myself, and I actually heavily respect what it tried to do. It just wasn't for me.

    Sorry for not falling in love with a show correctly I guess. Don't worry I'll never discuss my dumb take again. I knew I shouldn't have brought it up.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Jragghen wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Just realized....Chainsaw Man never got a state-side blu-ray release? The hell?

    You know, my friend and I have a theory: it might have to do with the absurd licensing for the show having 14+ different songs to license.

    If there's another theory for why one of the biggest shows around has no US release, I'd love to hear it.

    I mean, I don't think it's that. There's an easy way around it: pick another song (or more likely, just one of the songs) and use it for the whole anime. Sucks, but it's been done before due to music licensing stuff.

    Here's the Eden of the East OP in Japan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pdqeu9LW2c

    Here's the Eden of the East OP in America, because they didn't want to pay the licensing costs of having an Oasis song (yes, you read that right) as an OP:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRLWcP07HgQ

    An important clarification:

    They did pay for the Oasis song for the OP... for the first episode.

    The rest of the episodes have the alternative opening song, because it turns out you have to pay them based on how many times it's used or something?

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah see. Pseudo aggressive pushback. I can dislike it, but I'm clearly not sound of mind, gotta give the big sideye. Imply all I want is titties etc. I don't have to like it, but no respect for that position at all, even though I completely understand and respect those who like it myself, and I actually heavily respect what it tried to do. It just wasn't for me.

    Sorry for not falling in love with a show correctly I guess. Don't worry I'll never discuss my dumb take again. I knew I shouldn't have brought it up.

    I think they were phrasing it as you (Morninglord, the poster in question) providing the coherent argument whereas the prevailing (re: loudest most unavoidable) noise bandied about the rest of Internet space was generally weirdos screaming about dumb shit.

    I don't think Transporter was trying to lump you in with the pervy weirdos at all, but wanted to draw the contrast between the arguments.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah see. Pseudo aggressive pushback. I can dislike it, but I'm clearly not sound of mind, gotta give the big sideye. Imply all I want is titties etc. I don't have to like it, but no respect for that position at all, even though I completely understand and respect those who like it myself, and I actually heavily respect what it tried to do. It just wasn't for me.

    Sorry for not falling in love with a show correctly I guess. Don't worry I'll never discuss my dumb take again. I knew I shouldn't have brought it up.

    I don't get the response. You essentially saying it deserved to fail because it wasn't the way you wished it to be is apparently a neutral message that won't rub anyone the wrong way, but people responding that they strongly disagree and it was great actually are just being mean and rude, trying to crush your spirit (instead of... express the opposing opinion of the work). You can hate it and say that you feel that way, but you can also expect that some people will say, "No way, actually," when you do that, because it's a well liked show. There are people around here who will take a dump on Cowboy Bebop whenever it comes up, they're not going to be surprised if people disagree, they just want to say their take as well.

    Imo, being a failure to a certain audience could almost be a mark of quality. Because some of the audience has horrible taste (this specifically is about the people from the article, not posters here). How many seasons is Domestic Girlfriend going to get? Whining that they wanted a certain VA (from the article)? Get over it! You have this one, and he did a great job! I also think the show, like the manga has a mixture of tones. It certainly doesn't lack in slapstick or stupid energy, you'd have to be unconscious to miss parts like the nuts devil who appears to kick you in the balls 100 times. Finally, taking it back to Western movies, again, that's clearly a passion of the mangaka. I feel like he definitely appreciated that aspect of the adaptation and wanted it to be that way, so I just find it pretty funny how certain fans are like, "Sigh, this is not capturing the spirit of the original work," when the author is over here saying, "Wow, this is just like my FAVORITE stuff that I reference all of the time! I sure love this! It's so cool!" Literally, he's tweeting that.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah see. Pseudo aggressive pushback. I can dislike it, but I'm clearly not sound of mind, gotta give the big sideye. Imply all I want is titties etc. I don't have to like it, but no respect for that position at all, even though I completely understand and respect those who like it myself, and I actually heavily respect what it tried to do. It just wasn't for me.

