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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Boruto (the anime) is fine, even enjoyable sometimes, except for when the adults have to do their plots that follow-up on the ninja space aliens from the end of Shippuden. I really only care about the adults in the context of their kids (since it's ostensibly the kids' time to shine), but I guess I'm in the minority on that one.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I'm also pissed that Super did a few things (spoilers I guess?)
    -they go back to Future Trunks but do it way less interesting
    -they add back in and redeem Android 17. I didn't need that. Let him die a bad guy. They have an issue letting people stay dead/as enemies. Even freiza became a battle buddy...
    -they made tien look like a chump and spend an episode basically ragging on him, he does fight later on but I hated hated that episode. At least do it to Yamcha for the meme
    I do like that all the Super movies are canon, unlike the DBZ movies which are all not canon except for maybe the OVAs about Goku's dad and Trunks' original timeline
    Doesn't 17 make a brief appearance during Buu as a Park Ranger stopping poachers? It's why Abridged had that as a goal for him. He was already just doing his thing.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I would not count that second point as an issue?

    That's a thing the series has been doing since like a handful of chapters into the original Dragon Ball.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Honorifics and calling each other by family names are understandably changed in translations but also it must be a pain translating that scene in every romance manga when the leads start using their given names.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Couscous wrote: »
    Honorifics and calling each other by family names are understandably changed in translations but also it must be a pain translating that scene in every romance manga when the leads start using their given names.

    Personally, I find the workaround to be using nicknames, or maybe terms of endearment once they start using given names only.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Also that scene in every gender bender or crossdressing portion where a character refers to themselves by boku or ore instead of watashi or vice versa

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited April 14
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Zonugal wrote: »
    I'm willing to give Fate/Zero its allotted episodes to try to sway me but at the moment its... It isn't making a compelling case.

    Its character work is good! Its got interesting folks in its story.

    But the pacing of its narrative is rough. Its hard to judge it this early into its presentation but as of right now I'd collectively describe it as... A bit masturbatory?

    Its asking us (perhaps just me) to get really pumped & excited for what's about to happen!

    Its gonna be SO SWEET when it happens!

    After this long discussion, following an internal reflection, intercut with a flashback!

    Maybe next episode!!

    And that shit works really well in a book. In a novel you can split up the immediate action for those greater moments of introspection but in a cartoon I want to see the knight-lady fight the lance-guy.

    Just. Do. It.

    Edit: And I recognize that a show that I personally love like Dragon Ball Z does this shit all the time but I think it pulls it off as its mixing in classic goofball cartoon antics & sincere melodrama.

    I suspect Fate/Zero being a a very serious show is what's highlighting this particular complaint, for me.

    The early episodes carry a ton of a weight with explaining characters and their motivations. It pays off massively when all hell starts breaking loose, and the kettle's already beginning to boil over.

    Okay, so, I'm going to critique this narrative choice.

    Front-loading your animated program with a 45-minute pilot stuffed exclusively with pure exposition is fundamentally a poor decision. It absolutely reeks of telling, not showing.

    I think it would have been a far better/wiser choice to seed that exposition throughout the show as the audience progressed.

    Because, again, this is a cartoon and not a novel.

    I'm interested to see if my continued issues with Fate/Zero derive from its slavish relationship to adapting its source material.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Things like pronouns can be just as important as or more important than honorifics but I don't see translators wanting to stick to Japanese pronouns

    Unless those exist, in which case oh god no

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I still think Fate/Zero makes more sense as a follow-up to some flavor of Fate/Stay-Night personally, even if I think Zero is ultimately better

    I probably woulda gone with Unlimited Blade Works instead

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    We also have a number of honorifics English that do the job when translating. Lord, Mr./Mrs., sir/madam, etc.

    I dunno if it's quite that simple

    Not because the terms don't match up so much as the usage in certain social settings would seem incredibly strange to an English speaker

    Like calling your classmates "Mr. whatever", so there has to be a conscious effort to know when to replace the honorifics with something equivalent and when to simply drop them entirely because their presence has no specific meaning.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    We also have a number of honorifics English that do the job when translating. Lord, Mr./Mrs., sir/madam, etc.

    That's how we handled it in the Umineko fighting game. Lord Battler, Lady Beatrice, etc. (Though it lends itself particularly well to Umineko)
    Zonugal wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Zonugal wrote: »
    I'm willing to give Fate/Zero its allotted episodes to try to sway me but at the moment its... It isn't making a compelling case.

    Its character work is good! Its got interesting folks in its story.

    But the pacing of its narrative is rough. Its hard to judge it this early into its presentation but as of right now I'd collectively describe it as... A bit masturbatory?

    Its asking us (perhaps just me) to get really pumped & excited for what's about to happen!

    Its gonna be SO SWEET when it happens!

    After this long discussion, following an internal reflection, intercut with a flashback!

