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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Trying to figure out where to start with the Fate series is extremely confusing

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Trying to figure out where to start with the Fate series is extremely confusing

    Probably the ufotable Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works anime, then Fate/Zero.

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  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Trying to figure out where to start with the Fate series is extremely confusing

    Honestly, you could watch either Fate/Zero or Fate/Stay Night: UBW and then move on to pretty much any of them.

    The only one that really requires specific, previous knowledge is Case Files, which is a direct follow-up to Waver's arc in Fate/Zero.

    The other TV shows just require that you have a basic understanding of how the universe functions, which both Zero and UBW provide, because in terms of the story they're just off doing their own thing.

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I actually liked Fate Apocrypha a lot

    That thing has some BUDGET

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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    To expand on Stilts' post:
    • Fate/Zero is a prequel to Fate/Stay Night; you don't need to know anything from FSN for it
    • Fate/Stay Night was the original work, so it doesn't expect you to know about anything else
    • Case Files is a spin-off of Fate/Zero about the further adventures of a supporting character
    • IIRC The rest aren't even always in the same timeline/universe as F0-CF-FSN.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel based on different routes through the original Fate/Stay Night visual novel?

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  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I actually liked Fate Apocrypha a lot

    That thing has some BUDGET

    I wanted to like it, but I found the plot to be excruciatingly dull for the first 12 episodes I watched. Any time Mordred was not on the screen was just a snoozefest.

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    There are things I really enjoyed about Fate/Apocrypha but it also has Jack so it is impossible for me to recommend it to another human.

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Yeah was gonna say

    Boy oh BOY was Jack the Ripper a choice

    Apocrypha definitely has the *Tugs at Collar* moments for me, but I really enjoyed the highs

    Edit: Also it just casually mentions stuff from parts of fate that havent even been animated yet and expects you to know?

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  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Yeah was gonna say

    Boy oh BOY was Jack the Ripper a choice

    Apocrypha definitely has the *Tugs at Collar* moments for me, but I really enjoyed the highs

    Oh

    Right

    I forgot Jack was in that one

    Clearly my brain was trying to protect me
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    To expand on Stilts' post:
    • Fate/Zero is a prequel to Fate/Stay Night; you don't need to know anything from FSN for it
    • Fate/Stay Night was the original work, so it doesn't expect you to know about anything else
    • Case Files is a spin-off of Fate/Zero about the further adventures of a supporting character
    • IIRC The rest aren't even always in the same timeline/universe as F0-CF-FSN.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel based on different routes through the original Fate/Stay Night visual novel?

    Correct.

    In the case of Heaven's Feel, though, I actually would recommend watching UBW first, because in order to save time they basically assume you know what happens in UBW up to the point where Heaven's Feel diverges from it.

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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    There are things I really enjoyed about Fate/Apocrypha but it also has Jack so it is impossible for me to recommend it to another human.

    Talking about Assassin of Black?

    Because if so, yes. Very gross.

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Man Fate is a mess lore wise

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Stilts wrote: »
    I actually liked Fate Apocrypha a lot

    That thing has some BUDGET

    I wanted to like it, but I found the plot to be excruciatingly dull for the first 12 episodes I watched. Any time Mordred was not on the screen was just a snoozefest.

    Yeah, it really has some pacing issues and then it doesn't want to keep focused on the interesting characters. I've heard it drops some of the source material that provides more background on things, but couldn't say there.

    On the other hand, the necromancer guy also shows up in the El-Melloi series for one arc (Apocrypha is basically a parallel universe from the main stuff with an alternate history). He's fun, but it's more fun when Mordred's around.

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  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I really hope we get more Case Files adaptations, because Rail Zepplin just skips right on over how Waver met Gray in the first place, and boy is that an interesting storyline judging from the summaries I've read.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Stilts wrote: »
    I really hope we get more Case Files adaptations, because Rail Zepplin just skips right on over how Waver met Gray in the first place, and boy is that an interesting storyline judging from the summaries I've read.

    Yeah, it adapts like one of the major arcs of the source material and that's it?

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  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    I really hope we get more Case Files adaptations, because Rail Zepplin just skips right on over how Waver met Gray in the first place, and boy is that an interesting storyline judging from the summaries I've read.

    Yeah, it adapts like one of the major arcs of the source material and that's it?

    I believe it only adapts the Mystic Eyes Collection Train light novels, yes. For context, there were three light novels published before that arc: Adra Castle Separation, Twin Form Tower (Upper), and Twin Form Tower (Lower).

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  • Kaboodles_The_AssassinKaboodles_The_Assassin Kill the meat. Save the metal.Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Stilts wrote: »
    I actually liked Fate Apocrypha a lot

    That thing has some BUDGET

    I wanted to like it, but I found the plot to be excruciatingly dull for the first 12 episodes I watched. Any time Mordred was not on the screen was just a snoozefest.

    I want an entire series based on Mordred and Kairi having wacky bounty hunter adventures

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    The only Fate lore that matters is Battle Moon Wars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqtbnxiyHQw

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Wait is that just super robot wars but fate

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  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Wow, that's literally just a Nasuverse version of Super Robot Wars, huh?

