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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    rhylith wrote: »
    I remember franxx started awful, then for a couple episodes looked like maybe, MAYBE there was something there, until it quickly ensured us that nope it’s absolute garbage.

    Trigger did the character and mech designs and it shows but everything else is like.
    Yikes

    Yeah a lot of people forget that A-1 handled the majority of the script and such, and hoo boy can A-1 be a dumpster fire sometimes WRT adaptations or original content

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I don't think you're allowed to call it a fetish if it's that vanilla

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oh but tangentially related

    I was reading Gokurakugai, and it struck me just how much care goes into drawing hands, they're just extremely detailed.

    And I have a theory that it's entirely because the author is into women smoking.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 13
    Whippy wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    het is okay if it's like, I dunno, still cute

    and like... not ultra stiff crappy het. but if that's what you mean by forcefully @Whippy then... oh well, interest lost

    it is the upsetting, not cute kind of het.

    morbid curiosity is gone
    Sorce wrote: »
    There is a clear lesbian, who wants to try and pilot, but cannot, because her partner is also a woman and therefore they can't fuckjumpstart it.

    Anime why

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Oh but tangentially related

    I was reading Gokurakugai, and it struck me just how much care goes into drawing hands, they're just extremely detailed.

    And I have a theory that it's entirely because the author is into women smoking.

    I'm hoping this one succeeds, it's got a solid basic hook, an interesting world, and overall gorgeous art

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Darling in the Franxx is the most explicit example of Shinzo Abe's push to fund anime to try and encourage young people to get married and start families, to the point that it's practically a parody someone would come up with if they were given that as a prompt.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Darling in the Franxx is the most explicit example of Shinzo Abe's push to fund anime to try and encourage young people to get married and start families, to the point that it's practically a parody someone would come up with if they were given that as a prompt.

    I'd say Spy X Family is a much better effort.

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    japan has such a problem with fake families that are really spies already though, do they need another show about that?

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Darling in the Franxx is the most explicit example of Shinzo Abe's push to fund anime to try and encourage young people to get married and start families, to the point that it's practically a parody someone would come up with if they were given that as a prompt.

    I'd say Spy X Family is a much better effort.

    That's the joke that was making the rounds, yeah. The thing about Spy X Family, of course, is that it's a solid character-driven comedy with some genre trappings, and the familial appeal just naturally comes with the characters all being likable and being nice to each other.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Sorce wrote: »
    Darling in the Franxx is in my brain for two things, one is as a horrible replacement for Kyoko in Initial D (who always referred to her crush as 'darling'), and the other is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYY7YM3E9aw

    "Because Trigger."
    "Ohhh, that makes sense."

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Darling in the Franxx is in my brain for two things, one is as a horrible replacement for Kyoko in Initial D (who always referred to her crush as 'darling'), and the other is

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYY7YM3E9aw

    "Because Trigger."
    "Ohhh, that makes sense."
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    rhylith wrote: »
    I remember franxx started awful, then for a couple episodes looked like maybe, MAYBE there was something there, until it quickly ensured us that nope it’s absolute garbage.

    Trigger did the character and mech designs and it shows but everything else is like.
    Yikes

    Yeah a lot of people forget that A-1 handled the majority of the script and such, and hoo boy can A-1 be a dumpster fire sometimes WRT adaptations or original content

    ^ Trigger is definitely not perfect but franxx was not their baby

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Naphtali wrote: »
    man I've forgotten how promare goes then because I don't remember that at all
    Never forget the message of Promare: two boyfriends stop global warming with the overwhelming passions of hope and gay determination on their first date

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Naphtali wrote: »
    japan has such a problem with fake families that are really spies already though, do they need another show about that?

    sounds like a built in fanbase right there

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  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Everyone knows the best way to reach the young people is with a cool rap song, not anime.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    RT800 wrote: »
    Everyone knows the best way to reach the young people is with a cool rap song, not anime.
    they got all the angles covered
    https://youtu.be/Ok2b0MrpA_0

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Darling in the Franxx is exceptionally bad and problematic, but I'll say that I at least wasn't bored when I watched it.

    It was weird enough and full of spectacle that I was interested in where the fuck it would all go. And everything bad bit of character writing, plot twist, or awful example of gender politics kind of made me chuckle in the sheer audacity of it. It also reminded me of those bizarro future 70s films with trippy/bad ideas of sexuality and birth like Logan's Run and Zardoz, so that added a little bit of kitsch factor for me.