    Maybe next episode!!

    And that shit works really well in a book. In a novel you can split up the immediate action for those greater moments of introspection but in a cartoon I want to see the knight-lady fight the lance-guy.

    Just. Do. It.

    Edit: And I recognize that a show that I personally love like Dragon Ball Z does this shit all the time but I think it pulls it off as its mixing in classic goofball cartoon antics & sincere melodrama.

    I suspect Fate/Zero being a a very serious show is what's highlighting this particular complaint, for me.

    The early episodes carry a ton of a weight with explaining characters and their motivations. It pays off massively when all hell starts breaking loose, and the kettle's already beginning to boil over.

    Okay, so, I'm going to critique this narrative choice.

    Front-loading your animated program with a 45-minute pilot stuffed exclusively with pure exposition is fundamentally a poor decision. It absolutely reeks of telling, not showing.

    I think it would have been a far better/wiser choice to seed that exposition throughout the show as the audience progressed.

    Because, again, this is a cartoon and not a novel.

    I'm interested to see if my continued issues with Fate/Zero derive from its slavish relationship to adapting its source material.

    Well, in this case, it is literally adapting a novel, so it's more that than anything else. The novel actually has even more dialogue and internal conflict. I finally got to read the books a while back, and ufotable definitely condensed it down to brass tacks as best they could. I think you'll be satisfied once the action really ramps up(which, as said, happens right about now since the trains are starting to collide).

    Here's the novel key art, by the by:
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    But again, I loved the pilot of Zero, since I love scenes of characters just talking(see: anything from Castlevania Season 4 with Isaac and Hector, easily the highlight of the series).

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I still think Fate/Zero makes more sense as a follow-up to some flavor of Fate/Stay-Night personally, even if I think Zero is ultimately better

    I probably woulda gone with Unlimited Blade Works instead

    As much as I enjoy UBW, it has a ton of slice-of-life content that I think really puts people off(like long stretches of Special Cooking), but then again, given the average reaction to the exposition dumps in Zero, maybe that's the kind of thing people want more of...

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Slice of life stuff is easy to enjoy! That's almost specifically the purpose!

    Shit like, I dunno, politics around the administration of the Holy Grail War or something is not something I would expect anyone to care about unless they are already fully bought in

    EDIT: To say nothing of context behind characters that only makes sense with knowledge of the wider setting

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Slice of life stuff is easy to enjoy! That's almost specifically the purpose!

    Shit like, I dunno, politics around the administration of the Holy Grail War or something is not something I would expect anyone to care about unless they are already fully bought in

    EDIT: To say nothing of context behind characters that only makes sense with knowledge of the wider setting

    Yeah, maybe it's just specifically something that I like, since I'm the kind of idiot who loved senate politics in the Star Wars prequels.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The correct Fate watch order is such a Catch 22 meme that Gigguk was able to make two videos out of it.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Re: 17 in super: I was also confused that he was still alive because I did not remember his being explicitly shown as revived after the cell saga, and also I vaguely remembered him being a villain in one arc of GT, I think the one where all the old bad guys escaped from hell? But GT's not canon so either the writers of that were wrong or I am misremembering how he fit into that story.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I dunno I think it's pretty simple

    There are elements of Zero that are informed by FSN, and not vice versa

    Actually, arguably there are numerous plot reveals in FSN that make more sense with the assumption that you don't know Zero

    And if you wanted to get into the Stay Night, UBW, Heavens Feel argument, I just don't think Stay Night holds up very well and I don't think Heaven's Feel was very good so UBW kind of wins by default

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I dunno I think it's pretty simple

    There are elements of Zero that are informed by FSN, and not vice versa

    Actually, arguably there are numerous plot reveals in FSN that make more sense with the assumption that you don't know Zero

    I think there's elements that are rewarding both ways, for instance
    knowing what Sakura's been through at the start of FSN versus having no clue about her facade.

    It's kind of like whether or not you know Anakin Skywalker is Vader before watching A New Hope.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Zero is absolutely a sequel set before the first story type of prequel rather than a standalone prequel.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    It was basically just the big bad of the last arc in shippuden, everything else about them is from boruto

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    I stand by my gut feeling I've had for over a decade now that if you only have to experience one Fate thing, Unlimited Blade Works is the way to go

    Of course back then it was a translation of the censored visual novel that I was reading, and that's much longer than just watching the anime, but so it goes

    The UBW anime stands alone well enough that, barring some minor issues, it's a reasonable one and done

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  • IronKnuckleIronKnuckle This is also my fault Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I think Fate/Zero is a decent entry point to the Fateverse, but an even better test to determine if Fate is your particular brand of poison.

    There's lots of talking. Strategy. Politics. Secret motivations. Cruelty. Hope. There's also lots of great action. That's just what Fate is. And it's totally ok if that's not your thing!

