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Yeah. Talent just means skill is easier to build up
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Not just hours, cos you can practise badly, even without realising (bad practise doesntjust mean laziness), but inevitably there will be tens of thousands of hours behind every "talented genius" you ever heard about in real life.
And I bet most of them arent particularly happy to have all that work wooshed under the rug as "talent".
Fuckers, you got into the same course as i did, and you did it without having fine motor skill issues that required me to attend a special needs school as a child. Oh, and you dont have your dominant hand partially crippled by nerve damage, forcing you to become ambidextrous out of necessity to keep doing art. Talent has fuck all to do with it - stubbornness and sheer bloody minded refusal to stop has a lot more to do with why i can draw.
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No announcements yet. At all. I'm pretty sure it will come, but no clue what timeframe to look for. (S2 dub was pretty late, and I think suffered some further delays due to the pandemic. Think it started a month or two after the season was done airing. S1 dub dropped all at once a few months after the S2 dub was complete.)
(Couldn't get into the dub myself, but I think that was mostly due to "It's different, so it sucks"-sentiment after being used to the Japanese cast rather than its actual quality.)
That's kinda just using a personality characteristic as if its a genetic feature of the person and, I mean, yeah personality can be heavily influenced by genetics, but you can also completely rewrite your own personality if you really want to, so not really.
But people use talent kind of loosely nowadays. It often just means "wow that's amazing I can't imagine how you manage to do that".
But who knows, I'm just speculating based on an isolated data point of my own lived experience.
That said, I also think talent is something that helps people enjoy what they're doing more than someone without it, and may even be what gets them to try developing a skill in the first place.
Roronoa Zoro is skilled.
Yu-Gi-oh cheats.
This scene is just so fucking good.
(Spoilers for Attack on Titan Season 3, Episode 53)
It's being born with an assload of money.
Lies and damned lies. What gives some people a "head start" or a "training multiplier" on a specific skill development is health, motivation, transferable skills and lack of false belief about the skill and your ability to develop it, in that order. I could demonstrate this, but it's late and I have to get up in the morning tomorrow.
ADHD. QED.
(To be clear, this is an extreme example, but the idea that there are no differences arising from biology is nonsense. Not to mention plenty of other factors outside the individual's control)
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It's a thing my personality lecturer told us about, showed us the evidence for, and showed us the steps you have to take to do it.
It's very hard, obviously. And requires there to be no actual, like, things going wrong anywhere. Obviously if you have a biological problem interfering it's no longer a choice is it?
The idea is that we aren't really as hardwired as we all think we are. We can, with persistence, great effort, and determination, change even something most of us think of as immutable.
Brains are plastic.
Hell, I cured my ADHD through a plasticity based neurofeedback training intervention. I couldn't do it alone, (this isn't some pure force of full bullshit) but it was changed. I no longer have ADHD. I don't score for it. I can concentrate as long as I like (well as much as any other person can), all my issues related to it are gone. I just have regular person issues now, and a lot more sensitivity and knowledge for how similar many of those are to having ADHD (such as lacking sleep).
Like when I say hard, this ain't no "I'll tell you its possible and you'll work it out" thing. You have to know a lot about how personality works, in a lot of detail, and do a lot of structured interventions in your life, daily habits, daily thoughts, etc. This is hard core self applied CBT, nobody here is doing this just cos I told you you can. None of you know the steps to take, I might as well tell you to do open heart surgery on yourself or some shit. It's just very interesting that it is possible.
Health is literally the first (and thus most important, sorry if I didn't make that clear) factor I mentioned. See bolded.
Oh, you were including mental health in that? Does it only count if it's severe enough to warrant a diagnosis, or does any variation in mental state fall under that? (Mental health isn't some binary question of whether someone has a condition, and such)
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It's more complicated all the way down.
One word: hyperfocus
Ain't nobody that can tunnel vision like someone with ADHD
Yes, but it's an easy area for me to approach this with. Mental health has factors outside of an individual's control, and the impact of that on someone's ability to apply themselves to self-improvement covers a broad spectrum. In combination, I feel it more than suffices to disprove the idea that "there is no such thing as talent", even if my argument is more about anti-talent.
