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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »
    It wouldn't be a shonen series if all the villains didn't become friends

    I mean, it doesn't really even happen in the other two Big 3

    Well One piece even if they dont like Luffy a lot of the villians end up as allies in some manner

    the two major villains sure as fuck won't

    and dudes like crocodile and smoker don't like luffy and only help the strawhats when shit is bad

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Yeah uh

    Vegeta and Piccolo are two of Goku's closest allies and friends

    Plus the Androids, Buu and Beerus

    And One Piece has had everything from rival captains to Navy officials take a liking to Luffy and either work with him or aid him

    The reason I think Naruto does it best is that where the other two largely have the dynamic be WOW HE IS STRONGER THAN ME AND COULD BEAT ME BUT YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S ACTUALLY NOT A BAD GUY

    Naruto honestly maybe couldn't beat some of the bad guys in a fight and finds common ground with them via the pain and heartbreak he has experienced in his life and how he overcame it, wanting to help them do the same

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Mr. G wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »
    It wouldn't be a shonen series if all the villains didn't become friends

    I mean, it doesn't really even happen in the other two Big 3

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    dbz is not part of the Big 3

    EDIT: and they're not even friends, they're enemies who want to fuck and fight alongside each other so the universe doesn't poof

    frieze would 100% murder the entire gokrew if he could get away with it

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Yeah it happens a buunch in One Piece.

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  • crwthcrwth THAT'S IT Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    bigger than the big 3

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  • crwthcrwth THAT'S IT Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    huge 1

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    In what world are Naruto, One Piece and DBZ not the biggest shonen series of all time

    I mean
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    Shonen Jump sure thinks so!

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    yeah what are the big 3 if you're not including dragonball

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  • Rorshach BastardRorshach Bastard that crustache life Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    stop getting heated about japanimation

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    the big 3 is the nickname given to one piece, bleach, and naruto due to all coming out at roughly the same time and kicking off the second wave of shonen popularity after dbgt basically killed it

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    The big 3 was Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach because they ran concurrently. DBZ was already over, so it was not included in that group.

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Bleach was popular once.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    Bleach was popular once.

    it was the most popular!
    and then it died for a lot of reasons and then the popularity nosedived

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    is boruto pretty goddamn popular in japan too


    I mean bolt

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  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Depends what we consider the Big 3 I suppose, right? There are a lot of early antagonists / villains that become friends or at least allies in many different Shonen shows, though certainly not every villain gets redeemed in every show.

    It's not restricted to Shonen either, unless Nanoha counts as Shonen? I'm not really sure.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    is boruto pretty goddamn popular in japan too


    I mean bolt

    my son is also named bort

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    is boruto pretty goddamn popular in japan too


    I mean bolt

    my son is also named bort

    plz don't get norted

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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    It should be Bolt because his uncle Neji's name means screw, and his grandfather's signature technique was called 'lightning rod' (or flying thunder god, depending on how you read it). It's a bilingual pun.

    Also, Bolt Uzumaki sounds cooler, if you ask me.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    I learned as I was reading it that, apparently, people hate that he talks so many villains down?

    It baffles me, as it is basically my favorite part of the series.

    Naruto being this super powerful, excitable ninja prodigy that instead often resolves conflict by finding common ground and empathy with his foes and making them question why they are fighting in the first place is SO MUCH BETTER than fuckin punching everyone who is a bad guy.

    multiple characters essentially tried to commit genocide, and then were promptly forgiven with literally no consequence

    empathy is good, lack of consequence is not

    actually, it is good.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Bleach turned all of the Shinigami into allies.

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  • notyanotya Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Naruto was so so so great when naruto and co were just genin (baby ninjas). The overall feel was whimsical and fun, with occasional hints of real danger. It was a delight to read and watch.

    But then they had to grow up and raise the stakes and get all grim dark edgy and IT. WENT. TO. SHIT. Sure, the art improved and the world building was interesting. But the tone never became fun to read again.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Hello I just finished reading all 700 chapters of Naruto and BOY do I have opinions

    IMHO Naruto is a big fucking mess, but there's a lot of neat ideas and cool characters in there. Thankfully, I've found a bunch of fun fanworks that try to unpack the good from the bad and do something more carefully thought out with it.

    Some of my complaints off the top of my head
    1. Naruto is so ridiculously predestined by the end that I feel like it robs his achievements of any sense of agency
    2. I feel like Naruto's 'hope of the world' arc would've made more sense to end with him deciding he'd surpassed being Hokage (after all, he wanted it for the recognition/validation, but everyone already acknowledges him as a hero after the Konoha Invasion arc) and becoming a wandering diplomat/spiritual leader like the Sage of Six Paths wanted for his sons. Let the Hokage be someone who actually cares about procedure and policy, a more professional ninja. But this is probably somewhat influenced by my frustrations with how our current political climate IRL has been affected by the vilification of experts and the glorification of political outsiders
    3. Sakura's growth from silly lovestruck little girl to world-leading medical expert and superstrength brawler at only 17 years old would've made for a much more interesting central narrative. Especially because she's basically this setting's equivalent of a bad-ass normal; no demon contained in her, no inherited powers, just hard-work and honed techniques
    4. The first big Uchiha plot twist wasn't a bad idea, but hoo boy was the way it was written a mess (honestly, how the hell else did Itachi think things were gonna play out?)
    5. Anko was such a wasted opportunity. At the end of the Chuunin exams, she's the loyalist former protege of the big bad, she's got a cursed seal like Sauce does yet learned to keep it under control, and she's just a fun character besides. She should've been a big part of the series moving forward

    #6, the Rock Lee vs Gaara fight is still dope

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I never read all of Naruto, and I'm sure as heck not gonna now

    I remember Orochimaru having a nice run as big bad and then just sort of getting tossed out in a weirdly rushed way

    I wonder if he just had shitty popularity ratings or something

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    I don't think MHA has had any of the villains become good guys...

    Except for Bakugo.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Naruto never stopped being fun to me

    Got a bit heavier at times, sure, but even the early days had shit like Gaara's childhood

    It maintained a fairly consistent tone in my experience

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Sorry, Stain turns into a good guy? I know I’ve only been following the anime, but what?

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Stain is a real stretch

    All he does is save Midoryia

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  • DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Stain is a real stretch

    All he does is save Midoryia

    Even that was not a "change of heart" so much as the opposite. Stain's ideals never wavered he simply decided that Midoriya was worthy.

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    edited April 22
    Enlong wrote: »
    Sorry, Stain turns into a good guy? I know I’ve only been following the anime, but what?

    Yeah he changes his name to Bleach so he can wipe out his past sins, it’s nuts

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Enlong wrote: »
    Sorry, Stain turns into a good guy? I know I’ve only been following the anime, but what?

    Yeah he changes his name to Bleach so he can wipe out his past sins, it’s nuts

    I hear his popularity nosedived shortly after he finished

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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    edited April 22
    though it's coming back in a big way

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Whippy wrote: »
    though it's coming back in a big way

    in pog form!

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    I don't think MHA has had any of the villains become good guys...

    Except for Bakugo.

    Well if we're counting Bakugo then there's Endeavor.

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Was Bakugo really a villain

    I thought he was just an asshole

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