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  • AbacusAbacus Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Huh, that's weird. Did had to get VHS for the movies, but I saw the entirety of Dragonball, and Z, and GT on national broadcast and it was fine.

    Then, for what I've read around, the story of the dub of Z was...let's go with "conflicted", to say the least.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The first anime I remember well, as in I watched a lot of and thought I wanted to see more, was

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VloMC21HIWo

    Which pretty much shaped my interests from that point.

    Love romance? Check. Hence my interest in shoujou.

    Mecha and sci fi? Check. I love sci fi.

    Psychological attacks? Check. Interested in psychological drama.

    BIG FUCK OFF BEAAAAMMMMSSSSSSS CHECK CHECK CHECK CHECK CHECK

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    (PSN: Morninglord) (Steam: Morninglord) (WiiU: Morninglord22) I like to record and toss up a lot of random gaming videos here.
  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I remember learning about upcoming DBZ sagas and plot twists by playing DBZ RPGs in starcraft custom mode

    yeah same this and geocities pages, and fuckin' gachapon sticker machines at the mall that had Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon and Pokemon stickers, with designs I had never seen for the DB characters from Cell, Buu and GT. Hell even regular Super Saiyan Goku since this was before someone rescued the license from Ocean and finished the damn Freeza arc.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    If anyone wants to join the AniMenagerie spinoff night for subtitle anime, we are starting tomorrow (Saturday) night at 6pm PST / 9pm EST and will be watching Sailor Moon S, Symphogear, and SSSS.Dynazenon.

    Which I just realize is a lot of anime with 'S' in the title for a night we've been calling AniMenagerie S.

    We text chat in Discord while watching stuff, and it's a lot of fun. Come check it out if you can.

    Monday nights is the main night with the dubbed stuff, and the new season of that will be starting on January 31st. Until then we're finishing up season 2 of Bakarina and watching some random oavs and movies.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Lars wrote: »
    Which I just realize is a lot of anime with 'S' in the title for a night we've been calling AniMenagerie S.

    I'm glad someone noticed.

    Sandāboruto Fantajī: Sword Seekers wasn't a random choice either!

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    oh speaking of


    (this is a movie for the longrunning puppet TV show pili fantasy that thunderbolt fantasy is sort of a spinoff from, by the same production company)

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  • TravanTravan Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The abruptly ended original run of localized DBZ drove many of us insane
    I watched my cousins vhs tapes of the early android saga like they had been smuggled out of the pentagon. Distinctly remember thinking King Cold was the coolest guy who had to come back and was definitely not a one and done mustache twirler

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    He's cooler than bein' cool. He's ice Cold.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Bisque Doll apparently speedrunning to get right to the problematic stuff and revel in it. Like, the drooling over a doll head stuff in episode 1 I found weird and creepy, but the second episode's 'measurement scene' is full over-animated strip tease into spread-legged softcore Maxim shots with extra jiggling fanservice and like a third of the episode.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I feel like Bisque Doll has changed Gojo's character to be much more generic anime protagonist who overreacts at everything, and the camera is a lot more leery than I remembered.

    I don't know if the manga was like that back at the start and I just forgot, or if it's something the anime changed.

    I am a big fan of the manga, though. However, I admittedly have a weak spot for the 'gyaru with a heart of gold' trope, and Marin is top three at that (along with Anjou-san and Manbagi).

