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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    edited April 22
    my problem with princess connect is generic main character’s crippling amnesia isn’t humor to me at all? And more just really sad? “trying to get someone to not swallow the coins they’ve just been handed” isn’t as funny when you’ve worked with the intellectually disabled

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    My wife and I binged the Erased anime this weekend. I'd read the manga before, but she hadn't.

    One cool thing they did in the anime...

    (Actual plot spoilers)
    Episode 10 ends with the main character seemingly dying, and then the OP for episode 11 was edited to completely remove him from it. I don't mean they removed the scenes he was in, they still showed all the same scenes he just wasn't there anymore.

    Reversing the narrator voice for episode 11 was also a nice touch.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    yeah the P4 anime did that
    in the start of the P4 The Golden anime it was treated like NG+ with all his social stats and persona levels maxed at the start

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Cold take: Every persona animated adaptation is pretty bad.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Princess Connect's MC is a generic RPG character who picks the joke dialog option every time.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    any narrative designer who writes RPG joke dialogue that is that insensitive of folks with intellectual disabilities gets paid way more than they should

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    I never read it as making fun of intellectual disabilities so much as just "this character is comically out of his depth", but, uh, yeah, thinking about it again that is pretty sketch.

    And since the main appeal of the show is just watching Karyl make ridiculous faces I could definitely due without those kind of jokes.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 24
    I'd be surprised if it was intentionally making fun of them, but it's definitely pretty insensitive in how it was written.

    There's better ways to write a character with amnesia, and many of those ways can include comedy too! But having a character just try and eat coins and do other things that people with genuine amnesia don't really do is just lazy hack writing and it makes the artform worse just by existing imo

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I never got the impression that the main character of Princess Connect is the way he is because of amnesia. He's the way he is because that's the way that EVERY goddamned protagonist of these kinds of shows and games are, and they're just not bothering to give him any more lines or involvement in things than the one or two token meaningless random dialogue interjections that RPGs are full of. Like I wouldn't be shocked at all if most of the script was verbatim lifted from the game it's based on. The Persona comparison is apt. Yu didn't spend every episode and scene staring blankly into space as a comment on mental illnesses or autism, but because the script adapters were really, really lazy and/or scared of giving him some kind of personality/lines that didn't exist in the original game.

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Damn, Ascendance of a Bookworm is going to some dark places.

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    edited April 22
    @Janson and I are watching the Diamond Is Unbreakable live-action movie

    Honestly, it’s not too bad! They’ve done a decent job of adapting it.

    I had to look up and see if Keicho’s hair was as ridiculous in the anime, and it looks like it got toned down a little bit for the live action, but not by much.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Calling what the MC has amnesia isn't accurate. That would be implying some kind of condition. His memories are being witheld from him. That is made clear in the start.

    The entire scene where he tries to eat the coin is pretty well written. A lady is making fun of Kokkoro as being his girlfriend after she denies being his sister. He's hungry and trying to get food. She just hands him the coin without telling him anything so he tries to eat it.

    If you are a hungry child and your mom hands you something you'd stick it in your mouth. That's what kids do. She even responds like he's a child after. Even getting him to spit it into her hands.

    It's a joke defining their relationship, not as lovers or even as master and servant like Kokkoro claims, but as a mom looking after her clueless child.

    It's not some complex slight.

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  • simulacrumsimulacrum She/herRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Just finished the second Code Geass movie. Man, these things are so baffling.

    On the positive side, nearly all the scenes set at school and nearly all the objectification of the female characters is removed. The character of Mao is completely excised, and Shirley doesn't get fridged.

    On the negative side, a lot of pivotal battles and scenes from season one are glossed over, the first half of season two is covered at such a breakneck pace that many major events occur off-screen (including Lelouch getting his memories back and dropping a building on Viceroy Calares), Euphemia and Rolo get almost no build-up or character development, and Shirley doesn't really do much of anything at all.

    I'm not sure who these movies are even for. Hypothetically the shorter runtime and lack of time wasting "anime bullshit" (high school scenes, fan service, etc) would be better for new viewers, but the section covering the first half of season two especially glosses over things so quickly that only someone who has seen the show before would have no idea what's going on.

