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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah, disgusting Sukeban Deka fans *spits*

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    RT800 wrote: »
    And there're some good fucking stories that just get dropped.

    But no. Let's renew Ari-fucking-fureta for a second season.

    Capitalism. If it gets renewed, then enough people thought it was good. If it gets dropped, they usually didn't.

    It sucks but not everyone likes the same thing. I thought Arifureta was pretty ok if you ignore, or just revel in, the CG monsters. It's not winning any awards for story but it wasn't trying to.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Yeah, disgusting Sukeban Deka fans *spits*

    Yeah, that's really my problem with the show.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    If Rider just showed up in Fate Zero you're pretty close to some spectacular action happening soon.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Yeah, disgusting Sukeban Deka fans *spits*

    Yeah, that's really my problem with the show.

    Glad you can admit it, I'll take my apology now

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited April 14
    I'm willing to give Fate/Zero its allotted episodes to try to sway me but at the moment its... It isn't making a compelling case.

    Its character work is good! Its got interesting folks in its story.

    But the pacing of its narrative is rough. Its hard to judge it this early into its presentation but as of right now I'd collectively describe it as... A bit masturbatory?

    Its asking us (perhaps just me) to get really pumped & excited for what's about to happen!

    Its gonna be SO SWEET when it happens!

    After this long discussion, following an internal reflection, intercut with a flashback!

    Maybe next episode!!

    And that shit works really well in a book. In a novel you can split up the immediate action for those greater moments of introspection but in a cartoon I want to see the knight-lady fight the lance-guy.

    Just. Do. It.

    Edit: And I recognize that a show that I personally love like Dragon Ball Z does this shit all the time but I think it pulls it off as its mixing in classic goofball cartoon antics & sincere melodrama.

    I suspect Fate/Zero being a a very serious show is what's highlighting this particular complaint, for me.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Zonugal wrote: »
    I'm willing to give Fate/Zero its allotted episodes to try to sway me but at the moment its... It isn't making a compelling case.

    Its character work is good! Its got interesting folks in its story.

    But the pacing of its narrative is rough. Its hard to judge it this early into its presentation but as of right now I'd collectively describe it as... A bit masturbatory?

    Its asking us (perhaps just me) to get really pumped & excited for what's about to happen!

    Its gonna be SO SWEET when it happens!

    After this long discussion, following an internal reflection, intercut with a flashback!

    Maybe next episode!!

    And that shit works really well in a book. In a novel you can split up the immediate action for those greater moments of introspection but in a cartoon I want to see the knight-lady fight the lance-guy.

    Just. Do. It.

    Edit: And I recognize that a show that I personally love like Dragon Ball Z does this shit all the time but I think it pulls it off as its mixing in classic goofball cartoon antics & sincere melodrama.

    I suspect Fate/Zero being a a very serious show is what's highlighting this particular complaint, for me.

    The early episodes carry a ton of a weight with explaining characters and their motivations. It pays off massively when all hell starts breaking loose, and the kettle's already beginning to boil over.

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Its wild rewatching it because most of my memory of it is just fight into fight into fight into fight

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    We just watched the Saber Vs Lancer fight which

    While it had some nice animations was a lot of analyzing and watching other people analyze over and over

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I played F/GO for like two years? I have favorite Servants and Noble Phantasms and all of that. There was even a Fate/Zero collab in that game featuring all of these characters and expanding on its plot. I cried at several points. This should be a show for me. I actually seconded the initial recommendation, even!

    It looks and sounds great. I just don't like anything that's happening. It really, really feels like a show for serious Fate fans that have already consumed this story and just want to see it animated and fully voiced.

    It's giving you a ton of story/exposition, a ton of detail, but none of it is all that interesting or important. The names of all of these people and who they are related to, allied to or enemies of does not matter at this point at all. It's just (so far) meaningless information that is bogging things down. The entire first 45 minute episode could've been a five minute narrated opening. We did not need a history lesson or to see all these people ten years before the show started.

