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  • DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    also feels like Smoker and Luffy have barely even fought each other, they clashed a little bit as Luffy was escaping Rogueport and the next time I remember them being in the same place was Punk Hazard, I think? He's definitely one of the rare antagonists who does become an ally though, more or less, since his whole character is that he's one of the few actually decent people in the Navy.

    Zolo was clearly supposed to have a whole friendly rivalry thing going on with Smoker's number two helper girl but it feels like that... got lost somewhere along the way.
    :D:D:D

    Zoro can't even keep his plotlines on a straight path. But seriously it does seem to be addressed every time they interact, hopefully there is more emotional payoff the next time they cross paths.

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  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    He might be the least developed character in the crew due to his nature

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Its been a while since I went through One Piece but I absolutely remember Smoker, on more than one occasion, giving Luffy a head start or otherwise not pursuing him when technically he should have.

    That doesn't mean he won't arrest Luffy eventually, but he has absolutely developed a grudging respect for the dude and let some things slide that his job technically doesn't allow.

    smoker kinda sorta helps luffy, and does so more later on when he realizes that Absolute Justice is a load of fascist dogshit, but smoker is still a cop and still mostly a patsy for the world government

    he might heel turn eventually, but he hasn't really yet

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    also, jinbei is maybe the only antagonist that turned around and is buddies with luffy

    jinbei also owns

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, jinbei is maybe the only antagonist that turned around and is buddies with luffy

    jinbei also owns

    Was Jinbei ever really against Luffy? He was already in jail for refusing Warlord duties when Luffy met him.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, jinbei is maybe the only antagonist that turned around and is buddies with luffy

    jinbei also owns

    Was Jinbei ever really against Luffy? He was already in jail for refusing Warlord duties when Luffy met him.

    against luffy expressly? no

    but the warlords were absolutely antagonistic

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Mysst wrote: »
    Jimbei was never an antagonist to Luffy, tho.

    also I really hope they tie in Zoro to some Wano shit, but I am also ok with them not. 'Why is Zoro So Cool? Well see, it's because he's So Cool.'

    he is STRONG and does not give a FUCK is all I really need from zoro

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Jinbei was never an antagonist, anyway.

    But there’s a decent amount of examples in One Piece. Hancock, Kuma, Bon Clay, Robin, Franky, Hachi.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, jinbei is maybe the only antagonist that turned around and is buddies with luffy

    jinbei also owns

    Was Jinbei ever really against Luffy? He was already in jail for refusing Warlord duties when Luffy met him.

    against luffy expressly? no

    but the warlords were absolutely antagonistic
    Of warlords that Luffy has run into, only Crocodile, Moria and Doflamingo actually were antagonists; Mihawk doesn't give a fuck; Kuma, Jimbei, Law, and Hancock all helped him immediately; and I don't think he ever directly ran into Blackbeard while he was a warlord.

    I guess Buggy counts as an antagonist but also hasn't run into Luffy or affected him indirectly with his mercenary network at all since he became a warlord.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    DHS wrote: »
    also feels like Smoker and Luffy have barely even fought each other, they clashed a little bit as Luffy was escaping Rogueport and the next time I remember them being in the same place was Punk Hazard, I think? He's definitely one of the rare antagonists who does become an ally though, more or less, since his whole character is that he's one of the few actually decent people in the Navy.

    Zolo was clearly supposed to have a whole friendly rivalry thing going on with Smoker's number two helper girl but it feels like that... got lost somewhere along the way.
    :D:D:D

    Zoro can't even keep his plotlines on a straight path. But seriously it does seem to be addressed every time they interact, hopefully there is more emotional payoff the next time they cross paths.

    Zoro can't keep anything on a straight path. He could get lost walking down a straight hall and I'm pretty sure he actually has! At least he's not as bad as Ryouga from Ranma, otherwise the team would need him on Wano and he's somehow back on Rogue Island

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, jinbei is maybe the only antagonist that turned around and is buddies with luffy

    jinbei also owns

    Was Jinbei ever really against Luffy? He was already in jail for refusing Warlord duties when Luffy met him.

    against luffy expressly? no

    but the warlords were absolutely antagonistic
    Of warlords that Luffy has run into, only Crocodile, Moria and Doflamingo actually were antagonists; Mihawk doesn't give a fuck; Kuma, Jimbei, Law, and Hancock all helped him immediately; and I don't think he ever directly ran into Blackbeard while he was a warlord.

