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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Actual literal sexual predator Minoru Mineta is more of a villain than Bakugo

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Was Bakugo really a villain

    I thought he was just an asshole

    He serves as an antagonist of sorts early on, but yeah - he's mostly just got a terrible personality. He wants to do the right thing, he's just bad at it. He transitions into a more typical rival role after a while, but he's still got that awful personality.

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Not a villain but definitely an antagonist

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  • SixshotStrikerSixshotStriker Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I think we may need to revisit the definitions of villain, antagonist and possibly rival.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I think we may need to revisit the definitions of villain, antagonist and possibly rival.

    I'd have to refresh my memory, but... he's totally an antagonist in the first arc or two.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    Bakugo is 100% a rival, and at times an antihero.

    He's not really an antagonist, and he's definitely not a villain.

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Speaking of MHA, has the English dub of season 4 all been released yet? I keep meaning to get started on it, but I’m too invested in the English cast to swap now.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Speaking of MHA, has the English dub of season 4 all been released yet? I keep meaning to get started on it, but I’m too invested in the English cast to swap now.

    It is a Simuldub on the Funimation app. They did fall behind because of Covid, but have apparently found a way to continue and have started releasing new episodes again.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Being an antagonist isn't a character trait like being a villain or a rival, it just means being in opposition to the protagonist in some way in the current moment of the plot. Bakugo's definitely an antagonist in the early chapters where he's bullying midoriya and when they're fighting each other in training battles.

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  • WearingGlassesWearingGlasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Bakugo's "fuck you" to the villains who want him to join The Dark Side was pretty awesome.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    Being an antagonist isn't a character trait like being a villain or a rival, it just means being in opposition to the protagonist in some way in the current moment of the plot. Bakugo's definitely an antagonist in the early chapters where he's bullying midoriya and when they're fighting each other in training battles.

    Yeah at times he takes up the role of being an antagonist briefly, but I'd argue that using the term for anyone who is temporarily opposed to the protagonist can be really murky really quickly in a story that is this long and with a cast this big, because that happens basically any time there is training, a disagreement or some sort of tournament thing.

    Bakugo has definitely served as a temporary antagonist more often than most other indefinite cast members, though, which is why he's absolutely a rival character.

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  • SixshotStrikerSixshotStriker Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Giving this a quick once over, with a limited understanding of the terms.

    Bakugo: Starts in an antagonistic capacity and then has a slow transition to rival that doesn't finish until his fight against Midoriya after Kamino Ward.
    Todoroki: I'd guess antagonist during the Sports Festival, then transitions to friend? I'd say a similar journey to Bakugo's only much faster.
    Stain: Villain. Full stop.
    Gentile: Villain. A sympathetic one but a villain none the less.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    You can't really use the terms antagonist and villain in the same contexts. An antagonist is someone whose goal is directly opposing that of the protagonist. A villain can be either of those roles and same with the hero, depending on the story.

    Bakugo was definitely an antagonist for the first part of the story. His goal ran directly counter to Deku's and they clashed as a result. When that stopped, after the initial protect the bomb exercise, he shifted to the role of the deuteragonist, the person who is second in importance behind the protagonist. Immediately after is when Shigaraki assumed the role of antagonist, which he's held ever since.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Gentile is an anti-villain, probably.

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  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Hello it's me the only person in this forum who prefers Minata over Bakugo
    I guess it's based on my personal experience seeing bullies getting away with everything with no consequences while being loved by everyone

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Peas wrote: »
    Hello it's me the only person in this forum who prefers Minata over Bakugo
    I guess it's based on my personal experience seeing bullies getting away with everything with no consequences while being loved by everyone

    Bakugo isn't loved by anyone though. The entire class calls him a shit with a bad personality to his face.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    uhhhh are those MHA manga spoilers? there's at least one name mentioned there that I don't recognise as only an anime watcher.......