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Hey how was that newer Hellsing series? Hellsing Ultimate?

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Really wish season 2 of love is war wasnt a funimation exclusive.

    Pretty sure you can blame Sony for that. They own Aniplex and Funimation.
    It'd be nice if they tossed it on Hulu like their other stuff though.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Stilts wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    I started watching Fate/Zero
    and now Lancelot is riding a fighter jet in a dogfight with Gilgamesh's space ship

    ok

    Fate stuff gets pretty over the top, yes. Zero is pretty good.

    My personal ranking of Fate series (not including the Heaven's Feel movies, which I haven't completed):
    1) The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II: Rail Zepplin
    2) Fate/Extra: Last Encore
    3) Fate/Zero
    4) Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works
    5) Fate/Grand Order: Absolute Demonic Front Babylonia
    6) Fate/Apocrypha

    I have never watched the Studio Deen Fate/Stay Night, so I have no idea where it would rank.

    I didn't like Case Files of El Melloi for some reason. I guess because it had too little of the fun Servant stuff? Or maybe I just thought the one-shot stories format weren't very interesting.

    Anyway Carnival Phantasm is the secret best Fate anime followed closely by Today's Menu For The Emiya Family. Absolutely avoid Prisma Illya, sexualizes the hell out of 13 year olds.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 24
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    Jragghen wrote: »
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Hey how was that newer Hellsing series? Hellsing Ultimate?

    Its a direct adaptation of the manga and its ptetty good

    It kinda lacks a little bit of the style of the original (mostly the music), but it's got a style all its own. The pace of releases kinda killed it a bit in the states, though.

    It's also got a damn fine Abridged series, for what it's worth.

    It wasn't just the pace. It completely switched studios and teams twice during the run. It took like seven years and three completely different teams to make 10 episodes, and the quality took a pretty significant hit each time someone else took over.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Every Fate sexualized teenagers and the like. I mean let's not forget the key plot point of one of them is magical rape-worms.

    It's just not a good series if you actually care about not being awful. Nasu also seems to have a fetish with making sure his female characters die in humiliating or horrible ways. That Ilya and Gilgamesh scene was pretty unnecessary.

    Prisma does have its issues but at least they are just standard anime tropes. Not, again, rape-worms and such.

    It has punchmaster Bazett so that's rad.

    Also it has what is probably the only good version of Shiro so it has that going for it. Miyuverse Shiro is pretty great.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    UBW Abridged is the second-best Fate I've seen, right below Carnival Phantasm.

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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    To be honest, I've never gotten around to watching Fate. But it gets referenced so much that I read about the product line of the series just to know what was what. And then I started reading the fan wiki because some of the ways they adapt the various legendary or historical figures can be pretty interesting.

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  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I tried to watch a Fate thing and it was two guys walking in a circle around another guy doing exposition and explaining rules for fifteen minutes.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Every Fate sexualized teenagers and the like. I mean let's not forget the key plot point of one of them is magical rape-worms.

    It's just not a good series if you actually care about not being awful. Nasu also seems to have a fetish with making sure his female characters die in humiliating or horrible ways. That Ilya and Gilgamesh scene was pretty unnecessary.

    Prisma does have its issues but at least they are just standard anime tropes. Not, again, rape-worms and such.

    It has punchmaster Bazett so that's rad.

    Also it has what is probably the only good version of Shiro so it has that going for it. Miyuverse Shiro is pretty great.

    I don't really care to argue about this and I don't know what you mean by rape worms, something from Heaven's Feel? I've never seen Heaven's Feel, only vaguely read a wiki article for it a million years ago, so I'll just say my piece and drop this subject: the usual Fate level of sexual explicitness I'm used to is like... ranging from "nothing" to "there's one scene in Fate/Stay Night UBW where a couple of high school students are sitting on a bed together, and it fades to black after implying that they're gonna do it"

    And then there's Prisma Illya, where the only scenes as lavishly animated as the fights are the many scenes of 13 pardon, 11 year olds frenching each other. If you can ignore that and enjoy the rest of the show in spite of it, fair enough, I watched pretty far into it myself, but I think it makes it really uncomfortable and hard to recommend!

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    To be honest, I've never gotten around to watching Fate myself. But it gets referenced so much that I've read about the... product line? of the series just to know what was what. And then I started reading the fan wiki because some of the ways they adapt the various legendary or historical figures can be pretty interesting.

    For example, Sasaki Kojiro. A person who has never actually existed outside of the tale of the legendary duel between him and Miyamoto Musashi. However, because that tale is so well-known, and age + recognition is a big part of what defines the capability to be a Servant, when he is summoned he is summoned as someone who plays the "role of Sasaki Kojiro" instead of the "real" Sasaki, resulting in his Class being Assassin instead of Saber. However, because parallel worlds are a thing in Fate, there is actually a True Sasaki Kojiro who IS a Saber. So there's the Fake Sasaki and Real Sasaki, with both being the same Servant but also completely different people.

