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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Goku's first kill was his grandpa

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I liked FGO carnival phantasm well enough, but part of the appeal of the original was the heightened absurdity that came from seeing these Super Serious type moon characters in a parody setting.

    And, well, since FGO itself is a completely absurd parody setting half the time, FGO carnival phantasm just didn't have quite the same kick?

    Edit: Like nothing that show did was funnier or more ridiculous than the original FGO Jalter event.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Before AniMenagerie started MHA, I had never seen it, but had become able to recognize a few characters from cultural osmosis. AniMenagerie is doing arcs this season, so we only watched Episodes 9-13 of Season 1, but I went back and watched 1-8 on my own.

    The characters I could recognize as MHA before watching it were All Might, Deku, and the pink bug girl.

    Now after having seen the entire first season, I know jack shit about the pink bug girl. She's just stood around and had a few lines. I'm not even sure we saw her ever use her power. I don't know why it bugs me that one of the most recognizable characters to me just did absolutely nothing.

    On another note (Episode 12 spoilers):
    The only time Deku has ever managed to use his power without hurting himself so far is when he tried to protect Tsu. Not the times he tried to protect Ochaco or All Might. Clearly he subconsciously realizes that Tsu is the best.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Pink bug girl doesn't do a lot early in the series but she gets pretty good later on.
    Also her recurring copyright infringement is funny.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Speaking of Demon Slayer, the pièce de résistance from this week (gigantic spoilers):
    Tweeter is a rando and tweet is irrelevant, but the clip is HQ and doesn't have any weird breaks like most Youtube clips:


    There's no OST yet but there's a million covers on Youtube already of the epic music (again, gigantic spoilers):

    While very far from the most egregious example of what I was talking about before, I'm not impressed by this scene at all, and is pretty emblematic of why I don't like the way UFOTable puts together action scenes these days. Indistinct and unfollowable flashing lights, explosion, everybody stands 10-20 feet and yells a recap to each other/internally about what happened, repeat until one person arbitrarily falls down after an explosion. There's no actual choreography, use of music and sound, flow, banter, ups or downs, use of how they fight to show or exemplify the characters themselves, or even space for things like humor like you'd see in a Jackie Chan fight (or Horizon/Rage of Bahamut for an anime version), just flashing lights and explosions in between explainations. It's a lot of raw animation frames, but the direction itself is lacking so much of what really elevates a scene, action or otherwise. You don't even need all those pauses or narration at all. Dead Fantasy is one of the most impressive pieces of fight animation ever produced still to this day, and it ain't got a single word of dialogue.

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  • simulacrumsimulacrum She/herRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    Carnival phantasm is good but there are a couple of skits that are real rotten

    The one with Aoko and Shiki comes to mind

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I memory holed that one

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I've only seen the ones that made it to YouTube. So basically just batteries, the race, maid Saber, and various instances of Lancer Ga Shinda and Grail Buddy's Friend Maker slash Problem Solver.

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Speaking of Demon Slayer, the pièce de résistance from this week (gigantic spoilers):
    Tweeter is a rando and tweet is irrelevant, but the clip is HQ and doesn't have any weird breaks like most Youtube clips:


    There's no OST yet but there's a million covers on Youtube already of the epic music (again, gigantic spoilers):

    While very far from the most egregious example of what I was talking about before, I'm not impressed by this scene at all, and is pretty emblematic of why I don't like the way UFOTable puts together action scenes these days. Indistinct and unfollowable flashing lights, explosion, everybody stands 10-20 feet and yells a recap to each other/internally about what happened, repeat until one person arbitrarily falls down after an explosion. There's no actual choreography, use of music and sound, flow, banter, ups or downs, use of how they fight to show or exemplify the characters themselves, or even space for things like humor like you'd see in a Jackie Chan fight (or Horizon/Rage of Bahamut for an anime version), just flashing lights and explosions in between explainations. It's a lot of raw animation frames, but the direction itself is lacking so much of what really elevates a scene, action or otherwise. You don't even need all those pauses or narration at all. Dead Fantasy is one of the most impressive pieces of fight animation ever produced still to this day, and it ain't got a single word of dialogue.

