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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Kreutz wrote: »
    War in the Pocket is also pretty good for first-time viewers, as it's short, in the UC timeline, and doesn't require a bunch of backstory.

    this is the wildest gundam opinion ITT to me

    like don't get me wrong it's one of the best gundams but it is Specifically about traumatizing a child with the horrifying reality of war

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    the best mecha fight is in the opening minutes of Armored Trooper VOTOMS: Alone Again

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    I watched all of Gundam Wing in a single sitting on a weekend. I remember nothing.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I've never actually been a fan of any robots, giant or otherwise, that move like clunky robots. Which Gundams absolutely do. Give me the shit like EVAs and Knightmares where it's giant robot with mobility that can parkour around (and breakdance if it's Kallen's Gurren).

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I saw this on Twitter with the caption mentioning that it commits 17 counts of copyright infringement in like 55 seconds
    https://youtu.be/yDN68LxWW-8

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Uh. Yeah? That's the Daikon opening, one of the classics in animation. No one sane is going to try to copyright strike that without earning some major wrath.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I saw this on Twitter with the caption mentioning that it commits 17 counts of copyright infringement in like 55 seconds
    https://youtu.be/yDN68LxWW-8

    yeah this was the first gainax thing, they were dumb students who thought they were invincible auteurs

    unfortunately, they were right

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    The song is an actual bop too

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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I watched Eva when I was, like, twelve, and it was on TV, which means I got the episodes mostly rather disjointed and in weird orders.

    Let me tell you, Shinji's stuff hits different when you're literally his age. Very much not recommend for Fun Family Night Viewing material.

    But really, it's not that hard to follow. To be honest, I feel that there's a lot of largely empty mystery but at twelve before my brain was completely twisted by Lore(tm) and Star Wars EU and similar other stuff I was probably better at sort of filtering what actually mattered to the goings on than I am as a grown ass adult sometimes, so it was okay.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I saw this on Twitter with the caption mentioning that it commits 17 counts of copyright infringement in like 55 seconds
    https://youtu.be/yDN68LxWW-8

    early doujin circle gainax didn't give a FUCK

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    The song is an actual bop too

    They probably didn't have the rights to use that either lol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONxp_lLXWGk

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  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I always feel like some people try to make Eva's story out to be a lot deeper than it is.

    It's basically just a bunch of people looking for love and acceptance, but terrified that they won't get it if people know who they REALLY are - THE SHOW.

    But with a bunch of monsters and giant robots and religious iconography thrown in because it looks cool.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I think a lot of the reason Eva rented a room in so many people's heads is not solely because of the wow cool robot or the sexy anime teens or any of that shit. It's because it's such a raw story about depression and social anxiety and being a confused teenager, told at times in an incredibly raw and messy fashion, that left you with a bunch of questions, which it will never ever resolve and answer for you. The way it evoked those downer themes a lot of media doesn't want to mess with and then left you wondering about it afterwards without a clear resolution or message got its hooks into people's brains.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    00 has some pretty cool transforming designs (Arios and Kyrios especially)

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I think eva does a lot of things that resonate with people for different reasons, not just depression but also sexuality and familial pain. It's just written extremely well, each character feels like they have their own shit going on. It's also like, extremely memeable.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I think it's messy and raw but ultimately good writing yeah, as long as you don't expect it to have like, a coherent overarching plot that will explain the mysteries at the end, which does bug me some. We never really find out clearly what the angels are or why anything happens, I don't think the writers know either, it's just a fever dream kind of a plot.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I think it's messy and raw but ultimately good writing yeah, as long as you don't expect it to have like, a coherent overarching plot that will explain the mysteries at the end, which does bug me some. We never really find out clearly what the angels are or why anything happens, I don't think the writers know either, it's just a fever dream kind of a plot.

    Confusion: Fly Me to the Moon edition

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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Honestly, I feel a lot of why people keep trying to fully "map" Eva when the series itself is way more concerned with Shinji's back and forth growth, trying to make everything fit together and make sense and explain things, is just that it leaves a pile of plot threads hanging, and is very bad at actually keeping its imagery and metaphor consistent.