    Sorry for not falling in love with a show correctly I guess. Don't worry I'll never discuss my dumb take again. I knew I shouldn't have brought it up.

    I'm sorry, @Johnny Chopsocky is correct, I didn't make the line clear enough.

    You're argument is sound and I completely understand and empathize with it.

    And I'm not saying you're WRONG in feeling that it didn't have the energy the manga did. I am in fact, agreeing that this is most likely the case. And I can confidently say I would feel the exact same way if I read the manga first, more than likely.

    My overall point is, that in this case, I'm glad I didn't read the manga, so I don't have to feel that disappointment in how the anime handled the overall tone of the series.

    In a kind and just world, your opinion would be the prevailing one, and it would have sold just fine on blu-ray, and maybe the director would have taken that criticism into account going into season 2 and altered the direction a bit to be more faithful to the manga.

    Instead, I fear we're going to get a kneejerk reaction and we'll get the slapstickhahaboobs because dumb people are loud people.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah see. Pseudo aggressive pushback. I can dislike it, but I'm clearly not sound of mind, gotta give the big sideye. Imply all I want is titties etc. I don't have to like it, but no respect for that position at all, even though I completely understand and respect those who like it myself, and I actually heavily respect what it tried to do. It just wasn't for me.

    Sorry for not falling in love with a show correctly I guess. Don't worry I'll never discuss my dumb take again. I knew I shouldn't have brought it up.

    I don't get the response. You essentially saying it deserved to fail because it wasn't the way you wished it to be is apparently a neutral message that won't rub anyone the wrong way, but people responding that they strongly disagree and it was great actually are just being mean and rude, trying to crush your spirit (instead of... express the opposing opinion of the work). You can hate it and say that you feel that way, but you can also expect that some people will say, "No way, actually," when you do that, because it's a well liked show. There are people around here who will take a dump on Cowboy Bebop whenever it comes up, they're not going to be surprised if people disagree, they just want to say their take as well.

    Imo, being a failure to a certain audience could almost be a mark of quality. Because some of the audience has horrible taste (this specifically is about the people from the article, not posters here). How many seasons is Domestic Girlfriend going to get? Whining that they wanted a certain VA (from the article)? Get over it! You have this one, and he did a great job! I also think the show, like the manga has a mixture of tones. It certainly doesn't lack in slapstick or stupid energy, you'd have to be unconscious to miss parts like the nuts devil who appears to kick you in the balls 100 times. Finally, taking it back to Western movies, again, that's clearly a passion of the mangaka. I feel like he definitely appreciated that aspect of the adaptation and wanted it to be that way, so I just find it pretty funny how certain fans are like, "Sigh, this is not capturing the spirit of the original work," when the author is over here saying, "Wow, this is just like my FAVORITE stuff that I reference all of the time! I sure love this! It's so cool!" Literally, he's tweeting that.

    I don't think it deserve to fail. I'm saying I understood why they were disappointed. I didn't want it to fail. I wanted to see what would happen with this strange take! I think there were some parts of the show that would be insanely good if they kept going with it!

    I'm just unsurprised it did fail. That has nothing to do with deserving!

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah see. Pseudo aggressive pushback. I can dislike it, but I'm clearly not sound of mind, gotta give the big sideye. Imply all I want is titties etc. I don't have to like it, but no respect for that position at all, even though I completely understand and respect those who like it myself, and I actually heavily respect what it tried to do. It just wasn't for me.

    Sorry for not falling in love with a show correctly I guess. Don't worry I'll never discuss my dumb take again. I knew I shouldn't have brought it up.

    I'm sorry, @Johnny Chopsocky is correct, I didn't make the line clear enough.

    You're argument is sound and I completely understand and empathize with it.

    And I'm not saying you're WRONG in feeling that it didn't have the energy the manga did. I am in fact, agreeing that this is most likely the case. And I can confidently say I would feel the exact same way if I read the manga first, more than likely.