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But you would be absolutely gobsmacked, for example, how much your reflexes can be improved through practice, if you ever sat down to measure that properly.
Oh and everyone goes nuts about hyperfocus but I'm actually able to focus better on more tasks after I no longer have adhd. And since I saw both, I dunno about this whole hyperfocus thing. That's more like an inability to task switch away getting you stuck. That's how it felt to me, when I had it. I sure did hyperfocus a lot!
Yeah, I wasn't 100% sure about that, but ADHD kind of cuts both ways on it.
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My handwriting is also still absolutely awful.
"Growing out" of adhd isn't really a thing in most cases. Certainly not if you still have it as an older adult.
It was proper neurofeedback training, that I did around 3 years ago (I'm 40), after suffering for years with no diminishment of symptoms since childhood (if anything they'd been getting worse), and after training for 3 sessions a week for about six months my condition improved to no symptoms gradually and consistently over that time.
Claiming it just faded is a bit like saying people reach peak strength as they get older and that's why you can run a marathon now.
It's a real thing. It sadly doesn't work for all types of adhd, or for every patient, but it did for me, and extremely successfully.
It's a new treatment, but it shows a lot of promise. Just like every treatment for a complicated condition, its best used as a complement, but if you know anyone with ADHD, I would thoroughly recommend having a look into it. If it helps, it helps really well, in a way that medication or behavioral therapy simply can't. I think it's worth a go.
Anyone who sells you on some hard science probably hasn't read the latest peer review that disproves whatever it is. Weirdly enough people are really bad at understanding people. Even scientifically.
As for talent, I think it's pretty obvious that such a concept exists. You have seven year olds that can do the egg drop physics experiment who haven't taken any sorts of classes that would help with that. While others can't even put together a Lego set. Hell a lot of adults can't do it.
It's not some insurmountable difference, it's simply a difference in the way people observe, process and store data. That seven year old wasn't some kind of math genius, they just saw someone catch a mug with their foot one time and then played with some rubber bands to understand why the glass didn't break. Which leads to being able to chuck an egg off a roof in a cage of qtips and rubber bands and it not breaking.
I think it's pretty important to realize everyone sees the world a little different. It isn't always useful to tell people they just have to try harder. It often might just be a bad approach that doesn't mesh with how they function. You can eventually just brute force it but you aren't going to get the same kind of returns.
It has to be good quality practice, which naturally takes into account any individual circumstances, best learning, personality type, coach quality and information available if relevant, and so on. You can try as hard as you like but if you aren't practicing well, for you, you go nowhere.
I didn't say there wasn't any such thing as talent conclusively, its just that if there are, its absolutely dwarfed as a factor by good quality training. That finding is extremely robust and goes back decades. So Ericsson and colleagues, who have been in the field for a long time at the forefront of this research, he's a bit gungho about thinking its mostly not real, or even if it is, it doesn't matter anywhere near as much as people think. And that's all I said. Some of them don't think it is real. I didn't say, myself, it isn't real. I'm not sure if I really believe everything he likes to put down (he's a bit too certain for me), but I do think skill is way more is explainable by factors other than talent than we, as a culture, hell across many cultures, believe it is. Which isn't exactly an earth shattering surprise if it was the case. Humans turn out to be bad at casually figuring out how other humans work, news at 11. You know what we are good at? Telling little stories as explanations. Talent is a great story. That makes me distrust it more than anything else, how neat a story it is.
As an example of how to interpret this, your examples of the egg drop physics experiment vs the lego set, I'm willing to sit here and say if they had proper courses and training in how to do a lego set, and the motivation to sit there and do that, most of them would be able to eventually learn to do it proficiently. And ditto for the egg drop physics test. The idea is that whatever advantage is gained in initial aptitude is lost in comparision to good training, and the advantage only gets smaller the further along that path they go.
I'm not saying "will makes skill" that's clearly bullshit.
But I wont.
Watched Spy x Family first episode.
Here's hoping you're right. Maybe then we can figure out why Shamiko is so bad at everything.
Demon girl next door continues to be pretty amazing. I'd easily suggest anyone to watch it. Season 2 is starting off pretty strong.
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