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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    @BlankZoe reading your Naruto piece, I think it's spot on about the influence the series had on following shonen series.

    You got me thinking about something in One Piece though, I think Luffy's enemies-turned-allies are actually much rarer than Goku or Naruto's. I can't actually think of any character he has beat up and then won over as a rival and then a friend in the Goku fashion, characters like Vegeta or Piccolo or Buu or Yamcha or Tien. The rare antagonists that become allies are typically either just opportunistic characters in the first place, or good people who are being forced to do bad things against their will by a bigger bad who's absolutely maniacally evil and whom Luffy goes on to defeat. It's actually incredibly rare for outright villains to be turned into recurring characters at all in One Piece compared to most shonen stories now that I think about it. Oda's preference just seems to be to write very morally black and white, irredeemable villains who are brought to justice and then exit the plot; and he relatively rarely dips back into the existing character pool to bring back an old villain for new plot arcs that might allow them to have character growth past that initial state, preferring to bring back a couple of allies and come up with 20 new characters in most arcs instead. He seems to just love making new character designs for the sake of it to some degree and I respect that.

    It's a good review, but IMHO it's doing Dragon Ball a bit of a disservice about how it handled the heel-face turns.
    • Yamcha and Vegeta each respectively came around due to alliances of convenience followed by falling for Bulma. Repeatedly trailing behind Goku is what almost made Vegeta go back to being a villain.
    • My memory re: Tien in original Dragonball is hazy, but IIRC he fought Goku to a draw in the tournament, agreed to help the others when Piccolo (senior) became a global threat, and it was training with the others at Roshi's house while he was recuperating that brought him around to just being a friendly rival.
    • Piccolo still wanted to become strong enough to defeat Goku to avenge his father and take over the world right up until the Raditz fight, then he needed to train Gohan to fight Nappa & Vegeta. After that debacle he was stuck on King Kai's world for a time, and then he merged with Nail (a good guy) on Namek, etc. But basically becoming Gohan's surrogate father is what changed him.
    Basically, none of them turned because Goku was stronger. They all turned because of forming bonds with Goku's friends & loved ones while dealing with mutual enemies.

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  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Re: Naruto's folks.
    IIRC, wasn't there a cover-up about how the fox got loose? So to the villagers, the kunoichi responsible for keeping it imprisoned decided to risk her duties to the village in order to bear a child, instead of adopting one of what was probably many orphans in the wake of the Third War, and the village paid the price. Plus their beloved Yondaime had to sacrifice his life to stop it. I could see people being dumb enough to blame Kushina and take it out on her kid based on that line of thinking. If Kushina became a pariah in death, it would also explain why nobody talked about her, like, ever. I don't think it was widely known that he was also Minato's son until he got older and the resemblance became more blatant.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Also the fact that he grew up literally completely alone doesn't make sense.

    Like sure, anime protagonists usually don't have parents around for whatever reason, but the fact that no one was supposedly in Naruto's life at all aside from Iruka for that one year in the Academy and maybe the Third Hokage just stretches my immersion a little too much.

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  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Shounen manga love to cram in the chosen one or similar tropes later on in their series which kinda bums me out

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    @BlankZoe reading your Naruto piece, I think it's spot on about the influence the series had on following shonen series.

    You got me thinking about something in One Piece though, I think Luffy's enemies-turned-allies are actually much rarer than Goku or Naruto's. I can't actually think of any character he has beat up and then won over as a rival and then a friend in the Goku fashion, characters like Vegeta or Piccolo or Buu or Yamcha or Tien. The rare antagonists that become allies are typically either just opportunistic characters in the first place, or good people who are being forced to do bad things against their will by a bigger bad who's absolutely maniacally evil and whom Luffy goes on to defeat. It's actually incredibly rare for outright villains to be turned into recurring characters at all in One Piece compared to most shonen stories now that I think about it. Oda's preference just seems to be to write very morally black and white, irredeemable villains who are brought to justice and then exit the plot; and he relatively rarely dips back into the existing character pool to bring back an old villain for new plot arcs that might allow them to have character growth past that initial state, preferring to bring back a couple of allies and come up with 20 new characters in most arcs instead. He seems to just love making new character designs for the sake of it to some degree and I respect that.

