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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    RT800 wrote: »
    Can someone explain something to me about the latest Attack on Titan?
    What's Ymir's deal here? Some king shows up, kills and enslaves her folks, and tries to have her hunted down like an animal.

    By sheer chance she obtains the power of the titans, and instead of using it to wreck holy hell on the shitbags that tormented her she... willing enslaves herself to them again?

    Then she dies, but she's... still a slave... in some frozen time dimension? Why? And how did Eren activate the founding titan power? Did he basically just hug her and say "Hey, y'know what? Fuck these guys." and Ymir was like "Hmm I never thought if it that way."

    I mean... is that basically what's goin' on here?
    I gathered it's some sort of curse of the power she obtained, that even death didn't set her free.

    Maybe she felt like it was better to have children than devote her life to revenge, who knows.

    And maybe until Eren gave her the choice of free will, she felt like she had no alternative but to do what the royal blood was telling her.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    RT800 wrote: »
    Can someone explain something to me about the latest Attack on Titan?
    What's Ymir's deal here? Some king shows up, kills and enslaves her folks, and tries to have her hunted down like an animal.

    By sheer chance she obtains the power of the titans, and instead of using it to wreck holy hell on the shitbags that tormented her she... willing enslaves herself to them again?

    Then she dies, but she's... still a slave... in some frozen time dimension? Why? And how did Eren activate the founding titan power? Did he basically just hug her and say "Hey, y'know what? Fuck these guys." and Ymir was like "Hmm I never thought if it that way."

    I mean... is that basically what's goin' on here?
    I'm pretty sure she just made bad choices. And she regretted but didn't actually change those choices up until the point that she died, and after that she thought it was too late to do anything else.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Asthariel wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Can someone explain something to me about the latest Attack on Titan?
    What's Ymir's deal here? Some king shows up, kills and enslaves her folks, and tries to have her hunted down like an animal.

    By sheer chance she obtains the power of the titans, and instead of using it to wreck holy hell on the shitbags that tormented her she... willing enslaves herself to them again?

    Then she dies, but she's... still a slave... in some frozen time dimension? Why? And how did Eren activate the founding titan power? Did he basically just hug her and say "Hey, y'know what? Fuck these guys." and Ymir was like "Hmm I never thought if it that way."

    I mean... is that basically what's goin' on here?
    Im afraid that the only answer here is "Stockholm syndrome".

    This is not a satisfying answer, but it is what it is.

    Manga spoilers
    I think the last chapter has Eren basically saying "Yeah, Ymir did it all for love"

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    RT800 wrote: »
    Can someone explain something to me about the latest Attack on Titan?
    What's Ymir's deal here? Some king shows up, kills and enslaves her folks, and tries to have her hunted down like an animal.

    By sheer chance she obtains the power of the titans, and instead of using it to wreck holy hell on the shitbags that tormented her she... willing enslaves herself to them again?

    Then she dies, but she's... still a slave... in some frozen time dimension? Why? And how did Eren activate the founding titan power? Did he basically just hug her and say "Hey, y'know what? Fuck these guys." and Ymir was like "Hmm I never thought if it that way."

    I mean... is that basically what's goin' on here?

    anime only opinion
    Ymir was mentally broken and had no sense of agency. Her tramatic childhood had her village destroyed, her enslaved, and her fellow slaves betray her. She had only ever been subservient, and continued to be even after obtaining personal power. Even in "death" she just continued to be a slave, obeying the commands of the royal blood line.

    Eren telling her that he could end it all, that she was a person and not a slave or a god, was essentially the first time anyone had ever really given her the permission to make her own choice. AoT is constantly dealing with the concept of free will. Ymir is finally shown with human eyes and cries when she's finally able to act of her free will to try and end her own suffering.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I'm watching the AoT anime and uh, it's pacing leaves something to be desired, doesn't it?

    I have a hard time understanding how people stomach the horrible pacing of a lot of wildly popular shows. Especially shounen, where nothing can happen without having a pause to be internally narrated, explained, reacted to, and re-explained by every single character in the scene, one at a time, before cutting away to a flashback or something else.

