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  • ElaroElaro Who am I? What do I want?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
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    Children's rights are human rights.
  • djmdjm Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Gundi wrote: »
    Oh in less iffy news I read the fist few chapters of Throw Away The Suit Together and it's... good!

    The premise is a lesbian couple of two college grads are now job hunting and it's making them miserable. One thing leads to another and they make the impulsive decision to move to Okinawa to get away from everything. With a premise like that you might expect drama but so far it has been very cute, pure gay wish fulfillment. (For example chapter 2 ends with one of them shouting over the island of Okinawa "I'm gonna marry this woman!" Then the other tells her-suprisingly chill-aunt about how she's eloped to Okinawa with her fiance and the former lets the two of them bum out in her unused beach condo for the time being.)

    dangit, there are nothing like enough chapters of this (so far, at least)

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Elaro wrote: »

    "Potatoes are a compromise, not a food."

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsDpS2trd10

    I'm so glad Woolie's finally getting fully on board with Hunter Saltire Hunter, completely and totally of his own volition.

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  • WyreinWyrein Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    The main issue with AoT (thematically speaking) is the fact that it's the most fascist 'anti-fascist' work of fiction I've ever read, to the point that I genuinely believe that - regardless of authorial intent - actual far-right propagandists can learn a lot from it. Yes, the text does explicitly condemn the fascist-coded characters at several points, but it also gives them far better rhetorical ammo than any real-life fascists have ever had. The underlying geopolitical worldbuilding is absurdly simplistic and edgy, all in order to forcibly create a scenario in which 'I don't exactly condone it, but...'-type of arguments for genocide can be made.

    Add in some interesting narrative choices that have been made in order to set up this genocide-flavored trolley problem (decolonization as an act of racial self-genocide, history lessons about colonial atrocities being part of a campaign of repression, tying the rise of fascist movements to a genuine 'cycle of violence' in which oppressor and oppressed apparently take turns,...), and it's no wonder that people raise an eyebrow at the series.

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  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oh wait.

    So like, Chainsaw Man is good, huh?

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Oh wait.

    So like, Chainsaw Man is good, huh?

    If only someone had said something!

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Kana wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Oh wait.

    So like, Chainsaw Man is good, huh?

    If only someone had said something!

    You've all failed me for the last time.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I think I would like chainsaw man more if they didn’t get high in the writers room and go “wouldn’t it be great if the main character only wanted to touch boob?”

    Like that’s a side character archetype that everyone begrudgingly tolerates in most shows

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I think that's reflective of the fact the Denji is a product of a seemingly very broken system

    It's also refreshing to have a protagonist that is more selfish than most virtuous shonen guys

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    The whole thing with Denji's character arc is that he is absolutely starving for affection, and he has no idea what it actually is outside of "touch boobs". He goes through a lot of growth just in the period the first season of the anime covers.

    It's not like the writer just thought that would be a funny thing to do!

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I think I would like chainsaw man more if they didn’t get high in the writers room and go “wouldn’t it be great if the main character only wanted to touch boob?”

    Like that’s a side character archetype that everyone begrudgingly tolerates in most shows

    There wasn't a writer's room, it's a direct adaptation of a manga written by one guy. It's also very weird to suggest you'd need to be high to write a story where a person with no social development might have an immature set of goals and ways he relates to people (that develops as they mature).

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oghulk wrote: »
    I think I would like chainsaw man more if they didn’t get high in the writers room and go “wouldn’t it be great if the main character only wanted to touch boob?”

    Like that’s a side character archetype that everyone begrudgingly tolerates in most shows

    That uh

    That changes pretty significantly.

    technically denji still wants to touch boobs, but I mean, whom'st among us?

    he just thinks anemones are cooler now

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  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    The most noble of heros probably still want to peep a rude tiddy.

    I can get behind that, yeah.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    oh my god it was a joke
    I think that's reflective of the fact the Denji is a product of a seemingly very broken system

    It's also refreshing to have a protagonist that is more selfish than most virtuous shonen guys

    yeah I think it comes across pretty clearly, like "so you're saying my basic survival needs are no longer my only concern? well, I guess what do people do after that?"

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    oh my god it was a joke

    it's hard to tell that from the tone of your post. sadly the text-tone devil is still active in the world

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Naphtali wrote: »
    oh my god it was a joke

    it's hard to tell that from the tone of your post. sadly the text-tone devil is still active in the world

    that's fair, it certainly wasn't a good joke. I actually am just now watching the episode where he does touch boob and the resulting existential crisis is pretty great

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Denji is horny but not particularly gross about it, even given the fact that he starts the series with no socialization skills.

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  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Yeah that's kinda what surprised me. He's the horny dude anime character but they actually wrote him as like, a realistically horny dude?

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Denji also confirms consent ahead of time!

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    But for real Chainsaw Man is one of the best things in recent years.

    I've spilt plenty of digital ink on it, so I won't rehash it, but it's given me an extremely satisfying answer to What Makes Us Human?

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Everyone else already said this but the part that makes Denji's starting point of "I'm 10 or 20 years old, I'm stupid as hell, and I wanna touch boob" good is that despite being stupid as hell he quickly realizes touching a boob is not going to bring him any of the personal fulfillment and happiness he thought it would, he just didn't know what else to aim for from his stunted and fucked up life experience so far (and also he understands needing consent to touch someone else right from the start). So then he starts growing as a person and looking for the real things that will bring him happiness, figuring out what having real loving relationships with others means for the first time in his life due to his fucked up circumstances and pursuing that as best he can. It's good, interesting character writing that gets you rooting for him, as opposed to being a tired gag character trope used as an excuse to draw girls getting sexually harassed.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    If I could kill any one anime trope, it would be that constant attitude of like, either you're totally desireless and chaste, or you're a weirdo sex pest perv. Stories where characters are just a normal amount of horny are few and far between.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Are people watching Trigun Stampede? I'm on dubs only, so I'm running behind, but... hm. The animation and music is nice, but the writing just feels... broad as hell. I'll be upfront that I haven't watched the original show in MANY years, so it's possible these criticisms would apply equally if I went back, but anyway.