    The basic hook of various characters from history and myth getting together and having a big tournament is a powerful one, but along with that is a whole heap of world building and in depth explanation of what is what and why.

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    rhylith wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Been reading Dorohedoro. The translation seems good, although for some weird reason, the honorifics are completely dropped. Now granted, Noi and Shin don't seem to have a very strictly hierachic relationship, even if she calls him senpai, but still, it feels a little odd, especially when it comes to people talking to En.
    I'm also a little bummed that there are pages which clearly have been colored originally, and are just in b&w. Overall though, guess what. I'll keep buying and reading them! I love it
    Honorifics are a barrier to entry for English speakers getting into this stuff and we’re better off without them in a lot of cases.
    Getting flashbacks to the nakama wars...

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    As for the honorifics discussion, at least Dorohedoro takes place in a society otherwise mostly removed from Japanese culture, so you can translate your way around honorifics without what is specific to what makes the culture of that world distinct

    Like, if Q Hayashida pulled a BLAME! and made a couple issues to a volume of a Japanese high-school setting Dorohedoro parody manga, that'd be a bit different, but the core manga itself? Meh

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I unironically believe that FGO is the best Fate story and it's not even a little bit close. That setting works better when it doesn't take itself so damn seriously all the time.

    Of course, said story is tied to a predatory slot machine that has been running for 5+ years, but still.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    ph blake wrote: »
    I unironically believe that FGO is the best Fate story and it's not even a little bit close. That setting works better when it doesn't take itself so damn seriously all the time.

    Of course, said story is tied to a predatory slot machine that has been running for 5+ years, but still.

    Funny, I think it's at its best when it takes itself seriously. FGO is problematic on many levels, and not just being a gacha. It's very uncomfortably sexualized, which is another plus for Fate/Zero in my book.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Speaking of Demon Slayer, the pièce de résistance from this week (gigantic spoilers):
    Tweeter is a rando and tweet is irrelevant, but the clip is HQ and doesn't have any weird breaks like most Youtube clips:


    There's no OST yet but there's a million covers on Youtube already of the epic music (again, gigantic spoilers):

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    ph blake wrote: »
    I unironically believe that FGO is the best Fate story and it's not even a little bit close. That setting works better when it doesn't take itself so damn seriously all the time.

    Of course, said story is tied to a predatory slot machine that has been running for 5+ years, but still.

    Also you still have to get to the 4th Chapter before it really starts getting good in the story. Though 1 and 3 are fine, Orleans and Okeanos. Septem and the Nerowank are the major hurdle. Even 4 is just Okay but the end of it reveals some major information and it leads into America where things hit their stride and it's golden from there.

    It's a bit of an ask, but if someone's got time to kill the full story is up on YouTube so you don't even have to engage with the gacha to experience it. Heck you'd be further in the story than the people playing, since JP has fan translators and gods mercy on them after Nasu revealed he'd spent the entirety of covid writing the leviathan that is Lostbelt 6.

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Also when I say "best Fate story" I do not want to like, deceive anyone into thinking it's good? It's still Fate, which means it's still gonna be a narrative mess with some interesting worldbuilding; you will not enjoy it unless you're already buying in.

    I just think FGO (and specifically the later half of FGO) is the most interesting thing they've done with the setting, mostly cause they aren't afraid to play around and try shit out.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Speaking of Demon Slayer, the pièce de résistance from this week (gigantic spoilers):
    Tweeter is a rando and tweet is irrelevant, but the clip is HQ and doesn't have any weird breaks like most Youtube clips:


    There's no OST yet but there's a million covers on Youtube already of the epic music (again, gigantic spoilers):

    I love ufotable's kinetic bursts of action, like Saber's rush during F/Z 4:
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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The big reason I recommend Zero is that the Holy Grail War is such a killer premise and Zero is really the only Fate thing that does a "standard" Grail War. Most other series have some gimmick or variation. Even in the parts of Stay Night where things are normal, it's still basically one guy doing several boss battles instead of seven people maneuvering around each other.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Man, the current Nagatoro arc/latest chapters have been filled with too much fan service.

    It's a bummer for me as I have been finding it really enjoyable and sweet.

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    ph blake wrote: »
    Also when I say "best Fate story" I do not want to like, deceive anyone into thinking it's good? It's still Fate, which means it's still gonna be a narrative mess with some interesting worldbuilding; you will not enjoy it unless you're already buying in.

    I just think FGO (and specifically the later half of FGO) is the most interesting thing they've done with the setting, mostly cause they aren't afraid to play around and try shit out.

    FGO is Fate stripped of a lot of it's pretenses and distilled into the elements I actually care about in the whole franchise:

    ...taking these garish caricatures of legendary individuals and making them go "pew pew pew" like they were action figures.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Anime fans should never recommend anime to anyone

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