    I guess Buggy counts as an antagonist but also hasn't run into Luffy or affected him indirectly with his mercenary network at all since he became a warlord.
    boa tried to kill him first, until he shonen protag'd and she fell in love with him

    kuma is... complicated
    he both definitely hampered the straw hats, but also helped them considering he's a revolutionary

    law sorta did? kinda? mostly reluctantly at first

    mihawk straight up tries to kill luffy during marineford, not like fake kill, like actual kill
    although he sorta half-asses it cause he's bored and probably didn't wanna piss off shanks

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    luffy's whole deal is that he is so goddamn dumb and single-minded but genuine that people will reluctantly agree to help the strawhats 9 times out of 10

    also because the world government are monstrous and literally nobody actually likes or trusts akainu

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    oh right Hancock was an antagonist for a little bit at first, I forgot! Kuma I think was always helping them in the guise of hindering them though, because he was undercover. I guess the one confrontation in Marineford does sort of count for Mihawk.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Mihawk was seriously trying at that one point, but he didn't give it his all. It was more of a "if this can kill you then you never had a chance" sort of thing

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    wait was Luffy's awesome chest scar from Mihawk? I forgot everything that happened in the marineford war arc lol

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    wait was Luffy's awesome chest scar from Mihawk? I forgot everything that happened in the marineford war arc lol
    No, that's from Akainu.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    wait was Luffy's awesome chest scar from Mihawk? I forgot everything that happened in the marineford war arc lol

    nah

    but most of the warlords fought for the marines, including mihawk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2yONMr9V4Y

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    wait was Luffy's awesome chest scar from Mihawk? I forgot everything that happened in the marineford war arc lol
    No, that's from Akainu.

    Yep. Mihawk didn't actually touch Luffy. Luffy made as if to punch him, but then immediately stopped because he realized Mihawk would take his arm or worse for failing to recognize the danger.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    oh right Hancock was an antagonist for a little bit at first, I forgot! Kuma I think was always helping them in the guise of hindering them though, because he was undercover. I guess the one confrontation in Marineford does sort of count for Mihawk.
    Kuma did what he did to keep the Straw Hats from actually, factually getting murdered. So tough love.

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    At what point in the manga's run did they decide on who Naruto's parents were supposed to be? The way the bullying stuff happened doesn't really make any sense unless the entire village completely forgot who his parents were.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Opty wrote: »
    At what point in the manga's run did they decide on who Naruto's parents were supposed to be? The way the bullying stuff happened doesn't really make any sense unless the entire village completely forgot who his parents were.

    The explanation I've heard is that they kept it a secret to avoid him being targeted or exploited. Which then backfired to the point of making him suicidally reckless out of desperation to make friends and family.

    Aka, the Leaf village is actually the villain once again, Pain was correct to try to kill it.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Opty wrote: »
    At what point in the manga's run did they decide on who Naruto's parents were supposed to be? The way the bullying stuff happened doesn't really make any sense unless the entire village completely forgot who his parents were.

    The explanation I've heard is that they kept it a secret to avoid him being targeted or exploited. Which then backfired to the point of making him suicidally reckless out of desperation to make friends and family.

    Aka, the Leaf village is actually the villain once again, Pain was correct to try to kill it.

    There's a period of Leaf Village rule that's best described as Poor Life Decisions.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Opty wrote: »
    At what point in the manga's run did they decide on who Naruto's parents were supposed to be? The way the bullying stuff happened doesn't really make any sense unless the entire village completely forgot who his parents were.

    The explanation I've heard is that they kept it a secret to avoid him being targeted or exploited. Which then backfired to the point of making him suicidally reckless out of desperation to make friends and family.

    Aka, the Leaf village is actually the villain once again, Pain was correct to try to kill it.

    There's a period of Leaf Village rule that's best described as Poor Life Decisions.

    This period is all of it, as one of the co-founders is the lead up to the true villain of the ENTIRE SERIES.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Leaf Village is still a ninja village, and as Naruto showed throughout the series it was that ninja villages suck eggs

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  • DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    wait was Luffy's awesome chest scar from Mihawk? I forgot everything that happened in the marineford war arc lol

    Akainu

    lava punch through another (fish) dude to get it. akainu is a bastard coated bastard but he is fucking tenacious and good at pirate murdering.

    i do appreciate the moral gradient of marines. some are fundamentally good but opposed to the pirates because they believe in order (smoker, aokiji, sengoku, fujitora and garp) some are unquestioning soldiers (kizaru, most of the other vice admirals) and others are fundamentalist javerts (akainu).

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    sengoku was the reason ace got executed and still believed in Absolute Justice, so fuck that cop too

    fujitora is good though

    EDIT: and kizaru doesn't care about law or order, dude just wants to murder

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I mean most pirates are bad so it makes sense that like average marines would exist. It's just that the world government is worse.