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I can't speak to what the manga is like, but the anime is definitely all in on playing up him as maximum awkward and weird, perpetually in a state of anxious panic with full open mouth, flushed face, panting and quivering lip grins every time he looks at either the doll or the girl. What the kids I believe call cringe. And oops, camera's on the girl's underwear again.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Bisque Doll apparently speedrunning to get right to the problematic stuff and revel in it. Like, the drooling over a doll head stuff in episode 1 I found weird and creepy, but the second episode's 'measurement scene' is full over-animated strip tease into spread-legged softcore Maxim shots with extra jiggling fanservice and like a third of the episode.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Saw Belle in theaters (English dub). I was not blown away by it, unfortunately. The movies by this director and team (I'm just going to say Studio Chizu from here on) usually have plots that build on your engagement and emotions increasingly until a blow out finale that brings excitement and emotion to a fever pitch. This movie... needed like 3 more editing passes. While Summer Wars (and Digimon) were definitely fantasy versions of a social network/metaverse type internet, the internal logic was relatively sound. Belle's vision of a popular social network is unhinged lunacy by comparison. More on that in the spoiler space. Story logic on the whole is nowhere to be found, things just happen again and again to advance the plot, so that it will advance. There's still scenes that exhibit the excellent comedy from the previous Chizu movies, but way more time is taken up by scenes of Bell just kind of... wandering in the U network. I do like the songs, but they aren't a focus like I thought they would be, only 3 of them really create a memorable moment, imo.
    So U is shown as like... a big open area with voicechat always on. Yet instead of this being a terrifying cacophony of sound, Bell zoning into the center and singing instantly grabs a massive amount of attention. The population of U is said to be 5 billion, yet a new user choosing to sing in the market is apparently a shocking, unprecedented event.

    When they decide to get The Beast plot moving, it's said that he is hated for being in the arena and beating people up "too much"? Until the "data degrades"? No insight on what exactly this is supposed to mean is EVER provided. Why can the fighting mechanics of the U network let the character models degrade? What happens when they do? This is the entire basis of The Beast being feared, misunderstood, and even hated and they spend ZERO time on it. It's also unclear what the mechanics of forcing a fight into what is presumably a paid event space is. If this is possible, wouldn't trolls do it all the time as a matter of course? Basically, zero thought was put into the logic of the setting of U.

    Justin and his group desire to provide "order", which makes a certain amount of sense since apparently there aren't actually community rules or moderators? The developer of U (The Light) states that the system is fine as is without any work on their end, which... okay that's pretty realistic from a social network, but very very stupid as a plot driver. Another absolutely unhinged concept that the movie totally breezes by. Justin has the doxing beam (and looks so much like a Mega Man X style character model I found it extremely distracting), and everyone just thinks this is... fine? At one point, he's captured Bell and says to her, "Have you ever wondered why I have this power?" Yes, I thought, why do you have system level access, that's a good question. Let's hear the answer. He... doesn't tell her. Despite bringing it up! And we never find out!! Then at the end, he doxes Bell, but everyone understands it to be something she did to herself (despite it happening in a vortex of crowded programs, how did they correctly see what happened?). She sings as Suzu instead of Bell, and everyone is very impressed. Then Justin's sponsors abandon him... for some reason? It's not clear what he was sponsored to DO and why carrying out his threat to dox Bell made them dislike him suddenly. We never get any sense of who Justin really was in real life, despite that being the main theme of the entire movie, and he learns nothing and experiences no growth, but he also doesn't have a villain burn out. Bell just fires his laser, then his sponsors ditch him and... that's it.

    The Beast is said to have "bruises" all over his back, but... they're clearly a texture on his cape? We don't really see his physical back, ever. It's such a bizarre treatment of such an important aspect to the character. His CLOTHING is bruised, but he's also a computer character model, so you can take that as part of his body, but wouldn't the impact have been MUCH greater if it was his actual BODY??

    The specifics of The Beast having a castle... in a maze of some kind... protected by fairy AIs is just... it's nothing. The movie is like "this may as well be a thing, eh?" I guess he... bought stuff using winnings from the Arena? Sure, why not. But then you remember that the movie made a point of saying real money earnings could be a way to trace somebody (why would that information be traceable, wtf) in Bell's case. But not in The Beast's case. Why? Shut up, that's why. There's also that part where Bell leaves The Beast's castle and is flying away, stealthily (why?), and then Justin's group catches her. They immediately KNOW that she must have found The Beast's homebase (why?) because this is... an area known to contain it (how does that work?). And then they take her to an interrogation area and she what... can't log out? This whole bit is like Sword Art Online or .hack, except somehow with not even 1% of the work put in to make the setting coherent.