    If you're feeling uncharitable towards the series, this might annoy you. But if you're feeling good towards the series, this is incredibly fertile ground to straight up Rorschach Test yourself some *prime* quality epileptic trees.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    the deconstruction parts of evagelion were meaningless to most of the western audience back in the day as we mostly had no familiarity with the genre tropes it was playing off of

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I've always had issues reading subtext. A spade is a spade as far as I understand. This extends to written and verbal mediums, I just do not grok things like how the spade is symbolic of the rich life the protagonist left behind to pursue his dreams in vain unless someone explicitly points it out. Even then I still may not see the connection if it's not well-supported with evidence.

    I was great fun to have in old English literature classes.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Eva is also just a really well done twisty, conspiracy-filled story, which I feel like it doesn't get enough credit for. It has an almost x-files sense of 90s paranoia and distrust of institutions. Our introduction to the story is just that there's scary space invaders and a government agency dedicated to stopping them, which is a very straightforward giant mech premise.

    And then we're like, err well, for being so heroic why is the eva kinda scary and creepy? Why does the leadership seem so decidedly non-heroic?

    For the aliens we start to see weird variations and experimentation in their designs - rather than some sort of animalistic invaders they seem almost intelligently designed, testing out different strategies of attack, using lateral thinking to challenge the defenders. For the humans we start to find out that there's conflicts within leadership - Kaiji shows up as a spy, trying to find out wtf they're really up to, seducing or coercing folks into giving him info.

    That feeling of unease and "something more is going on here" is why Eva throws in all that religious imagery, even though they didn't care about the meaning of it. Eva not caring about the meaning of its religious symbolism isn't them being lazy, it was just the creators knowing that they needed the wtf impact of recognizable symbolism to make you question the surface level reading of the story, to make you uneasy.

    And like normally the pilots are the most important part of a giant mech story, but in Eva the kid pilots are really just pieces on the board, mostly unaware of the big shit going on behind the scenes. They're still the emotional core of the story, but they're pretty clueless about anything beyond their own personal struggles.

    It's just a very cool, well executed twist on the typical simple boy and his giant robot story, but most of the time the only way anyone talks about that stuff is as part of the "eva as genre deconstruction" story, which I don't actually think Eva was trying to be.

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Madican wrote: »
    I've always had issues reading subtext. A spade is a spade as far as I understand. This extends to written and verbal mediums, I just do not grok things like how the spade is symbolic of the rich life the protagonist left behind to pursue his dreams in vain unless someone explicitly points it out. Even then I still may not see the connection if it's not well-supported with evidence.
    That shit is in large part a matter of experience. You need to both have seen enough media (to notice the common threads) and media analysis (informing you what those threads are) to start picking up on it yourself. And of course, some media just refuses to be analysed, or can easily be interpreted in many ways, and it's all valid.

    I think it might have been a Lindsay Ellis video where she said one of her teachers said the most difficult part with new students is convincing them that media analysis is not just "making shit up".

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    With the exception of 3.33 which i loathe (Goddamn just talk to Shinji and explain what went down, it'd save everyone a lot of grief!), that's part of why the Rebuild films work for me - they hit a lot of what you're mentioning there Kana, and it all comes together and gels a lot better.

    Also some fucking fantastic animation that really let them push things like the weridness of the angels and the finale just absolutely firing on every cylinder.

    Also it got us Shin Gojira, which is a: awesome, and b: nearly killed my flatmate and i with stiffling laughter in the theatre when Dramatic Bureaucracy To Evangelion Music happened.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Jragghen wrote: »
    I think a large part of the western appeal of Eva is it's the first exposure of a lot of people to Eastern societies taking surface-level "cool shit" from western religions the way that western societies do with eastern religions, tbh.

    Eiji Tsuburaya was sooooooo Catholic, is the thing

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Jragghen wrote: »
    I think a large part of the western appeal of Eva is it's the first exposure of a lot of people to Eastern societies taking surface-level "cool shit" from western religions the way that western societies do with eastern religions, tbh.