    I'm not really sure why you're watching the show when it's very clear you don't like what it does

    I'm not saying you should like it, to each their own, but I'm not really sure what the draw is if you find its main strengths so offputting

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    I've only seen the ones that made it to YouTube. So basically just batteries, the race, maid Saber, and various instances of Lancer Ga Shinda and Grail Buddy's Friend Maker slash Problem Solver.

    Tsukihime beach volleyball is also great

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  • simulacrumsimulacrum She/herRegistered User regular
    edited April 14
    I really like that brief bit at the end where all the different type moon characters are hanging with each other at the restaurant

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I just realized, Goku's K/D radio is terrible. He's died like 5 times but killed like, one dude

    He killed way more than one dude.

    I completely forgot about Dragon Ball where he was a menace to everyone

    Also Super, where he is directly responsible for an entire universe getting deleted.

    I actually thought that was one of the better arcs for Super, but man is Goku dumb as bricks for everything to happen the way it does

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Speaking of Demon Slayer, the pièce de résistance from this week (gigantic spoilers):
    Tweeter is a rando and tweet is irrelevant, but the clip is HQ and doesn't have any weird breaks like most Youtube clips:


    There's no OST yet but there's a million covers on Youtube already of the epic music (again, gigantic spoilers):

    While very far from the most egregious example of what I was talking about before, I'm not impressed by this scene at all, and is pretty emblematic of why I don't like the way UFOTable puts together action scenes these days. Indistinct and unfollowable flashing lights, explosion, everybody stands 10-20 feet and yells a recap to each other/internally about what happened, repeat until one person arbitrarily falls down after an explosion. There's no actual choreography, use of music and sound, flow, banter, ups or downs, use of how they fight to show or exemplify the characters themselves, or even space for things like humor like you'd see in a Jackie Chan fight (or Horizon/Rage of Bahamut for an anime version), just flashing lights and explosions in between explainations. It's a lot of raw animation frames, but the direction itself is lacking so much of what really elevates a scene, action or otherwise. You don't even need all those pauses or narration at all. Dead Fantasy is one of the most impressive pieces of fight animation ever produced still to this day, and it ain't got a single word of dialogue.

    Yeah, I definitely think ufotable fights rely too much on "there's a lot of motion!" without actually making that motion interesting.

    There's some cuts of theirs I really like (the first moments of Saber vs Lancer and Lancer vs Archer in UBW, basically anything with big impact clash frames), but few really come together as a full package imo.

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Gonna have to disagree. I thought the direction, pacing, and music on the latest Demon Slayer episode was great. Really kept the tension at an all time high.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I just realized, Goku's K/D radio is terrible. He's died like 5 times but killed like, one dude

    He killed way more than one dude.

    I completely forgot about Dragon Ball where he was a menace to everyone

    Also Super, where he is directly responsible for an entire universe getting deleted.

    I thought they walked that back and said those universes were going to get deleted anyways, and Goku actually saved them by suggesting the tournament?

    Edit: Oh wait, the story arc before that one. I memory-holed that arc's ending because it was so awful.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    and even if he hadn't it's not actually Goku's fault, he's not the one choosing to delete the universes, that's on the supergods or whatever.

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    16's sacrifice means a lot more Not being brought back (Unlike Krillin, Goku, literally half the universe in Z)

    You must like the ending of the story mode in Dragon Ball FighterZ.

    For anyone who doesn't know:
    There's both a good and an evil version of Android 21, the game's original character. At the end of the story they fight and kill each other. Goku basically uses the above argument as a reason to not resurrect the good 21.

    The obvious meta reason is that this is why she doesn't appear in any other Dragon Ball media, but I still thought it was pretty dumb.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The one singular benefit of that universe getting deleted would be now you could keep Trunks and Cool-Mai in the main universe, and they even fucked that up.