    Both Suzu's love interest Shinobu and the adult choir she sings with have figured out she is Bell... somehow. Neither of these deductions are explained one iota. You could say, "they recognized her singing voice," but... how exactly? The entire plot of the movie is that she's been incapable of singing publicly for YEARS. Doing so ALONE is so traumatizing she vomits at the start of the movie, clearly she hasn't been singing clearly for these people to hear since her mother died. And her voice would sound entirely different from any child singing they would have heard, she's a teenager now. It's really deflating for the "Bell is a secret kept expertly from everyone" plotline when... everyone she knows instantly correctly deducts that it's her?

    The climax of the movie being preventing child abuse is just... severely out of left field. The thematic connection of "helping a stranger" between what happened to her mom and what she has to do at the ending is just not enough, at all. Especially because... she's not helping a stranger! She has a relationship of sorts with the Beast by the time she races to try to help him. So the ONE thing that would make it a thing... is not a thing. When the climactic scene of this part happens, I was just silently musing, "What MOVIE is this now???" It's also immensely upsetting that all these adults who have an awareness of what's happening just put her on the train and wish her luck with the PHYSICALLY VIOLENT adult man she's off to confront. Sure, that'll go great! And then he just... gets surprised by this strange young teenager and peaces out? It's not good, at all.

    Like Last Night at Soho, this was a movie by one of my favorite directors/teams that I went and saw completely on faith, but it just didn't do it for me, for the first time. Hopefully they'll hit closer to the mark of what I like next time, shrug.

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  • notyanotya Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Oghulk wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    I can't speak to what the manga is like, but the anime is definitely all in on playing up him as maximum awkward and weird, perpetually in a state of anxious panic with full open mouth, flushed face, panting and quivering lip grins every time he looks at either the doll or the girl. What the kids I believe call cringe. And oops, camera's on the girl's underwear again.

    Well you just sold me off the anime, but I'm gonna read the manga. Someone's recommendation of Anjou-San hit the nail on the head for the type of rom-com manga that is my guilty pleasure

    Anjou is like the description above btw. Except less restraint and less interesting.

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  • djmdjm Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Few things I read recently that are sort of similar:

    "Doujima-Kun won't be disturbed" has the same sort of "girl teases guy" idea except that the guy is completely unflustered the whole time which makes for a nice change when she just bounces right off him. It's completed, but I guess other than the guy's character it felt pretty generic. Fun enough that I read it all, though.

    "Hokkaido Gals / Dosanku Gyaru Are Super Cute" started off okay but has recently gone down the path of "which girl" which is a bit of a shame because it was better without that bit of plot. It does have a bunch of interesting facts about Hokkaido in there, though (and it's interesting recognising some of the place names from Golden Kamuy)

    "Fuufuu Ijou, Koibito Minman" ('More than a married couple, but not lovers'), uggghhh, it is dumb. While it started off with 'guy and gal who is out of his league', the progress of that part was very predictable, and it also went towards 'which girl' almost immediately and I wish I didn't want to know what happens in the end because it is very unclear why either of the "which girls" likes the main character in the first place because he is a Big Dud more than usual. Ugh.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    B Gata H Kei (localized as Yamada's First Time) if you want more of a comedy angle, with a very solid anime adaptation. Stylish gal who wants to have 100 sex friends, but is also terrified of sex and generally neurotic as shit, so she grabs the least threatening dude she can find and forces him to date her and go through all the steps of a relationship. It's quite funny and adorable, and much more about them trying to have a relationship (and generally sucking at it, but sucking at it together) than the will-they/won't-they crap most media pulls for years. Also, her VA is the same as Nanoha's/Ranpha's, which just makes it all the funnier.