    My overall point is, that in this case, I'm glad I didn't read the manga, so I don't have to feel that disappointment in how the anime handled the overall tone of the series.

    In a kind and just world, your opinion would be the prevailing one, and it would have sold just fine on blu-ray, and maybe the director would have taken that criticism into account going into season 2 and altered the direction a bit to be more faithful to the manga.

    Instead, I fear we're going to get a kneejerk reaction and we'll get the slapstickhahaboobs because dumb people are loud people.

    I can't both agree and awesome this, so I'll just awesome it and respond with a thankyou for your reasonable response and I agree with you. I do think it's a shame you wont read the manga, and I honestly hope they do make more of this. I hope the movie takes off and they manage to do the whole thing. I really honestly think it has potential.

    In an ideal world they make the minor adjustments I want and I will love it like everyone else and then they can finish it and its amazing and then transporter reads the manga!

    edit:

    Oh yeah in other topics I just caught up with Dungeon Meshi and goddam this is turning out to be exactly the adaption I wanted for this manga. I'm so pleased with this.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Also, coming back to this because it made me mad. From the article,

    "Authors don’t take home the Hugo Award if their books do well in another language. Creative works are—at least in our current, modern society—chiefly deemed successful by their performance in their country of origin. Chainsaw Man is the latest victim of misunderstanding that simple fact; and though we have no doubt the show will make plenty of money through licensing deals overseas, its Blu-Ray sales in Japan are, put frankly, woeful."

    So, yes, obviously domestic performance is quite important, but no, money received from foreign releases isn't just ignored. Because that's stupid. Why does this author think movies like Pacific Rim 2 or The Meg 2 got made? Even at a reduced profit rate, if you make a TON of money from the foreign audience, that translates into... money. That you get to keep. The only way to truly flop Chainsaw Man would be to ignore its success in its more popular markets and not try to make sales there... and they're doing that. So THAT'S what the problem actually is. If you don't sell a US Blu-Ray, you can't take advantage of it being much more popular here. If you don't get as good of a percentage, you can tweak the licensing deal to make up for that, rather than just refusing to sell one at all. And Awards are generally based on the supposed quality of a work, not the sales, so what are they even trying to get at there. This whole paragraph is just really dumb, out of date, and backwards. They're trying to be "realistic" and come off as xenophobic and ignorant.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Unfortunately I don't have the correct command of the language of western film making to describe accurately why it felt westernised to me, but the impression I got is that it felt like a hollywood movie in tone, speed, pacing, framing, shots and general energy. It wasn't exactly like a western director, it was still clearly a japanese director who really likes western things or was trying to heavily riff on those tones, but I totally get, instinctively, what that article is saying. I was discussing it with my girlfriend who also read the manga and also watches a lot of anime as we went along, pointing out shot by shot or moment by moment things that seemed toned down, or less energetic, more serious, more dramatic, or how they were trying to change a shot or go for something that felt more like a western show. We both agreed on these things. Neither of us really like it that much.

    I'd have to watch it with you like this I think to really explain. I don't think I have the ability to do so with a forum post. I know this probably sounds insane cos lots of insane things happen in that show but I was expecting way more insanely gritty weird energy than I got. I felt like I got a toned down version. Very pretty, but lacking what I wanted.

    This is the most coherent argument I have heard when it comes down to manga peoples disappointment in the adaptation.

    The overwhelming chorus however is "NOT ENOUGH TITTY TITTY BOOB BOOBS PERVERT HE WANTS SEEEEXXXXXXXNOT HORNY ENOUGH".

    Which I mean, okay sure, not enough manic energy, I get it. But I still fail to see how that trade off would eclipse the fucking titanic amount of work put into every shot and every stylistic choice the anime adaptation made. And I feel like it did have a bit of manic too!

    It's the one situation where I feel extremely blessed I never read the manga.

    Personally, I read the manga before the anime came out and I loved the anime. I would very much encourage you to read the manga! It's also really good!