    It's a good review, but IMHO it's doing Dragon Ball a bit of a disservice about how it handled the heel-face turns.
    • Yamcha and Vegeta each respectively came around due to alliances of convenience followed by falling for Bulma. Repeatedly trailing behind Goku is what almost made Vegeta go back to being a villain.
    • My memory re: Tien in original Dragonball is hazy, but IIRC he fought Goku to a draw in the tournament, agreed to help the others when Piccolo (senior) became a global threat, and it was training with the others at Roshi's house while he was recuperating that brought him around to just being a friendly rival.
    • Piccolo still wanted to become strong enough to defeat Goku to avenge his father and take over the world right up until the Raditz fight, then he needed to train Gohan to fight Nappa & Vegeta. After that debacle he was stuck on King Kai's world for a time, and then he merged with Nail (a good guy) on Namek, etc. But basically becoming Gohan's surrogate father is what changed him.
    Basically, none of them turned because Goku was stronger. They all turned because of forming bonds with Goku's friends & loved ones while dealing with mutual enemies.
    My experience with Dragon Ball is exclusively DBZ and Super and also solely through the anime and while I love Vegeta, Piccolo and the rest it does not handle their face turns with any particular nuance

    The closest it gets is Piccolo going WAIT NO I LIKE GOHAN and essentially becoming a full bore Good Guy from dying on and then Vegeta realizing wait no his son is dying is bad

    They aren't awful but they're fairly sudden and the genesis of their turns is absolutely grounded in Goku beating their asses and their wanting to stick by him/continue to face him to get stronger

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    Well, I am now just watching Monthly Girl's Nozaki Kun

    this seems cute, and also very funny

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Sorce wrote: »
    Also the fact that he grew up literally completely alone doesn't make sense.

    Like sure, anime protagonists usually don't have parents around for whatever reason, but the fact that no one was supposedly in Naruto's life at all aside from Iruka for that one year in the Academy and maybe the Third Hokage just stretches my immersion a little too much.

    Yeah, that always made no sense. You have a child weapon capable of in theory curbstomping entire cities out of hte way!

    Better leave him teh hell alone.

    (I'd be fascinated and also probably a bit repulsed to see a take on Naruto that leaned into the tailed beasts as Weapons of Mass Destruction + the whole child soldiers thing. It's still a goddamn crime that we only got really exposed to what, 3 of the beasts?)

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  • IsornIsorn Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Well, I am now just watching Monthly Girl's Nozaki Kun

    this seems cute, and also very funny

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  • mysticjuicermysticjuicer [he/him] I'm a muscle wizard and I cast P U N C HRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Well, I am now just watching Monthly Girl's Nozaki Kun

    this seems cute, and also very funny

    IT'S SO GOOD

    I love all of these idiot children!!!

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Nozaki-kun fucking kills me with laughter

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    This Sharknado chapter of Chainsaw Man is the best thing I've ever seen.

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  • AstharielAsthariel The Book Eater Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Kaguya S2 episode 04:

    Aoi Koga as Kaguya as always gives her all

    Hayasaka is being awesome

    Miko Iino is properly introduced

    and one important secondary character gets her first dialogue line in the series!

    As always, brilliant episode.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Next Life as a Villainess
    Catarina basically solved her Doom Routes problem back when she was 8 years old, and none of these characters would ever kill or exile her, she's just too dense to realize it, isn't she?

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    I fuckin love Nozaki-kun

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Lars wrote: »
    Next Life as a Villainess
    Catarina basically solved her Doom Routes problem back when she was 8 years old, and none of these characters would ever kill or exile her, she's just too dense to realize it, isn't she?

    Yes. Yes she did.

    I also love her asking the girls who they like relationship wise... and they all declare her, while blushing furiously.

    She of course thinks they're being Just Friends. Because she apparently has negative points in social skills.

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  • IsornIsorn Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    That flier in the latest episode of Kaguya-sama wasn't translated for some reason. So for anyone who wanted to know.
    Campaign Promise: I, Miko Iiino, pledge to enforce the following rules to maintain a wholesome and healthy student body and to make Shuchiin a better place.

    Boys: Shaved heads; Girls: Pigtails or braids - Skirt length must be four inches below the knee. Useless accessories will be prohibited.

    No cell phones at school.

    Your belongings will be inspected once a week.

    Students of the opposite sex will be prohibited from getting closer than 20 inches of each other.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Catarina is dumb. She is also good. She is good and dumb in equal measure, which is to say a lot.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I also like how while she thinks most of the cast is hot Catarina only seems to have become straight up infatuated with Maria.

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  • LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Just started the newest Love is War and this already seems like an INCREDIBLY bad plan.