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  • notyanotya Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Oghulk wrote: »
    notya wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    I can't speak to what the manga is like, but the anime is definitely all in on playing up him as maximum awkward and weird, perpetually in a state of anxious panic with full open mouth, flushed face, panting and quivering lip grins every time he looks at either the doll or the girl. What the kids I believe call cringe. And oops, camera's on the girl's underwear again.

    Well you just sold me off the anime, but I'm gonna read the manga. Someone's recommendation of Anjou-San hit the nail on the head for the type of rom-com manga that is my guilty pleasure

    Anjou is like the description above btw. Except less restraint and less interesting.

    I'm all caught up on Anjous latest translations and love it

    Then you'll probably like bisque too!

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Animenagerie S went well! Dynazenon looks really promising!

    The other two are exactly what I expected. I'm glad the few that have no clue what Symphogear's about seemed to enjoy it.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Today, the stream beheld the greatest evil maniacal laughter of this or any era.

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  • PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Even if I don't watch a ton of anime, spooky shiny glasses is a classic.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    World Trigger and Kuroitsu-san didn't broadcast on Crunchyroll for some reason.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    For those of you who watched Sailor Moon S with us last night, I just thought you might appreciate the difference between the monsters in the anime versus the manga.

    Here's a fairly typical example of the anime's monster ladies:

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    In contrast, here's the manga counterpart:

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    For those of you who watched Sailor Moon S with us last night, I just thought you might appreciate the difference between the monsters in the anime versus the manga.

    Here's a fairly typical example of the anime's monster ladies:

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    In contrast, here's the manga counterpart:

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    This is one of many reasons I constantly go to bat for the original series, especially over the manga. It adds so much more charm to everything.


    Tomoe is a non-character in the manga, just a generic villain leader.

    The anime goes full HAM and lets him run wild:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYeL4Ch0UiY

    Crystal is faithful to the manga, meaning he's utterly boring.

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    D-, would not play twister with.

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  • AbacusAbacus Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The problems with Crystal are multitude.

    Let's start with the original manga not holding up that well these days, and then Toei gave the whole thing to a bunch of dinguses that were used to just cranking out PreCure seasons every year, so the usual cheap animation and bad CGI are rampant. Then there's the idea of removing a lot of the humor that the manga did had in the name of being more "mature" (Read: Sandblasting a lot of the personalities of the cast).

    By the third season they realized that they made a mistake, so they gave it to Chiaki Kon, famously known as the director of Higurashi, aka someone who had actual skill at the craft, but it was too little too late. They did released a two part movie covering Super S, but that was pretty much it.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    The problems with Crystal are multitude.

    Let's start with the original manga not holding up that well these days, and then Toei gave the whole thing to a bunch of dinguses that were used to just cranking out PreCure seasons every year, so the usual cheap animation and bad CGI are rampant. Then there's the idea of removing a lot of the humor that the manga did had in the name of being more "mature" (Read: Sandblasting a lot of the personalities of the cast).

    By the third season they realized that they made a mistake, so they gave it to Chiaki Kon, famously known as the director of Higurashi, aka someone who had actual skill at the craft, but it was too little too late. They did released a two part movie covering Super S, but that was pretty much it.

    I hope they stop there, I don't think I could take them trying to ruin Stars like they did S.

    Crystal S3 was a valiant effort, but it was still clearly hamstrung by the manga and being slavishly faithful to the source material.


    Also, the original show has fantastic music, something that's another huge step down in Crystal.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXeK_JPSYBA

    Top shelf violin.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    World Trigger and Kuroitsu-san didn't broadcast on Crunchyroll for some reason.

    Almost certainly the volcano/tsunami evacuation stuff. I know that a number (but not all) of Kuroitsu's broadcasts were canceled yesterday (HTB, Hokkaido's wasn't). The simulcast agreements are generally with the TV stations (well, more specifically, simulcasters used to be pretty much owned by the stations), not the anime producers, so that's likely why.