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
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    It’s been a while since I watched the earlier seasons, but I don’t think I ever felt much issue with AoT’s pacing. I generally found the drama and intrigue of the less action focused arcs to still be riveting. It really does jump between story types for some arcs so like Munkus says there may be an aspect of expectations.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Where does One Piece fall on the pacing scale? Is it just a singularity?

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I can't really speak to the anime

    But I'm not reading One Piece currently because I got so frustrated with the pacing

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    it goes on the geological time scale

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I think the first season of AOT had the worst pacing (that Female Titan arc especially), but it mostly tightened up after that.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    I think the first season of AOT had the worst pacing (that Female Titan arc especially), but it mostly tightened up after that.

    I was this close to dropping the show during the Eren Moves A Boulder For Two Hours arc.

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    I think the first season of AOT had the worst pacing (that Female Titan arc especially), but it mostly tightened up after that.

    Yeah I think there wasn't a lot of manga material available at the time, so AoT's first season got a bit "decompressed" to fill up the air time.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    One Piece pacing is fine in manga form when read in a chunk, but the anime is infamous for dragging episodes out to match 1:1 for manga chapters

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  • AstharielAsthariel The Book Eater Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    One Piece is an epic story in the proper meaning of the word epic, and it being super duper long is a feature, not a bug. Understandably this is not a series that everyone will enjoy, but its not the case like with Bleach or Naruto, where the authors lost control over their stories and spent 200 chapters on a single day or anything like that.

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The typical One Piece episode these days averages at 10 pages of the manga.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Oghulk wrote: »
    I felt like JJK's pacing was really good for a shonen.

    Demon Slayer's...bleh.

    We taking DS anime or DS manga? Because I think the anime so far is actually better paced than the manga (in general I think it's adaption elevates what's a pretty mediocre shonen into something that while not going to break the medium wise open... It's pretty good!)

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    the process of getting through those steps takes like multiple years for each arc now, the arcs have only gotten longer with time

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    One Piece pacing is fine in manga form when read in a chunk, but the anime is infamous for dragging episodes out to match 1:1 for manga chapters

    The manga follows the same, predictable pattern

    Problem in area
    Escalation!
    Flashback to explain why things are so shitty in problem area
    Oh no Luffy and Co. Lose!
    Except they don't!

    The flashbacks almost always drag the plot down severely and slow it down.

    I actually like the flashbacks. They help explain what the deal is with these antagonists or new characters in a way that's relevant to what's currently happening and tend to be the lead-in to the big clash of the arc.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    AoT season 1 was a really good story but they dragged it out a bit. Still I love the reveal of.... Yeah.

    AoT s2 I hated because of constant flashbacks to characters who weren't around anymore. So I stopped watching about halfway through.

    Recently a friend sat me down and we caught up, and the second half of S2 is much better, and has plot progression? Nice!

    S3 is just all bangers, probably the best season

    S4 was a bit jarring due to the new look, but I got used to it quick. I do hate the CG titans tho my god. I haven't started the second half (the new batch of episodes) but I found the story still very engaging

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I can't really speak to the anime

    But I'm not reading One Piece currently because I got so frustrated with the pacing

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    Asthariel wrote: »
    One Piece is an epic story in the proper meaning of the word epic, and it being super duper long is a feature, not a bug. Understandably this is not a series that everyone will enjoy, but its not the case like with Bleach or Naruto, where the authors lost control over their stories and spent 200 chapters on a single day or anything like that.
    Something can be super duper long in a way that still has good pacing. Much of One Piece isn't. There's absolutely great content in it. But also a ton of stuff that is filler. Not in the "covering characters and arcs I don't like" sense of filler, but in the "putting sawdust in the sausage to give it bulk" sense. It's stuff that's literally nothing.

    I watched like 600 episodes of OP before I finally gave up on it. I'm not gonna pick it up until (if) the story finishes and they produce a "Brotherhood" version of it. If it ends up being 600 episodes again, but with actual stuff in it, I'll watch it.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Oghulk wrote: »
    I felt like JJK's pacing was really good for a shonen.

    Demon Slayer's...bleh.