    They could've summoned everyone in the first episode and had this fight they dragged out through episode 3-4 all fully contained in episode 2. We're four episodes in and they've revealed the full identities of 4/7 Servants, named but not explained another one, and shown multiple Noble Phantasms.

    And yet, somehow, nothing has happened. There was no investigating the Servants, they all just said their names. There were two fights that both wound up being pointless by the end, as nobody died and nobody gained anything. Maybe information? But, again, everyone just says their names and powers out loud for the sake of the audience, which makes even less sense because almost everyone watching this already knows who they are and what they can do!

    Zonugal wrote: »
    I'm willing to give Fate/Zero its allotted episodes to try to sway me but at the moment its... It isn't making a compelling case.

    If it was entirely up to me I'd stop now, but I'd suffer through up to episode 13. If it hasn't drawn me in by then, I really, really don't want to watch a second season of this.

    This is assuming a majority of other people are mostly enjoying it at that point. And if that majority instead wants to finish it up, I'll probably just leave it on in the background and be silent, or show up for the rest of the night after.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Fate/Zero was my first exposure to the series, and I had no knowledge whatsoever going in. It had me pretty much hooked from jump street. All the characters were fascinating, and they all had clear goals and aspirations they wanted to see fulfilled, and most of all, it felt mature in a way no other show I'd seen before had. People schemed, had backroom dealings, all kinds of clandestine stuff, all while mages are slinging spells, servants are crossing blades, and mercenaries say to hell with all that and start loading up sniper rifles and explosive artillery.


    And best of all, 90% of the cast are, gasp, adults.

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    It DOES pick up

    I know that from looking over what I remember

    And the stuff currently is interesting!

    But I also am deep in the fate hole so I just enjoy this shit anyways

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Reynolds wrote: »
    It looks and sounds great. I just don't like anything that's happening. It really, really feels like a show for serious Fate fans that have already consumed this story and just want to see it animated and fully voiced.

    It's funny, because I always see the show presented as the Fate show for non-Fate fans.


    Anyway, while I agree with others that Unlimited Blade Works has some serious pacing problems of its own, it does have a more action packed opening set of episodes.

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Its very much just a difference of where they placed the action

    I remember blade works had a lull in its episodes where it was pretty similar to these episodes

    But by STARTING with a explosive fight you get the hooks in earlier

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I am baffled by the idea that anyone that isn't familiar with Fate would not only understand what is going on, but be hooked at this point. I'm deep enough in this hole that I actually confused it with another series about another grail war, since there's a good dozen of those to pick from.

    Speaking of, I watched the original Fate/Stay Night at a con, and the first few episodes were definitely a lot more action packed than this. Looking it up, all four episodes had a fight scene in them, even!

    Emiya fucking sucks though.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Reynolds wrote: »
    I am baffled by the idea that anyone that isn't familiar with Fate would not only understand what is going on, but be hooked at this point. I'm deep enough in this hole that I actually confused it with another series about another grail war, since there's a good dozen of those to pick from.

    Speaking of, I watched the original Fate/Stay Night at a con, and the first few episodes were definitely a lot more action packed than this. Looking it up, all four episodes had a fight scene in them, even!

    Emiya fucking sucks though.
    Which one

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The thing about Emiya is that while he does suck, he's still easily in the upper tier of Fate protagonists. Which is not a great sign. So Zero having Waver and Kiritsugu is definitely big points in its favor compared to other Fate animes.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    Reynolds wrote: »
    I am baffled by the idea that anyone that isn't familiar with Fate would not only understand what is going on, but be hooked at this point. I'm deep enough in this hole that I actually confused it with another series about another grail war, since there's a good dozen of those to pick from.

    Speaking of, I watched the original Fate/Stay Night at a con, and the first few episodes were definitely a lot more action packed than this. Looking it up, all four episodes had a fight scene in them, even!