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  • TcheldorTcheldor Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Well, I am now just watching Monthly Girl's Nozaki Kun

    this seems cute, and also very funny

    IT'S SO GOOD

    I love all of these idiot children!!!

    I know 0 about this show, but I have watched the first episode.

    Yes yes, I am onboard for this train wreck. It looks fun.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Gundi wrote: »
    Catarina is dumb. She is also good. She is good and dumb in equal measure, which is to say a lot.

    I love how utterly genuine she is. Just bits like her mucking in to sort out the fields, and genuinely thinking she's being done a favour by being allowed to tinker with them.

    (Also that all of her training means that earth bump can now... Knock somone off balance. Oh you loveable idiot)

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Sorce wrote: »
    Also the fact that he grew up literally completely alone doesn't make sense.

    Like sure, anime protagonists usually don't have parents around for whatever reason, but the fact that no one was supposedly in Naruto's life at all aside from Iruka for that one year in the Academy and maybe the Third Hokage just stretches my immersion a little too much.

    Yeah, that always made no sense. You have a child weapon capable of in theory curbstomping entire cities out of hte way!

    Better leave him teh hell alone.

    (I'd be fascinated and also probably a bit repulsed to see a take on Naruto that leaned into the tailed beasts as Weapons of Mass Destruction + the whole child soldiers thing. It's still a goddamn crime that we only got really exposed to what, 3 of the beasts?)
    By the end we got to meet all the tailed beasts and Jinchūriki. Though I think the latter was at least partially in filler arcs.

    But if they were going to focus on child weapons, Naruto probably would have (should have?) gone feral a lot sooner than he did. Kurama initially was always trying to escape and control Naruto, there's no reason he wouldn't listen to him if no one else talked to Naruto or even gave a shit.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Sorce wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Also the fact that he grew up literally completely alone doesn't make sense.

    Like sure, anime protagonists usually don't have parents around for whatever reason, but the fact that no one was supposedly in Naruto's life at all aside from Iruka for that one year in the Academy and maybe the Third Hokage just stretches my immersion a little too much.

    Yeah, that always made no sense. You have a child weapon capable of in theory curbstomping entire cities out of hte way!

    Better leave him teh hell alone.

    (I'd be fascinated and also probably a bit repulsed to see a take on Naruto that leaned into the tailed beasts as Weapons of Mass Destruction + the whole child soldiers thing. It's still a goddamn crime that we only got really exposed to what, 3 of the beasts?)
    By the end we got to meet all the tailed beasts and Jinchūriki. Though I think the latter was at least partially in filler arcs.

    But if they were going to focus on child weapons, Naruto probably would have (should have?) gone feral a lot sooner than he did. Kurama initially was always trying to escape and control Naruto, there's no reason he wouldn't listen to him if no one else talked to Naruto or even gave a shit.

    I basically never watched any of the anime past the transition to shipudden, so i woudlnt know. Going by the manga though, the vast majority of the Jinchuriki and tailed beasts are pretty bit players, which just... rankled for me, i guess. (Some of them had very good visual designs! HOW ARE YOU WASTE INTERESTING VISUAL DESIGNS)

    Look, i've got priorties, okay?

    *shrug* Naruto is done, and what it was was pretty okay, even if i do find my self wondering what could have been.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    As much as I like Ascendance of a Bookworm the pacing is just a mess. They are skipping over a ton of world building, character building and introductions that are important later on.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    It's almost like Naruto, like almost all shonen series, wasn't super well planned out.

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Dont you do One Piece dirty like that

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    It certainly ended up doing some really great callbacks and stuff. Era 1 ends with fighting guys on the statues of legendary ancestor ninjas, era 2 not only has the completely expected rematch of era 1's fight, it also has the statue guys back to life as new challengers. Compare that to the end of Dragonball's run, where Earth explodes in a failed attempt to produce stakes and then Goku fights a bad guy who didn't even exist for most of the entire storyline.

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  • KnightKnight Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    My Life as a Villainess is exactly the sort of show I need in my life right now

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Knight_ wrote: »
    My Life as a Villainess is exactly the sort of show I need in my life right now

    It's very cute and wholesome

    I still chuckle thinking about episode 1
    where it starts to set up that fate cannot be changed, with her attempts to befriend Keith just leading to him to isolating himself for a different reason. Except then she says fuck that and busts down his door with an axe

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Reading the Villainess manga now. I remember seeing this a while ago but never really looked into it further. Up to about Chapter 10 now.
    So, Katarina has no idea she's basically seduced not only every single one of the boys, not only every single one of the girls, but also the heroine herself huh?