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  • DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    sengoku was the reason ace got executed and still believed in Absolute Justice, so fuck that cop too

    fujitora is good though

    EDIT: and kizaru doesn't care about law or order, dude just wants to murder

    i'm more referring to IG Sengoku re: Rosinante and Law but fair point, his predeterminationist view of inheritance is enough to throw him in the ACAB pile.

    yeah kizaru's dull affect does give off some serial killer mob enforecer vibes, like marlo stanfield or something.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Gundi wrote: »
    I mean most pirates are bad so it makes sense that like average marines would exist. It's just that the world government is worse.

    To be fair, it's mostly only worse because they're in power. A lot of pirates aren't any better, they just don't have the same scope for being bastards.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    most pirates oppose slavery, which alone puts them head and shoulders above the world government

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Never forget that Marigeoise has slaves literally underground to power moving walkways
    I appreciate Sabo almost mercing several dragons in broad daylight for what they did to kuma

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  • LeumasWhiteLeumasWhite New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Mysst wrote: »
    DHS wrote: »
    wait was Luffy's awesome chest scar from Mihawk? I forgot everything that happened in the marineford war arc lol

    Akainu

    lava punch through another (fish) dude to get it. akainu is a bastard coated bastard but he is fucking tenacious and good at pirate murdering.

    i do appreciate the moral gradient of marines. some are fundamentally good but opposed to the pirates because they believe in order (smoker, aokiji, sengoku, fujitora and garp) some are unquestioning soldiers (kizaru, most of the other vice admirals) and others are fundamentalist javerts (akainu).

    I think there's also a reason a lot of the admirals give off a Yakuza vibe

    Explicitly so if certian cover images are accurate

    Aokiji/Akainu/Kizaru were all based off of actors famous for yakuza/thug roles, as I remember.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Mysst wrote: »
    DHS wrote: »
    wait was Luffy's awesome chest scar from Mihawk? I forgot everything that happened in the marineford war arc lol

    Akainu

    lava punch through another (fish) dude to get it. akainu is a bastard coated bastard but he is fucking tenacious and good at pirate murdering.

    i do appreciate the moral gradient of marines. some are fundamentally good but opposed to the pirates because they believe in order (smoker, aokiji, sengoku, fujitora and garp) some are unquestioning soldiers (kizaru, most of the other vice admirals) and others are fundamentalist javerts (akainu).

    I think there's also a reason a lot of the admirals give off a Yakuza vibe

    Explicitly so if certian cover images are accurate

    Aokiji/Akainu/Kizaru were all based off of actors famous for yakuza/thug roles, as I remember.

    Still waiting on that Riki Takeuchi Admiral, Oda...

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  • EspantaPajaroEspantaPajaro Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Mysst wrote: »
    DHS wrote: »
    wait was Luffy's awesome chest scar from Mihawk? I forgot everything that happened in the marineford war arc lol

    Akainu

    lava punch through another (fish) dude to get it. akainu is a bastard coated bastard but he is fucking tenacious and good at pirate murdering.

    i do appreciate the moral gradient of marines. some are fundamentally good but opposed to the pirates because they believe in order (smoker, aokiji, sengoku, fujitora and garp) some are unquestioning soldiers (kizaru, most of the other vice admirals) and others are fundamentalist javerts (akainu).

    I think there's also a reason a lot of the admirals give off a Yakuza vibe

    So I just played the remake of yakuza 1 ( my first in experience in the series ) but if Kizaru just showed up and started fighting kiryu or majima I wouldn’t even blink dude is a fucking gangster .

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited April 22
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    Yeah, the original three admirals are based off of 3 famous Japanese actors, all of who have done their fair share of Yakuza films. Then of course Fujitora is Blind Swordsman Zatoichi.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Mysst wrote: »
    DHS wrote: »
    wait was Luffy's awesome chest scar from Mihawk? I forgot everything that happened in the marineford war arc lol

    Akainu

    lava punch through another (fish) dude to get it. akainu is a bastard coated bastard but he is fucking tenacious and good at pirate murdering.

    i do appreciate the moral gradient of marines. some are fundamentally good but opposed to the pirates because they believe in order (smoker, aokiji, sengoku, fujitora and garp) some are unquestioning soldiers (kizaru, most of the other vice admirals) and others are fundamentalist javerts (akainu).

    I think there's also a reason a lot of the admirals give off a Yakuza vibe

    So I just played the remake of yakuza 1 ( my first in experience in the series ) but if Kizaru just showed up and started fighting kiryu or majima I wouldn’t even blink dude is a fucking gangster .

    Looking forward to you eventually checking out Yakuza Zero and getting a load of the lieutenants in that. There's some great actors with some great faces they chose for that group.

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