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    Peas wrote: »
    Hello it's me the only person in this forum who prefers Minata over Bakugo
    I guess it's based on my personal experience seeing bullies getting away with everything with no consequences while being loved by everyone

    I have really mixed feelings about Bakugo as well. I am not super fond of him, and I find the lack of disciplining, support or counselling he got from the teachers at UA to be super unrealistic and frustrating, but I've come to like him a lot more than I first expected to. He's definitely not in my top 10 characters of the show, though.

    But Mineta is like, roughly as "bad" as Bakugo is in terms of harassing and being harmful to others- he does at least one count of sexual harassment or even assault (usually attempted tho) in each episode he appears in. He's just gross, not at all funny, and has never served a purpose in any part of the story that could've have been done by any other student. So he's both gross and pointless. That puts him at the bottom spot for me in the entire cast without question.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Anzekay wrote: »
    uhhhh are those MHA manga spoilers? there's at least one name mentioned there that I don't recognise as only an anime watcher.......

    Everyone mentioned on this page has been in the Anime, so assuming you're uptodate with the anime, no spoilers

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    Anzekay wrote: »
    uhhhh are those MHA manga spoilers? there's at least one name mentioned there that I don't recognise as only an anime watcher.......

    Everyone mentioned on this page has been in the Anime, so assuming you're uptodate with the anime, no spoilers

    I'm in the final few episodes of the anime, I just don't recognise anyone called "Gentile" at all.

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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    edited April 22
    that's because his name is Gentle (Criminal), not Gentile. those are a different thing

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  • SixshotStrikerSixshotStriker Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I meant Gentle Criminal.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    ohhhhhh okay right yeah haha

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  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Peas wrote: »
    Hello it's me the only person in this forum who prefers Minata over Bakugo
    I guess it's based on my personal experience seeing bullies getting away with everything with no consequences while being loved by everyone

    I have really mixed feelings about Bakugo as well. I am not super fond of him, and I find the lack of disciplining, support or counselling he got from the teachers at UA to be super unrealistic and frustrating, but I've come to like him a lot more than I first expected to. He's definitely not in my top 10 characters of the show, though.

    But Mineta is like, roughly as "bad" as Bakugo is in terms of harassing and being harmful to others- he does at least one count of sexual harassment or even assault (usually attempted tho) in each episode he appears in. He's just gross, not at all funny, and has never served a purpose in any part of the story that could've have been done by any other student. So he's both gross and pointless. That puts him at the bottom spot for me in the entire cast without question.

    For me the difference is how Mineta gets called out and punished while people straight up just ignore Bakugo's actions and fawn over him constantly because he's strong, competent and confident

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  • P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    i dont feel like the other characters really fawn over bakugo. its mainly that he gets a pass for his character flaw of telling people to die in the same way mineta's sexual harassment stuff is given an "oh, you!" treatment (except at least in the provisional licensing arc it was addressed hey, this is actually a problem, stop being a shithead bakugo)

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Also Bakugo has the bonus of being super-competent with his quirk, and trying to be better. Mineta basically just pisses himself and hides, and doesn't actively try to be a better person.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    For me the best character in Naruto was Might Guy, hands down.

    1) He is consistently awesome in ridiculous ways
    2) He plays the goof a lot, but is actually highly competent and serious when he needs to be
    3) He is consistently written as self-sacrificing, and actually backs that up by being self-sacrificing
    4) The end of his character arc is constantly foreshadowed throughout part II, and holy shit it's basically the best thing in the entire series when it pays off

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    For me the best character in Naruto was Might Guy, hands down.

    1) He is consistently awesome in ridiculous ways
    2) He plays the goof a lot, but is actually highly competent and serious when he needs to be
    3) He is consistently written as self-sacrificing, and actually backs that up by being self-sacrificing
    4) The end of his character arc is constantly foreshadowed throughout part II, and holy shit it's basically the best thing in the entire series when it pays off
    And he also shows up in Boruto wheelchair-bound, but that doesn't stop him in any real way. Dude still does walking push-ups and jumps from building to building like he's got working legs.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    On the one hand, Bakugo’s classmates by and large don’t take him seriously, and bust his chops for having a bad personality. On the other hand, he has at least one person who considers him a legitimate friend, in Kirishima, so there are in fact people who like him.