    I think my "favorite" change so far involves Nina and Euphemia's relationship. In the original series the two of them are part of a group of hostages at a hotel detained by a Japanese liberation group, with Euphemia drawing attention to herself to hopefully save everyone else. In the movies these events never happen; instead, Euphemia just presented Nina an award for academic achievement or something.

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  • djmdjm Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Promised Neverland seems to be ending on a copout
    It's only a twist in that everyone expected some horrible price like Emma dying, and nope, everyone is fine.

    Nothing since the first arc has captured the terror of the beginning.

    Yeah, this ending is just bunk, if you ask me, at least based on the most recent chapter.
    There's been an awful lot of "this Very Bad Character gets redeemed" as we go along, which has got pretty tiring after a while, but cancelling out what was expected to be some sort of Very Bad Event that we've had hanging over us for a long time by just saying "ah, whatever, never mind" really feels like cheating more than it ought to.

    And, yeah, it started off So Good, but other than the Goldy Pond arc, everything else outside Grace Field has felt like a bit of a let-down, and all the new bits of world / characters just seem to dilute the original things that I liked about the story.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I know I've been complaining about these movies, but I just got to one of my favorite exchanges in Code Geass:

    Suzaku: "You could have tried to work within the system!"
    Kallen: "And what about the people who can't get into the system?! How are we supposed to tell people it's wrong?!"
    Suzaku: "You!"
    Kallen: "Don't you dare look down on others, you egotistical punk!"

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Yeah, while Suzaku and Lelouch both have their own selfish reasons for doing what they do it's Kallen who is the actual hero character of Code Geass because she fights for the people.

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  • notyanotya Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    The problem with promised Neverland was that the monsters were just humans. They spoke English, wore clothes, had a normal human society, etc.

    They needed to be some unknowable hp Lovecraft shit.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I mean nah I think monsters being just people is a better story beat, especially in a story focused around children.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    Madican wrote: »
    Yeah, while Suzaku and Lelouch both have their own selfish reasons for doing what they do it's Kallen who is the actual hero character of Code Geass because she fights for the people.

    lelouch's actions and thought process break down to even a second of scrutiny
    it's played as some 200iq 4D chess God Emperor of Dune without understanding what Leto II was about and also he could fucking control peoples actions

    and instead of controlling the royal family to not be shits, or launching a coup and being a good king(or just abolishing the monarchy himself), he becomes a tyrant after creating a civil war to... help people and create a stable state without injustice??????

    just

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I started the Code Geass sequel movie and it's immediately very weird. So far, at least, the stakes are way lower and it's a random grab bag of characters (Kallen, C.C., Sayoko, and Lloyd) on a secret mission to save Nunnally and Suzaku. Also, Shirley is confirmed to still be alive, but so far hasn't even appeared on-screen.

    Unless something major happens I'm happy to enjoy the movie for what it is and consider it non-canon to the original series.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Yeah, while Suzaku and Lelouch both have their own selfish reasons for doing what they do it's Kallen who is the actual hero character of Code Geass because she fights for the people.

    lelouch's actions and thought process break down to even a second of scrutiny
    it's played as some 200iq 4D chess God Emperor of Dune without understanding what Leto II was about and also he could fucking control peoples actions

    and instead of controlling the royal family to not be shits, or launching a coup and being a good king(or just abolishing the monarchy himself), he becomes a tyrant after creating a civil war to... help people and create a stable state without injustice??????

    just

    what
    His end goal was to become so monstrous by conquering the world that all of humanity would be united against him so that when "Zero" struck him down and backed Nunally as the global ruler people would accept it and she'd be able to rule justly without having shed the blood to get that power in the first place.