    We taking DS anime or DS manga? Because I think the anime so far is actually better paced than the manga (in general I think it's adaption elevates what's a pretty mediocre shonen into something that while not going to break the medium wise open... It's pretty good!)

    I tried to watch bits of these recent episodes people are crowing about, and... man. Things would go into perma-slowmo for like three to four minutes straight just so a dude could explain that he was still a demon, and demons are immune to headbutts, but wait, he was not immune to that attack, so it must not have been just a headbutt and it must have been something else. Aha, time for a quick flashback to explain that it was something else, and that something else was something that a demon was not immune to. Now to the girl standing on the sideline to yell at him that his opponent is just a human, and demons are immune to human things. Now here comes a dude from the other sideline, back into ultra-slowmo so he can internally explain that he's using his special attack, but he already used his special attack before, and his special attack is hard capped at only two uses per day, so since because he already used his special attack twice, he cannot use his special attack again if his special attack does not work, so his special attack has to work and he has to try really hard to make sure that his special attack works.

    I mean, I would also not be surprised if the manga's pacing was worse than that, but... oi. Shounen is not for me.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    I generally consider One Piece best consumed by reading the manga, and then selectively watching the anime for the "fireworks factory" highlights

    some of the best adapted arcs DO get the anime to pad things out in a good way, like the very intense Impel Down or Marineford arcs getting a little more time to point the camera at secondary characters who the manga simply didn't have breathing room to fully explore since Luffy was SO non-stop busy. that's more the exception than the rule though

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    One Piece pacing is fine in manga form when read in a chunk, but the anime is infamous for dragging episodes out to match 1:1 for manga chapters

    The manga follows the same, predictable pattern

    Problem in area
    Escalation!
    Flashback to explain why things are so shitty in problem area
    Oh no Luffy and Co. Lose!
    Except they don't!

    The flashbacks almost always drag the plot down severely and slow it down.

    I actually like the flashbacks. They help explain what the deal is with these antagonists or new characters in a way that's relevant to what's currently happening and tend to be the lead-in to the big clash of the arc.
    Yeah, the flashbacks are some of my favourite parts, for the most part they succeed in me a) giving a crap about the conflict and b) oh boy really hating the villain.

    I would love a DBZ Kai supercut of just the parts that move the story along though, by and large episodes could be cut down to half or third length and lose nothing. Maybe I should give the manga another try, my problem is that I find the start kind of dull, not helped by having already seen it twice at this point (alone and with partner).

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    One Piece wouldn't be a tenth of the series it is without the flashbacks... but I'm only talking about the manga. I don't really like the anime.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Watched it up till marineford but then ran out of released eps and never returned to catchup cos god. Its so slow. Been meaning to catchup on the manga.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The flashbacks are great for giving depth to characters. The anime has been in desperate denial of reality since forever. It's the last holdout of the forever-running Jump series as opposed to just doing a cour and waiting until the manga is far enough ahead for another (see MHA)

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  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    My problem with a lot of anime is its release schedules and practices.

    Like, AoT came out a million years ago when I was but a wee lad and it was pretty good so I was like, "Sure, I'll watch season 2."

    Then roughly a fucking decade passed of nothing and I forgot everything that happened in Season 1.

    Then season 2 came out and I was like, "I guess I'll try it."

    But I had forgotten most of the shit from Season 1 and Season 2 just felt kind of really boring so I stopped watching halfway.

    Then another decade passed and season 3 was released and I basically wasn't interested until clips started surfacing on YouTube and people were like "This is so awesome!"

    And so now I'm back for the spectacle but I have no idea what the fuck is even happening.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I much, much, much prefer waiting 10 years for AoT to resolve over padding out and running the story. At the end, AoT will be a monolithic success and maintained that level by not compromising on the story

    They even had to change studios but it feels to me the same passion is there, to tell the story of the manga and not take liberties. I think that's why Season 2 felt so rough, it did have some padding but they tried to atleast make it relevant to the story.

    In the end, wading through 4 seasons across 10 years is my preference over the looming tedium of trying to watch One Piece (or even Naruto at this point)

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Also without AoT we wouldn't have the wonderful Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Watch anime originals, shows that always do a new season every year, or limited season adaptations only made to sell the manga.

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