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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    cB557 wrote: »
    Kana wrote: »
    the monogatari series is frustrating. When it's being serious, the anime usually knows to cut the crap and actually does a good job. But like the novels are really heavy on double entendres, it loves making things sound dirty, only to reveal that it was innocent all along. The anime usually just takes those double entendres and makes it literal, because dirty stuff helps them sell blurays. But then once the scene's over it's still like it never happened, they're just meant to be viewed as non-serious throwaway scenes.

    It's frustrating because when the series actually tries it can be downright brilliant. Araragi and Senjougahara's relationship is weird but actually really healthy and loving. The show's got visual style for days. The way later seasons change narrators and how the world changes as a result is really cool. Almost all of the side characters are cool. The way the story introduces creepy-ass Oshino Ougi as an antagonist is seriously fantastic.
    Are the novels less creepy in general, or just less creepy in that specific way?

    I've only read one of the novels but it was so much creepier that I was put off from trying any more of them. So.

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  • TcheldorTcheldor Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    cB557 wrote: »
    Kana wrote: »
    the monogatari series is frustrating. When it's being serious, the anime usually knows to cut the crap and actually does a good job. But like the novels are really heavy on double entendres, it loves making things sound dirty, only to reveal that it was innocent all along. The anime usually just takes those double entendres and makes it literal, because dirty stuff helps them sell blurays. But then once the scene's over it's still like it never happened, they're just meant to be viewed as non-serious throwaway scenes.

    It's frustrating because when the series actually tries it can be downright brilliant. Araragi and Senjougahara's relationship is weird but actually really healthy and loving. The show's got visual style for days. The way later seasons change narrators and how the world changes as a result is really cool. Almost all of the side characters are cool. The way the story introduces creepy-ass Oshino Ougi as an antagonist is seriously fantastic.
    Are the novels less creepy in general, or just less creepy in that specific way?

    I've only read one of the novels but it was so much creepier that I was put off from trying any more of them. So.

    @cB557 I think you're relatively fine to try the first season of Bakemono and see what you think

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 22
    cB557 wrote: »
    Kana wrote: »
    the monogatari series is frustrating. When it's being serious, the anime usually knows to cut the crap and actually does a good job. But like the novels are really heavy on double entendres, it loves making things sound dirty, only to reveal that it was innocent all along. The anime usually just takes those double entendres and makes it literal, because dirty stuff helps them sell blurays. But then once the scene's over it's still like it never happened, they're just meant to be viewed as non-serious throwaway scenes.

    It's frustrating because when the series actually tries it can be downright brilliant. Araragi and Senjougahara's relationship is weird but actually really healthy and loving. The show's got visual style for days. The way later seasons change narrators and how the world changes as a result is really cool. Almost all of the side characters are cool. The way the story introduces creepy-ass Oshino Ougi as an antagonist is seriously fantastic.
    Are the novels less creepy in general, or just less creepy in that specific way?

    Let's just say the anime is a very faithful adaptation. Credit given where credit due, that had to be a localization nightmare for the English author.

    And it has some beautfiul art.

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  • P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    after being told chihayafuru is great by multiple friends for a long period of time i am finally trying it but it is too much of a sports anime for me to continue watching, I think

    i've failed

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 22
    I only allow myself one guilty pleasure show at the moment, and right now, Kakegurui counts for like five.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    All I know of Chihayafuru is that Crunchyroll ad that plays a bunch, where it seems that the object of the game that they play is to slap all of your opponent's cards off the board right when they try to make their move.

    Which honestly seems like the most frustrating shit.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I liked the -Gatari series until I didn't. And that was mostly of me eventually getting tired with some of its reoccurring shitty content. Watched the first two seasons as they aired, and I was in prime shitty teenager. And yeah that scene was the breaking point. You know the one. It wasn't that there hadn't been reaaaaal shitty shit all along, but that scene was so egregious, gross, and on top of that indulgent (the scene lasts almost five minutes) that not only did it take be aback it caused me to look back at all the other shitty stuff in the series and make me go, "yeah this isn't worth it." I was, I wanna say somewhere between the ages of 16-18 when that happened, and I've never gone back to the series even though I'm sure the stuff I originally liked about it-the odd visual style with occasionally amazing production values, unusual story structure, and unique characters with great character to character dynamics-would still appeal to me. (I mean in retrospect I don't think I'd rate the series as highly as I did back then because I don't put narrative originality on quite a high a pedestal as I did back then and I think that sometimes even sans all the gross stuff in the series, it sometimes worked against itself.) But like, if a series managed to gross me out of continuing it back when I was a shitty teenager who devoured anime like tic-tacs, I really doubt I'm going to able to ignore it now.