    Some examples of what I mean:
    -In episode 7, Livio is meant to be struggling between his lifelong (not a very long life) bond with Wolfwood and his programming from the bad guys. Nico says something that gets to him and he becomes lucid for the first time. Then the programming re-asserts itself. Now, normally, in a scene like this, you'd show contradicting mental attitudes that are at war (I hate him! He's my friend! Etc). Or perhaps a flashback to tortures suffered, Winter Soldier style (there's a little bit of this, but there's no shock or horror to it). In Stampede it's... the bad guy giving a speech with no persuasive value. Now perhaps what they meant with this was "they shattered his mind, so he takes bad speeches like this as gospel" but they didn't convey that, at all. It was like a placeholder version of the trope where they didn't finish any of the key scenes.
    -Because they're rushing through the plot, there hasn't actually been a competent debate about pacifism vs. violence yet. People are like "I'm gonna kill you, Vash!" and he goes, "Naw, I'm good." In one episode, the townspeople wanted to kill the armed terrorists who came to their town to kill them and also steal the only thing that keeps them alive. Vash's argument against doing that was literally a Kung Pao style "I implore you to reconsider!" Because he fires his gun in the very first episode, there isn't even a sense that he's EXTREMELY hesitant to resort to doing so (he didn't fire until episode FIVE in the original). Instead, you get the sense that he's cheap or lazy instead (OG Vash implied these traits on purpose, but they were a smokescreen for his deeply held belief in nonviolence).
    -To create the character of inexperienced, naive Meryl, they have her get ANGRY that Vash is attempting non-violent solutions to problems. This could work if she was desperate for a cool story to report on and she was being ghoulish in service of that, but she's frankly played off as childish to the point of being an idiot. Like, she's never seen a person get shot to death in front of her, and it would clearly upset and disgust her (we know this by that being her reaction when similar things happen because of the villain's actions), but she is also literally demanding that outcome anyway.

    The original show spent some time building the legend of "Vash the Stampede", letting you see how he behaved in different situations and what his contradictions and pain points might be. Most obviously, here's a Gunman who enters life or death situations on purpose, frequently, but seems emotionally unprepared for people on EITHER side to die. And he certainly doesn't want to hurt people. So when a MONSTER of a killer shows up and makes the situation "Kill him or watch as he kills a TON of people", that instantly upped the stakes as we already were invested in Vash saving people without killing anyone. The Stampede version has introduced a ton of complications (Rem) that we are not invested in, and with that lost time we're less invested in the core, moral conflict of the show. It's probably fixable, but this is certainly no Brotherhood style fixing of the original show. It strikes me as just worse.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I've been watching it but yeah I totally agree. The caveat of having such fancy ass animation is only getting like, I suspect, a single core to do a version of Trigun's story. And so that means "brrrrr character development and breathing time is for cowards!"

    It's pretty, I'm enjoying watching it, don't watch it as your first experience with Trigun.

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I'm loving Trigun Stampede. I feel like I'm getting a banger every week. I don't agree with people saying it's rushed, to me it comes off as more very efficient.

    That said, I also recently watched the movie Trigun Badlands Rumble. That movie really puts it into perspective how different Stampede is from the original. The characterization, the setting, the vibe, a lot of the unique hooks, all switched up. They're doing something quite different and while I enjoy the result I can see why people would bounce off Stampede.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Oh wait.

    So like, Chainsaw Man is good, huh?

    Eeeeeeeh.

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Vinland Saga S2 09

    I kinda feel like the whole story could end right here.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Dandadan chapter 96 dropped today! Last page is HYPE!

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Vinland Saga S2 09

    I kinda feel like the whole story could end right here.

    I haven't had the chance to watch any of S2 yet but I've been reading the manga for some time so... would you mind putting in spoiler tags where the story is at?

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Vinland Saga S2 09

    I kinda feel like the whole story could end right here.

    I haven't had the chance to watch any of S2 yet but I've been reading the manga for some time so... would you mind putting in spoiler tags where the story is at?
    Thorfinn's (final?) conversation... with Askeladd.

    It's a real good episode.

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Vinland Saga S2 09

    I kinda feel like the whole story could end right here.

    I haven't had the chance to watch any of S2 yet but I've been reading the manga for some time so... would you mind putting in spoiler tags where the story is at?
    Thorfinn gets knocked out fighting the farmhands with Einar, has a nightmare vision with Askeladd, wakes up and vows to Einar to abandon violence and become a new man. Closing shot on him hoeing the soil and looking at peace.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
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    With how fast its going through stuff there's no possible way it is even planned to have more than one more season at most. And honestly I kind of doubt even that.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Gundi wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Vinland Saga S2 09

    I kinda feel like the whole story could end right here.

    I haven't had the chance to watch any of S2 yet but I've been reading the manga for some time so... would you mind putting in spoiler tags where the story is at?
    Thorfinn's (final?) conversation... with Askeladd.

    It's a real good episode.

    Ah, yeah...
    Vinland Saga is a really great story about toxic masculinity and the cyclical nature of violence.

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