    Trunks should have been in the ToP, dammit. Just increase the limit to 12 fighters per universe instead of 11. Hell, make it 13 and put Buu back in.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Peewi wrote: »
    16's sacrifice means a lot more Not being brought back (Unlike Krillin, Goku, literally half the universe in Z)

    You must like the ending of the story mode in Dragon Ball FighterZ.

    For anyone who doesn't know:
    There's both a good and an evil version of Android 21, the game's original character. At the end of the story they fight and kill each other. Goku basically uses the above argument as a reason to not resurrect the good 21.

    The obvious meta reason is that this is why she doesn't appear in any other Dragon Ball media, but I still thought it was pretty dumb.

    I think it's better than making her another battle buddy who only shows up to support the main cast but mostly just react on the sidelines

    Don't get me wrong this was a problem in Z too but Super ups that a alot. The two Dragon Ball tropes I like the least is Goku Defying Death and Everyone Becomes Friends.

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Nearly every character in the original Dragon Ball outside of Bulma started out as an enemy or rival of Goku's. It's kind of a thing with the franchise.

    They do need to let characters other than Goku or Vegeta shine more often, though. That's actually why I liked 17 in the Tournament of Power. He kicked ass there!

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Some characters it's fine. The backstory for Piccolo is dope as shit and same for Vegeta. But when they lose me is dragging people out of literal hell to reunite them with the cast, or touch back on them after 20 years just for fan service. There's a way to do it right, and the Broly movie showed exactly how you do it. Meanwhile OGs like Tien and Krillin get sidelined pretty hard so new characters can shine. I liked a lot of the new characters they introduced in the back half of Super, lots of interesting new Saiyans, Hit was a really cool design, just in general I like when they get to flex those new character designs. So instead of giving me 17 again just for the sake of it, make use of the extensive existing cast or use new folks!

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    Also why the fuck wasn't 16 brought back by the Dragonballs. He was technically a cyborg too. Is there a specific ratio of flesh to metal that disqualified him or is it because he was a ginger

    Was he technically a cyborg? I aways got the impression he was all robutt. I know he was based on a human but I though that was just aesthetics.

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Gundi wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Also why the fuck wasn't 16 brought back by the Dragonballs. He was technically a cyborg too. Is there a specific ratio of flesh to metal that disqualified him or is it because he was a ginger

    Was he technically a cyborg? I aways got the impression he was all robutt. I know he was based on a human but I though that was just aesthetics.

    Yeah from what I remember the backstory on 16 was that after Dr. Gero's son died he made a robot in his image, but he didn't have human parts like the other androids.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Okay but Frenemy Frieza is my favorite thing they've done in forever

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Krillin at least gets a shot at doing relevant shit all the time.

    Tien is a fuckin joke and he doesn't even realize it.

    No matter how much the power levels inflate, Krillin will always have "Goku's best friend" to fall back on.

    Meanwhile Tien's "serious guy" niche has been replaced by other characters like three times.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    The biggest problem with the Zamasu arc was that it did two things which made an unholy mess.

    1. Time travel affects all the universes at once, not just the universe it occurs in. This means one parallel timeline is suddenly 24. Or 36? I forget how many universes there are, point is it's a lot.
    2. Time travel rings that spawn a new one for each parallel timeline when Trunks alone caused at least three branches in Z: he kills Androids and kills Cell (Future Trunks timeline), he kills Androids and gets killed by Cell (who then travels back in time and oh good that made more rings didn't it), he prevents the Androids from rampaging and kills Cell (Z timeline). The instant that box was opened both Kai's should have died from the resulting shrapnel explosion as infinity rings filled existence.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Okay but Frenemy Frieza is my favorite thing they've done in forever

    I liked it the more the developed on it but it felt a bit cheap with Resurrection F. Still, I enjoyed it more than I didn't but it was the start of fan service mode for Super. Very good in the Broly movie though.

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Madican wrote: »
    The biggest problem with the Zamasu arc was that it did two things which made an unholy mess.