    Eiji Tsuburaya was sooooooo Catholic, is the thing

    Ultraman died for our sins

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Glal wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    I've always had issues reading subtext. A spade is a spade as far as I understand. This extends to written and verbal mediums, I just do not grok things like how the spade is symbolic of the rich life the protagonist left behind to pursue his dreams in vain unless someone explicitly points it out. Even then I still may not see the connection if it's not well-supported with evidence.
    That shit is in large part a matter of experience. You need to both have seen enough media (to notice the common threads) and media analysis (informing you what those threads are) to start picking up on it yourself. And of course, some media just refuses to be analysed, or can easily be interpreted in many ways, and it's all valid.

    I think it might have been a Lindsay Ellis video where she said one of her teachers said the most difficult part with new students is convincing them that media analysis is not just "making shit up".

    that's just it, I do see patterns like that but it's never in the metaphorical it's the mechanical. I'm almost hyper-aware of narrative beats and expectations to the point I can often do things like identify whodunnit in mysteries because a lot of them make the criminal the person who is introduced and then kept at arms length until the reveal. What evidence do I have? None! It's entirely meta knowledge of how that kind of story usually functions and I can derive things based on what point the plot is at in comparison to the Hero's Journey wheel, the personality of characters to glean their archetypes and thus "roles" within the narrative or group, or any other number of the many cogs and gears that a story uses to function. Sometimes even really dumb trivia like knowing that a particular company doesn't allow "villains" to use their products in media. So when a group of people all have the same type of product EXCEPT one person, well looks like I know who the jackass is gonna be.

    But when it comes to things like "What was the author trying to say?" I come up blank. "Why did the protagonist wield a sword?" Because she wanted to wield a sword. "What does the labyrinth represent?" It's just a labyrinth. "What can we infer from James Joyce's Ulysses?" That he was a sick sick man and why the goddamn fuck did you make us read about some dude jacking off to completion?!

    It's fine though. I let other people figure that stuff out because it's not something I can learn, otherwise I'd have something for as many stories as I've consumed. My brain is literally not wired to understand it, if you catch my meaning.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    I think a large part of the western appeal of Eva is it's the first exposure of a lot of people to Eastern societies taking surface-level "cool shit" from western religions the way that western societies do with eastern religions, tbh.

    Eiji Tsuburaya was sooooooo Catholic, is the thing

    Ultraman died for our sins

    It's always really fun to explain about Ultraman being very Christian inspired to people, because it always catches them by surprise.

    I'm also super looking foward to Shin Ultraman, it's getting a western release! I'm very happy about this.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Wing was my first exposure to Gundamn. I watched 3 episodes or so.
    It wasnt very good so I stopped watching.
    This was well over a decade ago.

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    The OG Gundam holds up pretty well imo.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Actually I think this might have been like 20 years ago. @_@

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    My impression is that 00s hits a lot of the same basic notes that Wing did, just better executed and with better animation.

    Except for poor Marnia, who just kinda gets crapped on by the story and it sucks, even if it's "realistic"

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    As I always say, I'd love to watch the show Evangelion is pretending to be at first, or even what it starts to reveal it might be around halfway through, it's just a shame what it actually is and has become since is incredibly shit. Very pretty animation and great music though!

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  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Didn't they actually make a version of Evangelion that was basically your typical rom-com bullshit anime but with Eva's characters? The Shinji-Ikari Raising Project or something I think it was called.

    Not animated as far as I know, but a manga (edit - it was also a game, I guess). I never read/played it.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    There is a whole subgenre of children and teenage fiction that star adolescent characters going on harrowing adventures to like, save the world or do some such other important thing. Since such fiction is, y'know, children's wish fulfillment of having all the percieved perks of independence with none of the drawbacks, rarely do such stories have the protagonists have lasting consequences from going on crazy life or death adventures.

    In other words
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DgM6VrxNE4

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