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  • J-bobJ-bob J-bob in games Death MountainRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    For those of you who watched Sailor Moon S with us last night, I just thought you might appreciate the difference between the monsters in the anime versus the manga.

    Here's a fairly typical example of the anime's monster ladies:

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    In contrast, here's the manga counterpart:

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    This is bimboification.

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  • AbacusAbacus Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    The problems with Crystal are multitude.

    Let's start with the original manga not holding up that well these days, and then Toei gave the whole thing to a bunch of dinguses that were used to just cranking out PreCure seasons every year, so the usual cheap animation and bad CGI are rampant. Then there's the idea of removing a lot of the humor that the manga did had in the name of being more "mature" (Read: Sandblasting a lot of the personalities of the cast).

    By the third season they realized that they made a mistake, so they gave it to Chiaki Kon, famously known as the director of Higurashi, aka someone who had actual skill at the craft, but it was too little too late. They did released a two part movie covering Super S, but that was pretty much it.

    I hope they stop there, I don't think I could take them trying to ruin Stars like they did S.

    Crystal S3 was a valiant effort, but it was still clearly hamstrung by the manga and being slavishly faithful to the source material.


    Also, the original show has fantastic music, something that's another huge step down in Crystal.
    http s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXeK_JPSYBA

    Top shelf violin.

    And is a shame, because Moon Pride, the Crystal OP, slaps:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0Va228UhRs

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I bet they changed the monster designs into people 90% because it's much easier to animate
    The designs becoming much more memorable was a lucky side effect/product of the skill of the anime staff

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    It's really interesting to see the parallels between Crystal and Dragon Ball Super. Like the new Broly movie was really good but the large majority of Super is mid tier to bad, with really not good animation. Going back to future Trunks was a mistake...

    Tho I guess it would be more comparable to DB Kai and I will always prefer the OG animation, just had more feeling behind it

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  • McHogerMcHoger Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I bet they changed the monster designs into people 90% because it's much easier to animate
    The designs becoming much more memorable was a lucky side effect/product of the skill of the anime staff

    I think it's because the manga doesn't do the MOTW thing.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Ok 50% of the reason

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  • AbacusAbacus Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    It's really interesting to see the parallels between Crystal and Dragon Ball Super. Like the new Broly movie was really good but the large majority of Super is mid tier to bad, with really not good animation. Going back to future Trunks was a mistake...

    Tho I guess it would be more comparable to DB Kai and I will always prefer the OG animation, just had more feeling behind it

    Super was just a poorly animated and tedious slog until like the second half of the future Trunks arc and onwards.

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I like the sailor moon manga, but it's got this kind of ethereal, dreamlike vibe to it that doesn't seem suited to a straight adaption. Well, not the way Crystal did it at any rate.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    I like the sailor moon manga, but it's got this kind of ethereal, dreamlike vibe to it that doesn't seem suited to a straight adaption. Well, not the way Crystal did it at any rate.

    I could see it working as, like, an Utena deconstruction, but there was no way the show was going to get away with that. Doing a straight adaptation, especially with that bland art style, was the worst choice they could have made.
    darunia106 wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    For those of you who watched Sailor Moon S with us last night, I just thought you might appreciate the difference between the monsters in the anime versus the manga.

    Here's a fairly typical example of the anime's monster ladies:

    y9mpvafbkbyq.png

    In contrast, here's the manga counterpart:

    zfcr16h67v0j.jpg

    This is bimboification.

    A lot of the monsters in the show are given tons of character, especially in S's pilot, when Tomoe's VERY FIRST DAIMOHN utterly destroys the entire team, including Tuxedo Mask, without breaking a sweat.

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    "YOUR FORTUNE IS VERY BAD!"

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    It's interesting to note that Sailor Moon was kind of a collaborative effort between Takeuchi and Toei.

    The first episode of the anime premiered three months after the first chapter of the manga.

    So personally I see them as 2 works in conversation with each other, and the differences in tone and direction to be rather intentional, as well as them going after slightly separate but mostly overlapping audiences

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