    As for Gantz and Inuyashiki, both have extremely uncomfortable depictions of violence. There is a pretty big difference though. Gantz, especially early Gantz, combines a desire to seemingly revel in pretty conceptually unpleasant subject matter combined with a desire to depict said subject very realistically without treating said realistic unpleasant subject matter with the weight it deserves. It starts off edgy for the sake of being edgy, and there's not a lot to like. It gets better, but it continues to always straddle the line between justifying the unpleasantness of its material. Its page composition and creature design are phenomenal, but it even with the caveat that Gantz does get more nuanced and even empathetic over time it always struggles to both justify its cruelty towards its characters as well maintain appropriate gravitas for the horrible actions its cast both does and is subjected to. Its biggest strength is just its visual artistic creativity.

    Inuyashiki, on the other hand, is something I can tentatively recommend. It still has numerous realistic depictions of violent acts which both the manga and show really focus on, but there are two big differences between the violence in it and the violence in Gantz: 1. All of the violence is treated pretty tastefully. It's gruesome, and the series treats it as such. There is needless petty cruelty in the series, and it is treated as horrifying. 2. There is a larger narrative and thematic purpose to the violence. The story of Inuyashiki is, to boil it down, about two people randomly and arbitrarily developing amazing super powers on the same day, and how they both choose to live their lives after that. The actions of these two characters, and other characters in the series, have lasting consequences. Thematically, it is about the capacity for kindness and cruelty in individuals and societies. Part of that is in unflinchingly depicting the awful behavior some its characters choose to indulge in. It isn't amazing, its plot isn't something that I think is totally good enough to unambiguously justify how unpleasant parts of it are, but it is miles above Gantz in tastefulness.

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Can't have melodrama if you're too dense to notice drama

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Can't have melodrama if you're too dense to notice drama

    Her love interests are all way more likely to kill each other long before even thinking of harming her.

    But as far as she's concerned, everyone is just good friends.

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    A lot has been made of Bakarina's inability to tell all these guys and girls are madly in love with her, but the crowning moment of her density has got to be (latest episode)
    finding a bright red button in a trap infested maze and immediately going "hmm, I wonder what this does"

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    Lars wrote: »
    All I know of Chihayafuru is that Crunchyroll ad that plays a bunch, where it seems that the object of the game that they play is to slap all of your opponent's cards off the board right when they try to make their move.

    Which honestly seems like the most frustrating shit.

    it's a competition of memorization and twitch reflexes

    the gist of it is there's a ref reciting poetry and players have to be first to claim the corresponding card

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8lRuEuPTxA

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    A lot has been made of Bakarina's inability to tell all these guys and girls are madly in love with her, but the crowning moment of her density has got to be (latest episode)
    finding a bright red button in a trap infested maze and immediately going "hmm, I wonder what this does"

    Ah the Strawhat entrance exam

    hey now, only like half the strawhats are exceedingly dumb

    maybe 2/3s

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Usopp is unintentionally dumb but just for gags. Brook is intentionally dumb for gags. Zoro is very dumb. Luffy is somehow even dumber. Nami and Robin aren't dumb. Franky and Chopper are both pretty dumb despite both ostensibly being very knowledgeable. Yes I omitted Sanji. yes it was purpose.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    A lot has been made of Bakarina's inability to tell all these guys and girls are madly in love with her, but the crowning moment of her density has got to be (latest episode)
    finding a bright red button in a trap infested maze and immediately going "hmm, I wonder what this does"

    Ah the Strawhat entrance exam

    hey now, only like half the strawhats are exceedingly dumb

    maybe 2/3s

    Some are situationally dumb.

    The rest just go along with the stupidity because they know they can't stop it

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Jinbei innocently sending Zoro to go off on his own and not realizing the problem with that was a great beat.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    Jinbei innocently sending Zoro to go off on his own and not realizing the problem with that was a great beat.