    Emiya fucking sucks though.
    Which one
    Tube boy is very annoying. I like Archer as a FGO joke character, but I didn't watch any more of the show (or play his route in Fate/Extra) to care about him otherwise.

    Oh also MHA is very good and we did three episodes of it to get to that one really good fight, which I'll post here because I'm going to watch it again for like the millionth time. Also before we started Season 4 this is the only part of the show I'd actually watched.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TFAGAyLzcg

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Moth 13 wrote: »
    The thing about Emiya is that while he does suck, he's still easily in the upper tier of Fate protagonists. Which is not a great sign. So Zero having Waver and Kiritsugu is definitely big points in its favor compared to other Fate animes.

    Not top tier though.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKFvR7iDsQ8

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    notya wrote: »
    I think One Piece only made ONE critical error. Too many characters. I love em, but the author can't handle em all at once. They're all equally important and all given equal screentime, and it means shit moves slowwwwwwww. And even with that slowness, rarely time for quiet moments or subtlety or emotion. It's slow and rushed at the same time.
    I wish they were all given equal time; I'm not caught up, but where I left off the likes of Nami and Robin just aren't given anything to do. Which is annoying, because like you I love all the characters and want more with them.

    Also, this is personal and petty, but I liked the original art better than the current art. I think Nami's breasts have doubled in size since the start of the series and I liked the old Chopper design much more, he looks like a toy now (which I'm guessing is on purpose, gotta push that merch).

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I'm the same with Dragon Ball. Toriyama has such a charming style but after the more edgy DBZ was so popular, it feels like they've just doubled down on that. So you have weird things like Kid Goku in GT drawn like he's Goten (when it would have been an easy W to use actual Dragon Ball Goku as a gag character).

    I like Super more than I don't, but the animation is worse than the storylines. To me, this is a bigger crime than the other way around. GT is terrible writing but some pretty good animation. I guess in a perfect world we'd a get a better animated Super. I never cared about Dragon Ball Z Kai (or was it just Kai?) because the original animation, despite having some filler padding, still holds up really fucking well

    The new Broly movie we got a bit ago was really great, incredible animation and they took a fan favorite and rewrote him into the canon, nicely done. More of that please, the director nailed that shit.

    For a while in DBZ, we had some really cool outfits and vehicle designs. That's kinda fallen to the wayside (though the new movie about adult Gohan has him rocking the Picolo outfit again so I have hope the drip is coming back)

    https://youtu.be/tE30EPHxeMU

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Like seriously, maybe one of the best transformation sequences in the series and it happened in a movie for Super??
    https://youtu.be/HSmxfbRbyEw

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Like seriously, maybe one of the best transformation sequences in the series and it happened in a movie for Super??
    https://youtu.be/HSmxfbRbyEw

    Theatrical movies traditionally get super sized budgets, that's not weird for a showpiece of the animation to be in one.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    You'd think that, but the previous Super movies had been pretty lackluster IMO. The Beerus movie was weak compared to that. I'm serious, the animation for Super including the movies before the Broly thing was laughable. Like there's an arc with a massive fight between different universes with several dope new characters, but the animation is just so-so and lands like a thud (for me anyways). I gave Super more than a fair shot and watched it all anyways. I can tell when effort, passion and creativity are put into action blocking, character design and just plain love for the material. Not making Goku and Vegeta look badass for the sake of it. And letting other characters shine for once.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I'm also pissed that Super did a few things (spoilers I guess?)
    -they go back to Future Trunks but do it way less interesting
    -they add back in and redeem Android 17. I didn't need that. Let him die a bad guy. They have an issue letting people stay dead/as enemies. Even freiza became a battle buddy...
    -they made tien look like a chump and spend an episode basically ragging on him, he does fight later on but I hated hated that episode. At least do it to Yamcha for the meme
    I do like that all the Super movies are canon, unlike the DBZ movies which are all not canon except for maybe the OVAs about Goku's dad and Trunks' original timeline