    It's not a half-bad goal I think, but the problem with it is that it has no longevity. Nunally might be a good ruler, but what of the next person on that throne? Or the person after them? The whole grand scheme only works briefly. Granted there's ways to make it so Nunally never leaves the throne, giving her a Code to make her immortal being the chief one, but that just leads to an array of different problems as the world inevitably diverges from her beliefs and biases while she remains the same for eternity.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Madican wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Yeah, while Suzaku and Lelouch both have their own selfish reasons for doing what they do it's Kallen who is the actual hero character of Code Geass because she fights for the people.

    lelouch's actions and thought process break down to even a second of scrutiny
    it's played as some 200iq 4D chess God Emperor of Dune without understanding what Leto II was about and also he could fucking control peoples actions

    and instead of controlling the royal family to not be shits, or launching a coup and being a good king(or just abolishing the monarchy himself), he becomes a tyrant after creating a civil war to... help people and create a stable state without injustice??????

    just

    what
    His end goal was to become so monstrous by conquering the world that all of humanity would be united against him so that when "Zero" struck him down and backed Nunally as the global ruler people would accept it and she'd be able to rule justly without having shed the blood to get that power in the first place.

    It's not a half-bad goal I think, but the problem with it is that it has no longevity. Nunally might be a good ruler, but what of the next person on that throne? Or the person after them? The whole grand scheme only works briefly. Granted there's ways to make it so Nunally never leaves the throne, giving her a Code to make her immortal being the chief one, but that just leads to an array of different problems as the world inevitably diverges from her beliefs and biases while she remains the same for eternity.

    Actually, looking at the Code Geass wiki:
    Nunnally remains as a figurehead in the recently downgraded Principality of Britannia, guarded and assisted by the new Zero. However, as people who have used the F.L.E.I.J.A. in the past must not be involved in politics, she has no actual power and cannot decide on government matters. The nation is instead lead by Prince Schneizel, who is still under Lelouch's Geass to serve "Zero", and a group of remaining Britannian nobles, so she can only propose changes to the Britannian parliament.

    So she's not even in charge of Brittania, much less the world. Lelouch's actions mainly amounted to reducing Brittania's power and influence and preventing Charles and Schneizel's plans.

    Personally I think I mostly like Code Geass for the central conceit, setting, characters, and ideological conflicts. The execution leaves much to be desired.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 22
    "Code Geass: The execution leaves much to be desired"

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    That said, I think Lelouch's actions make more sense in-character if you understand that he's very emotional and illogical despite his intellect.

    Prime example:
    He had the power to compel perpetual obedience from anyone. He knew this because one of his first uses of his power was to compel a girl to make a tally mark on a specific wall once per day. However, he had his own code of ethics that forbade him from using anything more than limited-time commands that would also grant the victims future immunity to his powers.

    For the most part, at least.

    Even Lelouch's own voice actor pointed out in an interview that Lelouch could have hypothetically used his powers in a more effective and peaceful manner, but that Lelouch had other competing ideals and motivations.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Code Geass: Cool Robots

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I'd love to see an adaptation of Code Geass that took the premise and setting more seriously, but I'm also not sure who could be trusted to do that.

    For one thing, the revelation to the Black Knights' inner circle that the leader of their Japanese liberation group is both unidentified and confirmed to not to be Japanese himself seems like it should be a bigger deal than it is portrayed. In the original series the Black Knights only care once it is proven to them that their leader has mind control capabilities and is himself of Brittanian royal blood. Even then, their primary concern is that they are uncertain as to the extent at which they have been manipulated by mind control. The fact that their leader is someone descended from the family that conquered their homeland isn't given near enough importance.

    I could also see more being done with the conflict between Suzaku, a Japanese man serving as a soldier for his homeland's conquerors in the hopes that he could achieve reform to make things better for his people, and Kallen, a biracial individual who could pass as Brittanian Kallen Stadtfield and avoid racial discrimination but instead fights for the oppressed Japanese as Kallen Kozuki in a Japanese liberation terrorist organization that opposes Brittania.

    In addition, there's the fact that Princess Euphemia's proposal for the Special Administrative Zone of Japan is viewed a lot more positively in the show than I expect it would be in reality. Despite members of the Black Knights being skeptical of the idea, Lelouch is convinced it is a death blow to his anti-Brittanian movement. In real life I'd expect a proposal for a modern day glorified ethnic minority reservation to go over like a lead balloon.

    It's also never remarked upon in the original series that more than one of the Purebloods (a Brittanian group primarily drawn from the nobility opposed to the "Honorary Citizenship" system) is a person of color. I'd expect Brittania, as a society that developed from an AU colonial America that lost the Revolutionary War, to be explicitly white supremacist. However, Pureblood member Villetta Nu is clearly a person of color, as is at least one more minor character introduced briefly later on in season two. Further, supplemental materials reveal that Villetta is not of noble blood, but that Jeremiah (a white Brittanian) longed for an opportunity to bestow upon her the rank of Baroness so that her descendants could be counted as nobility. That sounds like an interesting story, but one that is never elaborated upon in the original series.