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Also, coming back to this because it made me mad. From the article,

    "Authors don’t take home the Hugo Award if their books do well in another language. Creative works are—at least in our current, modern society—chiefly deemed successful by their performance in their country of origin. Chainsaw Man is the latest victim of misunderstanding that simple fact; and though we have no doubt the show will make plenty of money through licensing deals overseas, its Blu-Ray sales in Japan are, put frankly, woeful."

    So, yes, obviously domestic performance is quite important, but no, money received from foreign releases isn't just ignored. Because that's stupid. Why does this author think movies like Pacific Rim 2 or The Meg 2 got made? Even at a reduced profit rate, if you make a TON of money from the foreign audience, that translates into... money. That you get to keep. The only way to truly flop Chainsaw Man would be to ignore its success in its more popular markets and not try to make sales there... and they're doing that. So THAT'S what the problem actually is. If you don't sell a US Blu-Ray, you can't take advantage of it being much more popular here. If you don't get as good of a percentage, you can tweak the licensing deal to make up for that, rather than just refusing to sell one at all. And Awards are generally based on the supposed quality of a work, not the sales, so what are they even trying to get at there. This whole paragraph is just really dumb, out of date, and backwards. They're trying to be "realistic" and come off as xenophobic and ignorant.

    Given the metric fuckton of gooseshit that just happened with regards to the most recent Hugo Awards, that statement is horrendously unaware alongside being racist as fuck. And frankly, one of the major issues that the anime/manga industry has currently is how overly insular it is with regards to viewing foreign markets. I mean, the fucking CCP formally acknowledged Toriyama's passing - you'd think they'd realize that they might not have to just cater to a small and frankly toxic consumer base.

    Edit: Oh hey, the 2024 Hugo nominees are out, and there's a lot of nods to Chinese language artists, reflecting the ascendance of Chinese SF. Which makes that statement even more ignorant and racist!

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    I like the CSM manga and all, but the anime is a lot more willing to let the show breathe and give it more fleshed out moments, so I'm much more looking forward to the anime adaptation, especially of the Reze arc.

    On the other hand, with the collective internet going Scorched Earth on that poor director, I have a bad feeling we're not going to get a recreation of season 1's vibe.

    For instance, one of the most fondly remembered moments of the show is the stuff with Aki just chilling in the apartment, all of which was new to the anime.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    He really didn't deserve it I thought it was a fine artistic adaption even if I'm not a fan, he has a lot of talent.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    The Chainsaw Man anime played to the strengths of an animated medium, whereas the Chainsaw Man manga plays to the strength of a still medium. They tried to do something different with the anime, and in my opinion succeeded wildly.

    Some people just wanted the manga recreated shot for shot with voices, music, and sound effects, which is what a lot of anime do, so it's an understandable desire. However, given Fujimoto's cinephilia, shooting the anime like it's a movie made loads of sense.

    A good example is episode 4/chapter 10:
    When Aki summons Kon
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    In the manga, the impact to the reader is from the paneling and the page turn effect. Aki's hand lines up the shot, you turn the page, and the Fox is there

    In the anime, Aki lines up the shot, the focus inside his hand changes, time slows down, the sound dims, and then a giant crunch announces the Fox's arrival.

    Different strokes, but neither one is "correct." They engage the viewer differently for different dramatic effects.

    I fully admit I'm a bit biased, as the forum's biggest Chainsaw Man fan. Sometimes the CSM thread is just me talking to myself, but this work and author resonated with me profoundly, so I can't help but gush about it.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    You would have to fight me for that position. It's my no 1 manga by far.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Next month Shueisha is launching a service in Japan where an AI anime girl will recommend you manga based on your conversation with her.

    The anime girl was designed by Mengo.

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    I assume "designed" means she just did the artwork. Otherwise that AI is going to be recommending people 90% degenerate shit and 10% Chainsaw Man.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Hey, waitasec, that's the same breakdown as my recommendations to people.

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