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I'm also pissed that Super did a few things (spoilers I guess?)
    -they go back to Future Trunks but do it way less interesting
    -they add back in and redeem Android 17. I didn't need that. Let him die a bad guy. They have an issue letting people stay dead/as enemies. Even freiza became a battle buddy...
    -they made tien look like a chump and spend an episode basically ragging on him, he does fight later on but I hated hated that episode. At least do it to Yamcha for the meme

    On that middle point... why would he be bad? He and 18 have the exact same backstory. Everything that makes her redeemable goes for him as well.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Idk I just would like them to let sleeping dogs lie I suppose? I liked the original storyline for Trunks dark timeline. Having one of the androids die atleast pays an ounce of flesh for the entire planet they devastated in Trunks' time. The androids were more menacing, and in the end they only redeemed 18 to give Krillin a love interest. Idk, I mentioned it but they have an obsession with bringing back bad guys, redeeming them and making them pals. It's a trope I'm just a little tired of. Bring them back and have them fuck shit up! That's what made the Freiza movie start to get things back on track, even if they do a similar battle buddy type deal with them as well.

    All in all, I have high standards for the franchise, and now it feels like a lot of fan service (which is fine! I love that). But if you're gonna do fan service just write it better, animate it better and I'll happily line up for more.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I also only liked one of the MHA movies
    the one where they do the fusion dance and then after go "welp that was so sick if we ever do it again we'll both die so no more of that"

    Annoyed it seems those movies aren't canon

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Like seriously, maybe one of the best transformation sequences in the series and it happened in a movie for Super??
    https://youtu.be/HSmxfbRbyEw
    Man I love Frieza.

    And I thought the animation in Super and its movie was fine, not bad enough to draw attention to itself at least.

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    With some mangas being available in full on Manga Plus I gave Boruto a try.

    The most recent chapter was a kinda funny one to be the last chapter on a first read.
    The final page is Boruto appearing to be dead with a hole through the stomach.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Idk I just would like them to let sleeping dogs lie I suppose? I liked the original storyline for Trunks dark timeline. Having one of the androids die atleast pays an ounce of flesh for the entire planet they devastated in Trunks' time. The androids were more menacing, and in the end they only redeemed 18 to give Krillin a love interest. Idk, I mentioned it but they have an obsession with bringing back bad guys, redeeming them and making them pals. It's a trope I'm just a little tired of. Bring them back and have them fuck shit up! That's what made the Freiza movie start to get things back on track, even if they do a similar battle buddy type deal with them as well.

    All in all, I have high standards for the franchise, and now it feels like a lot of fan service (which is fine! I love that). But if you're gonna do fan service just write it better, animate it better and I'll happily line up for more.

    The characters who actually did that WERE killed by Trunks. Since the 17 from the main story never did any of that, it's pretty outrageous to want him killed over it. And in terms of turning the villains into friends... it happened only twice in Z (with Vegeta and Buu). Every other time, the villains all get merced, DBZ is not the friend making show. That would be Bleach.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Oghulk wrote: »
    The final night Naruto/Sasuke fight is a pretty impressive piece of work.

    Is Boruto...good? Like real unironically good?.

    Can't speak for the Boruto anime, but the manga is unironically pretty good. Will it stay good now that kishimoto is taking back over writing duties? No idea

    The big criticism you could give it is that it's very laser focused on Boruto and Kawaki, so you lose out on some of the interesting side characters. On the other hand, it's laser focused on them which means they actually get time to really breathe as characters, which is a lot more than can be said for many shonen.
    But it's 50 odd lengthy chapters you can read on the shonen jump app/site that overall does some good stuff, so not a bad investment of your time

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The MHA movies are all explicitly canon, last I checked.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    17 being there isn't even a Super issue, he's alive in the Buu Saga. Both anime and manga, I double-checked.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Pretty sure it was even Canon by the end of Z what he was doing . 17 and 18 are great and we need more of em

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 14
    Opty wrote: »
    The MHA movies are all explicitly canon, last I checked.

    Yeah stuff from them is referenced in the series itself

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