    I mean, the problem isn't that Zoro is in danger, it's just that he'll get lost. Honestly it probably works out fine since his enemies never have issues with getting impossibly lost - they'll find him easily regardless.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    Jinbei innocently sending Zoro to go off on his own and not realizing the problem with that was a great beat.

    Zoro getting lost will never get old.

    If Zoro had a sense of direction then the series' power balance would be broken.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    At this point the entire crew knows that whatever Luffy is not supposed to do he is going to do it, whether by accident or not, and they should just plan around that

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    been going through gunbuster with my roommate over the last week or two and listening to his friends' rewatch podcast

    wrapped up episode 6 tonight

    liek if u cri every tiem

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  • LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    I really need to see the OVA version of Gunbuster, I've only seen the movie which is still good but you can clearly tell it was edited for time.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Getting started on my Legend of the Galactic Heroes binge and they had 3 episodes in a row with an assassination plot.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited April 24
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Getting started on my Legend of the Galactic Heroes binge and they had 3 episodes in a row with an assassination plot.

    That's politics...

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I am somewhat surprised that the Romans didn't take the root word from "murder" instead of "people".

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    been going through gunbuster with my roommate over the last week or two and listening to his friends' rewatch podcast

    wrapped up episode 6 tonight

    liek if u cri every tiem

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited April 24
    For tonight I stopped after episode 18 of Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

    But, folks, can we talk about how the entire game seems to have changed in episode 16.
    The Grand Minister aka Darth Sideous has arrived???

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  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I could really do without Keith being into his sister/cousin in Bakarina. It's particularly a shame because I actually like him in the scenes where they're focusing on the angle of him being the beleaguered younger sibling having to keep an eye on his older sister when she's being a weird idiot.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    Stilts wrote: »
    Beasteh wrote: »
    if you are going to take the plunge this is slightly outdated but a good primer

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    notably, kizu movies are now all released (i would watch these between bake and nise, they provide a huge amount of backstory on araragi) and kizu owarimonogatari is the latest anime adaptation

    Monogatari Second Season is, in my mind, the best season, because it contains Tsubasa Tiger, Shinobu Time, and Hitagi End, which are really fucking good. Mayoi Jiangshi and Nadeko Medusa also have really good moments but lean into Monogatari's worst aspects a bit too often for me to fully praise them.

    Hell, I'd argue that Tsubasa Tiger is probably the best arc in the entire show.

    I'd also rate Suruga Devil/Hanamonogatari in Monogatari Second Season too, and it's absolutely incredibly and what I think is the best arc in the entire show haha (followed by Tsubasa Tiger)
    Kana wrote: »
    the monogatari series is frustrating. When it's being serious, the anime usually knows to cut the crap and actually does a good job. But like the novels are really heavy on double entendres, it loves making things sound dirty, only to reveal that it was innocent all along. The anime usually just takes those double entendres and makes it literal, because dirty stuff helps them sell blurays. But then once the scene's over it's still like it never happened, they're just meant to be viewed as non-serious throwaway scenes.

    It's frustrating because when the series actually tries it can be downright brilliant. Araragi and Senjougahara's relationship is weird but actually really healthy and loving. The show's got visual style for days. The way later seasons change narrators and how the world changes as a result is really cool. Almost all of the side characters are cool. The way the story introduces creepy-ass Oshino Ougi as an antagonist is seriously fantastic.

    Yeah to me monogatari is the very definition of problematic fav because everything except the shitty stuff is just fucking top-tier masterpiece. If I could get like a director's cut that just removed the really bad shit I'd be one billion percent onto that within a heartbeat, because the rest of the show is just so close to my heart.

    But I can't easily recommend it to people because of the problematic stuff, so I only do so to people I trust to not take the problematic stuff as an indication that I actually like those parts, because I sure as heck do not.

    Thankfully it does get better as the series goes on, but the stuff in nisei in particular is just real problematic.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Zonugal wrote: »
    TNTrooper wrote: »
    Getting started on my Legend of the Galactic Heroes binge and they had 3 episodes in a row with an assassination plot.

    That's politics...

    ESPECIALLY Japanese politics

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