    And, of course, there is the morality of Lelouch's own methods to consider. His ability to impose his own will upon others, to compel them to perform actions completely against their nature.

    I want a woke, leftist, anticolonialist take on Code Geass is what I'm saying, I guess. That may be a silly thing to want, but it seems clear to me that Code Geass's original creator wanted to explore many of these topics but perhaps was never given the full opportunity to do so.

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  • DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    a version of TPN that went with "actually the bad guys are just bad guys one and all" or lovecraft shit would undercut some of the best parts of even its first arc thematically

    like i'm pretty iffy on how things have turned out, but i think one of the series' greatest strengths is its continuing escalation of "and here's how it's still a prison this far up the chain, even for the antagonists"

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  • SkulkrakenSkulkraken Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    I never got the impression that the main character of Princess Connect is the way he is because of amnesia. He's the way he is because that's the way that EVERY goddamned protagonist of these kinds of shows and games are, and they're just not bothering to give him any more lines or involvement in things than the one or two token meaningless random dialogue interjections that RPGs are full of. Like I wouldn't be shocked at all if most of the script was verbatim lifted from the game it's based on. The Persona comparison is apt. Yu didn't spend every episode and scene staring blankly into space as a comment on mental illnesses or autism, but because the script adapters were really, really lazy and/or scared of giving him some kind of personality/lines that didn't exist in the original game.

    The actual game apparently uses short animated cutscenes mixed in with regular dialog windows, and from what little I've seen of them floating around on Youtube, the MC behaves exactly the same in-game as in the anime.

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Daypigeon wrote: »
    a version of TPN that went with "actually the bad guys are just bad guys one and all" or lovecraft shit would undercut some of the best parts of even its first arc thematically

    like i'm pretty iffy on how things have turned out, but i think one of the series' greatest strengths is its continuing escalation of "and here's how it's still a prison this far up the chain, even for the antagonists"

    I think one big issue with Promised Neverland is that we're finding more out about the demons SO late in the game that story ends up really scrambling to play catch up in both setting up dilemmas regarding what we learn and then offering solutions pretty much right after.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 22
    Code Geass: Desks Need Love Too

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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Madican wrote: »
    Yeah, while Suzaku and Lelouch both have their own selfish reasons for doing what they do it's Kallen who is the actual hero character of Code Geass because she fights for the people.

    She's also, far as I know, the best actual pilot in the series by a country mile? Which is actually a pretty neat detail if so.

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Black Lagoon is starting up again this fall! In celebration, I've been rewatching the anime which features quite possibly the best English dub of all time. Oh yeah, and very NSFW.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cyLyJTWpzc

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    I've never watched Black Lagoon, but if the sub is anywhere near as good as Cowboy Bebop's, maybe I should check it out.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 24
    Drascin wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Yeah, while Suzaku and Lelouch both have their own selfish reasons for doing what they do it's Kallen who is the actual hero character of Code Geass because she fights for the people.

    She's also, far as I know, the best actual pilot in the series by a country mile? Which is actually a pretty neat detail if so.

    Yeah, Suzaku is next best and whenever he beats her, it's as a result of shenanigans.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 22
    Black Lagoon is starting up again this fall! In celebration, I've been rewatching the anime which features quite possibly the best English dub of all time. Oh yeah, and very NSFW.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cyLyJTWpzc

    I imagine those two have hate-sex for days.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited April 24
    I've never watched Black Lagoon, but if the sub is anywhere near as good as Cowboy Bebop's, maybe I should check it out.

    I love Black Lagoon, but I also recognize that it is very very very of its time and more than a bit edgelordy, but I'm a big sucker for a great action scene and some of those action scenes are all-timers.

    Dub-wise, it's great. Maryke Hendrikse starts out a bit rough for Revy, but after a few episodes Maryke grew into my default Revy voice. Everyone else does great and comes to play from the start, though.

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