    *heroine crying*
    "You're my friend!"
    *heroine cries harder*

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  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    As much as I like Ascendance of a Bookworm the pacing is just a mess. They are skipping over a ton of world building, character building and introductions that are important later on.

    Yeah. I don't know about anything other than the anime, so I don't know what world building they're skipping, but I can't shake the feeling that back in Season 1
    "Main makes flash cards for the orphans"
    would take up an entire episode, and here it just gets breezed over in a single scene.

    Also, the whole 'Child Labour Is Good' thing is getting pretty iffy.

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  • Virgil_Leads_YouVirgil_Leads_You Proud Father House GardenerRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    I just watched Lu over the wall on Netflix.
    That movie is insane and amazing. So glad you all recommended it.
    Felt like an episode of looney toons in some ways I did not expect.
    I am super smitten with it tho.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    As much as I like Ascendance of a Bookworm the pacing is just a mess. They are skipping over a ton of world building, character building and introductions that are important later on.

    Yeah. I don't know about anything other than the anime, so I don't know what world building they're skipping, but I can't shake the feeling that back in Season 1
    "Main makes flash cards for the orphans"
    would take up an entire episode, and here it just gets breezed over in a single scene.

    Also, the whole 'Child Labour Is Good' thing is getting pretty iffy.
    It is iffy, but the alternate is "letting children die because they're poor with no way out".

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  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Sorce wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    As much as I like Ascendance of a Bookworm the pacing is just a mess. They are skipping over a ton of world building, character building and introductions that are important later on.

    Yeah. I don't know about anything other than the anime, so I don't know what world building they're skipping, but I can't shake the feeling that back in Season 1
    "Main makes flash cards for the orphans"
    would take up an entire episode, and here it just gets breezed over in a single scene.

    Also, the whole 'Child Labour Is Good' thing is getting pretty iffy.
    It is iffy, but the alternate is "letting children die because they're poor with no way out".

    Yeah, but they seem to be positioning it as the good, wholesome solution to the problem, rather than a hopefully temporary necessary evil. I get that everybody else can see it as an actual solution, but Main really should know better.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Sorce wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    As much as I like Ascendance of a Bookworm the pacing is just a mess. They are skipping over a ton of world building, character building and introductions that are important later on.

    Yeah. I don't know about anything other than the anime, so I don't know what world building they're skipping, but I can't shake the feeling that back in Season 1
    "Main makes flash cards for the orphans"
    would take up an entire episode, and here it just gets breezed over in a single scene.

    Also, the whole 'Child Labour Is Good' thing is getting pretty iffy.
    It is iffy, but the alternate is "letting children die because they're poor with no way out".

    Yeah, but they seem to be positioning it as the good, wholesome solution to the problem, rather than a hopefully temporary necessary evil. I get that everybody else can see it as an actual solution, but Main really should know better.

    Or she does know better. Any person with a passing understanding of history knows how terrible just living was until very recently and the idea of somehow making a child labor free society when we haven't even accomplished that in the modern era in parts of the world is... Yeah.

    Maybe find a way to skip over child coal miners, but them kids gotta work to eat. The alternative is murdering children you don't need because they have no value. Which I guess is also a solution some places have tried but it doesn't seem like an improvement.

    Nothing wrong with making the best of a situation, can't solve society.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
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    Main is also, what, 7 years old? Doesn't matter how much money she's bringing in with her ideas, no one is going to listen to a child (let alone one that's a 'filthy commoner') about anything that would very much disrupt the entire socio-economic status quo in society.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
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    Sorce wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    As much as I like Ascendance of a Bookworm the pacing is just a mess. They are skipping over a ton of world building, character building and introductions that are important later on.

    Yeah. I don't know about anything other than the anime, so I don't know what world building they're skipping, but I can't shake the feeling that back in Season 1
    "Main makes flash cards for the orphans"
    would take up an entire episode, and here it just gets breezed over in a single scene.

    Also, the whole 'Child Labour Is Good' thing is getting pretty iffy.
    It is iffy, but the alternate is "letting children die because they're poor with no way out".

    Yeah it sucks but also shes 6 in a society where the church and royalty run the show. This is what she can do at the moment

    I think she's actually 7 now because it's a year since she reincarnated. I wish the show would play up the whole putting one face for the priests and another for the rest thing, because her cheerfully saying "those who don't work don't eat" to a room full of children who were very recently locked in dark room starving to death was pretty shitty.

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