    Conflating myths and legends together affects more than a few other Servants too. Like Robin Hood, who is not the True Robin Hood but again just an amalgamation of the various legends ABOUT Robin Hood. Except yet again there is a True Robin Hood.

    The various stories of Fate love to play around with different aspects of time/space and parallel worlds. Like Strange/Fake which has the whole True/False Servants, including another Jack the Ripper. Only this Jack the Ripper is not a barely-clad little girl, but an amorphous Berserker construct built from the stories, legends, and fear of Jack the Ripper with completely different abilities. Though in this case unlike the others there is no True or False Jack the Ripper, they're both Jack the Ripper while being completely different entities.

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  • NeveronNeveron SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Every Fate sexualized teenagers and the like. I mean let's not forget the key plot point of one of them is magical rape-worms.

    It's just not a good series if you actually care about not being awful. Nasu also seems to have a fetish with making sure his female characters die in humiliating or horrible ways. That Ilya and Gilgamesh scene was pretty unnecessary.

    Prisma does have its issues but at least they are just standard anime tropes. Not, again, rape-worms and such.

    It has punchmaster Bazett so that's rad.

    Also it has what is probably the only good version of Shiro so it has that going for it. Miyuverse Shiro is pretty great.

    I don't really care to argue about this and I don't know what you mean by rape worms, something from Heaven's Feel? I've never seen Heaven's Feel, only vaguely read a wiki article for it a million years ago, so I'll just say my piece and drop this subject: the usual Fate level of sexual explicitness I'm used to is like... ranging from "nothing" to "there's one scene in Fate/Stay Night UBW where a couple of high school students are sitting on a bed together, and it fades to black after implying that they're gonna do it"

    And then there's Prisma Illya, where the only scenes as lavishly animated as the fights are the many scenes of 13 pardon, 11 year olds frenching each other. If you can ignore that and enjoy the rest of the show in spite of it, fair enough, I watched pretty far into it myself, but I think it makes it really uncomfortable and hard to recommend!

    The thing to note is that the original Fate/Stay Night was a pornographic visual novel (because back then you couldn't sell a non-pornographic one), and that in subsequent re-releases and anime they removed or toned down most of that. (And nobody's particularly sad about it, either, because Nasu couldn't write a sex scene if his life depended on it. The ones in Tsukihime are even worse, and showcase a strange fascination with using mollusks as a metaphor.)


    And for what it's worth, in the years since then Nasu's been on record in interviews and whatnot that his portrayal of female characters was pretty poor. He doesn't write most of Fate stuff these days, though - he did Fate/Extra and some part of Grand Order, but all the novels are various other authors.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    So Jump is going to be pretty barren soon.

    Demon Slayer ending next month
    Yuragi Inn ending this year
    We Can't Lean ending this year
    Promised Neverland in its last arc
    Haikyu supposedly in its last arc?
    Burn the Witch going to be a short series

    Might give some less good series more time before getting axed to grow into something decent.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Demon Slayer is ending permanently next month?

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Sorce wrote: »
    Demon Slayer is ending permanently next month?

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Sorce wrote: »
    Demon Slayer is ending permanently next month?

    Well yeah I dont see where they can go from this current arc.
    I don't read the manga, so I had no idea.

    At least any theoretical future anime seasons can't outpace it and get all weird now.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    So Jump is going to be pretty barren soon.

    Demon Slayer ending next month
    Yuragi Inn ending this year
    We Can't Lean ending this year
    Promised Neverland in its last arc
    Haikyu supposedly in its last arc?
    Burn the Witch going to be a short series

    Might give some less good series more time before getting axed to grow into something decent.

    We Can't Learn is technically over (and the ending was really heartwarming) - they're just doing a bunch of "what if?" gaiden stories for the other girls. (I will say, the reason for all the titles up to the very end having "x" in them was cute.)

    The main issue is that Jump is very much in transition, and part of that is that they're not looking for long-running tentpoles anymore. I also think their rejection of Attack on Titan only to see it become a hit for their competitor was a wakeup call for Shuisha as well.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Sorce wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Demon Slayer is ending permanently next month?

    Well yeah I dont see where they can go from this current arc.
    I don't read the manga, so I had no idea.

    At least any theoretical future anime seasons can't outpace it and get all weird now.

    If Demon Slayer comes back in the Fall or Winter 2020 and just runs until the end of the manga that'd basically be a perfect adaptation. The last few fights could use some UFO table magic.

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  • Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    To be honest, I've never gotten around to watching Fate. But it gets referenced so much that I read about the product line of the series just to know what was what. And then I started reading the fan wiki because some of the ways they adapt the various legendary or historical figures can be pretty interesting.

    I definitely recommend at least watching UBW and Zero, because those are very well told

    the various spinoffs don't reach those heights, but are for the most part enjoyable too (stay away from Last Encore, though)

    and if you like the more unique takes on the historical figures, definitely look up their version of Florence Nightingale

    which is somehow both incredibly inaccurate and also in some ways more accurate than the media portrayals of her during her life


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