    1. Time travel affects all the universes at once, not just the universe it occurs in. This means one parallel timeline is suddenly 24. Or 36? I forget how many universes there are, point is it's a lot.
    2. Time travel rings that spawn a new one for each parallel timeline when Trunks alone caused at least three branches in Z: he kills Androids and kills Cell (Future Trunks timeline), he kills Androids and gets killed by Cell (who then travels back in time and oh good that made more rings didn't it), he prevents the Androids from rampaging and kills Cell (Z timeline). The instant that box was opened both Kai's should have died from the resulting shrapnel explosion as infinity rings filled existence.

    I didn't like the Future Trunks aspect at all, better off going a completely different route. Give me alternate timeline Future Goten!

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Frieza also remains the best DBZ villain and his arc is the peak of the series in my mind, everything was kind of firing on all cylinders there.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    17 justifies his presence in the ToP with this scene alone

    https://youtu.be/_a1UTLkTAiM

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    I remember 20ish years ago when I decided to watch some DBZ after a long time, and bought the first episodes of the Android arc on VHS...and this scene came up...

    it's after Trunks tells them all about his bad future, and Bulma suggests they use the dragon balls to find Gero and stop him before he creates the androids in the first place. And you know what happens?

    Goku wines that he doesn't want to do that, because he really wants to fight the androids. And Vegeta agrees and threatens to kill anyone who tries it.

    And this pretty much breaks Dragon Ball forever for me. I know this series is pretty dumb and silly. But this (and a few other things, but especially this) just angered me on such a primal level that I can't really think of it being good in any sense of word, ever again. This is just so critically stupid. I hate these characters, I hate these stories, just hate it.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Speaking of Demon Slayer, the pièce de résistance from this week (gigantic spoilers):
    Tweeter is a rando and tweet is irrelevant, but the clip is HQ and doesn't have any weird breaks like most Youtube clips:


    There's no OST yet but there's a million covers on Youtube already of the epic music (again, gigantic spoilers):

    While very far from the most egregious example of what I was talking about before, I'm not impressed by this scene at all, and is pretty emblematic of why I don't like the way UFOTable puts together action scenes these days. Indistinct and unfollowable flashing lights, explosion, everybody stands 10-20 feet and yells a recap to each other/internally about what happened, repeat until one person arbitrarily falls down after an explosion. There's no actual choreography, use of music and sound, flow, banter, ups or downs, use of how they fight to show or exemplify the characters themselves, or even space for things like humor like you'd see in a Jackie Chan fight (or Horizon/Rage of Bahamut for an anime version), just flashing lights and explosions in between explainations. It's a lot of raw animation frames, but the direction itself is lacking so much of what really elevates a scene, action or otherwise. You don't even need all those pauses or narration at all. Dead Fantasy is one of the most impressive pieces of fight animation ever produced still to this day, and it ain't got a single word of dialogue.

    I'm not really sure why you're watching the show when it's very clear you don't like what it does

    I'm not saying you should like it, to each their own, but I'm not really sure what the draw is if you find its main strengths so offputting

    I watched a clip in a tweet. Like I said, I don't watch the show itself, and didn't make it past the initial Saber/Lancer fight of Zero, but when people talk things up, I get curious and look to see if things genuinely are different or better than my initial impressions, so I've seen a lot of the 'big' moments. Sometimes, like I said with Naruto, I am pretty impressed. Not enough to subject myself to the all the rest of the shounen package, but I can appreciate stuff like this scene. It's incredibly well animated and choreographed in a way that modern UFOTable stuff rarely is, even if lacking the kind of fun banter you get in something Spectacular Spiderman or Horizon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzClCJFpSoM

    It's also how I ended up watching all of Full Moon o Sagashite, because I found out about the big reveal and from what I recall at least, it's a hell of a scene, though the show is about terminally ill 14 year old girls and suicidal angles, so possibly not my most aware moment.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 14
    Also Resurrection of F was only important because it finally killed off Captain Ginyu.

    The premise of the movie is that Frieza achieved a new transformation that puts him on par with Super Saiyan God but then it turns out no he's still not an actual threat because he can't sustain it and also Goku could have gone Blue at any time to smoke him, which is basically what the ending did.

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