    On the one hand, Bakugo hasn’t been an actual bully to anyone for a while, (arguably since entering the school, more arguably since the bomb exercise) and Izuku’s narration basically says he changed since the slime attack. On the other hand, nobody’s directly confronted him for how he acted before, when he was a legit and awful bully. Heck, Todoroki got an arc where his actions came back to bite him, and that was just based on him being aloof that one time!

    On the one hand, Bakugo seems to understand how bad his behavior was, and that other kids shouldn’t do what he did. On the other hand, that realization still hasn’t gotten him to apologize for that behavior (I know it would most likely result in Izuku saying it’s not a big deal anymore, but still).

    ...so it’s a mixed bag in terms of how his character is handled.

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    I super, super loved the entire Gentle arc this season in MHA
    And not just because I've been playing a Carmen Sandiego expy in a super hero RP lately who's a hero now with a hidden past as a super villain, nooooo

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Mysst wrote: »
    Whippy wrote: »
    that's because his name is Gentle (Criminal), not Gentile. those are a different thing

    I mean, they don't have to be

    I always wondered if hus name was supposed to be Smooth Criminal and that was to much even for Japan's lax copyright laws

    See also: Alien Queen

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Thing is that the word "gentle" legitimately works with his power and self-proclaimed philosophy, moreso than "smooth" would.

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Was Bakugo really a villain

    I thought he was just an asshole

    https://youtu.be/PsARNhjWdHc

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  • J-bobJ-bob J-bob in games Death MountainRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    So I finally caught up to Chainsaw Man and

    Yo

    That comic's dope.

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Watching some of that Love, Chunibyo and Other Delusions.

    Big fan of the nap girl.

    She's got it figured out.

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Was Bakugo really a villain

    I thought he was just an asshole

    https://youtu.be/PsARNhjWdHc

    NO JOKES IN THE ANIME THREAD

    This is serious discussion for Real Otakonnoisseurs

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Peas wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Peas wrote: »
    Hello it's me the only person in this forum who prefers Minata over Bakugo
    I guess it's based on my personal experience seeing bullies getting away with everything with no consequences while being loved by everyone

    I have really mixed feelings about Bakugo as well. I am not super fond of him, and I find the lack of disciplining, support or counselling he got from the teachers at UA to be super unrealistic and frustrating, but I've come to like him a lot more than I first expected to. He's definitely not in my top 10 characters of the show, though.

    But Mineta is like, roughly as "bad" as Bakugo is in terms of harassing and being harmful to others- he does at least one count of sexual harassment or even assault (usually attempted tho) in each episode he appears in. He's just gross, not at all funny, and has never served a purpose in any part of the story that could've have been done by any other student. So he's both gross and pointless. That puts him at the bottom spot for me in the entire cast without question.

    For me the difference is how Mineta gets called out and punished while people straight up just ignore Bakugo's actions and fawn over him constantly because he's strong, competent and confident

    Bakugo is praised for his extreme skill at hero related action skills because he's a prodigy at those things. His personality has been criticized by:
    -All of his classmates
    -Class B
    -Everyone who watched the sports festival
    -Villains assumed he was one of them (which is a pretty massive criticism if you aspire to being the world's greatest hero)
    -His school (he failed getting a provisional license and had to take remedial classes to get a second crack at it)
    -His own mom, who openly called him a shit when speaking to his teachers
    -And the job market, when he got almost no internship offers after winning the sports festival, because he came off as dangerously unhinged

    I really don't think the story has encouraged him being an ass, it's more like it has recognized that some (Kirishima, that little fangirl of his in the second movie) would look past that anyway because he's a handsome and talented prodigy.

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