    When it got to the last episode with all the batshit stupid visuals and weird plot choices I just kind of cackled at it all. Almost reached a kind of "So bad it's almost watchable" level.
    Sorce wrote: »
    There is a clear lesbian, who wants to try and pilot, but cannot, because her partner is also a woman and therefore they can't fuckjumpstart it.

    Don't forget that in the later half of the series they introduce a squad of antagonistic pilots who are coded as very androgynous and are able to pilot their mechs solo without partners. And the main characters are like "Wow, everything about them is so strange and unnatural!"

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Shenl742 wrote: »
    Darling in the Franxx is exceptionally bad and problematic, but I'll say that I at least wasn't bored when I watched it.

    It was weird enough and full of spectacle that I was interested in where the fuck it would all go. And everything bad bit of character writing, plot twist, or awful example of gender politics kind of made me chuckle in the sheer audacity of it. It also reminded me of those bizarro future 70s films with trippy/bad ideas of sexuality and birth like Logan's Run and Zardoz, so that added a little bit of kitsch factor for me.

    When it got to the last episode with all the batshit stupid visuals and weird plot choices I just kind of cackled at it all. Almost reached a kind of "So bad it's almost watchable" level.
    Sorce wrote: »
    There is a clear lesbian, who wants to try and pilot, but cannot, because her partner is also a woman and therefore they can't fuckjumpstart it.

    Don't forget that in the later half of the series they introduce a squad of antagonistic pilots who are coded as very androgynous and are able to pilot their mechs solo without partners. And the main characters are like "Wow, everything about them is so strange and unnatural!"

    Sounds like a Trigger show, this is how I felt about Kill La Kill.

    The difference is that Trigger-produced shows (which this isn't) tend to be aware of and lean into their inherent absurdity. While Darling feels like it's actually sincere about it's craziness, and thinks that they're being real clever and profound.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Kill La Kill had a simple message to bring to the world and saw it through to the end: down with pants

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Madican wrote: »
    Kill La Kill had a simple message to bring to the world and saw it through to the end: down with pants

    Also Gamaguri must be larger than everyone else on screen

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Kill La Kill had a simple message to bring to the world and saw it through to the end: down with pants

    Also Gamaguri must be larger than everyone else on screen
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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I like how Sushio (Trigger animator and KLK character designer) apparently will just randomly spit out a new set of Ryuko and Mako drawings and it pretty much seems themed around “These two are on a date”

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I just finished Macross Delta. It was incredibly disappointing. Besides the music, I'd say it was roughly 3/4 terrible.

    As someone who has now watched about 75% of all Macross media (I missed most of original Macross, II and Zero, and most of the movies) I can now say with confidence: Macross is bad, actually.

    The highs are high enough to keep people interested, but good lord are the lows low. Again, besides the music, I'd say roughly 3/4 of the entire franchise is terrible. Which is not how I was expecting to feel about it when I started this journey. I'm willing to bump it up to 50/50 good/bad as I'm assuming original Macross is pretty good (for its time). I should probably go back and finish it at some point, just to be sure.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Reynolds wrote: »
    I just finished Macross Delta. It was incredibly disappointing. Besides the music, I'd say it was roughly 3/4 terrible.

    As someone who has now watched about 75% of all Macross media (I missed most of original Macross, II and Zero, and most of the movies) I can now say with confidence: Macross is bad, actually.

    The highs are high enough to keep people interested, but good lord are the lows low. Again, besides the music, I'd say roughly 3/4 of the entire franchise is terrible. Which is not how I was expecting to feel about it when I started this journey. I'm willing to bump it up to 50/50 good/bad as I'm assuming original Macross is pretty good (for its time). I should probably go back and finish it at some point, just to be sure.

    You didn't like Plus or Frontier?

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I had the thought that a lot of mecha tends to go off the fucking deep end, but then I realized that's more because almost all mecha is original. Manga and LNs do exist (eg FMP, Knights and Magic), but they're far from common. Even exo-suit half-mech things (eg Infinite Stratos, Horizon) are more common. Anyway, having to actually write an ending and close off plot threads I think is what actually makes them more likely to end up somehow piloting a space baby delivery service.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    I like how Sushio (Trigger animator and KLK character designer) apparently will just randomly spit out a new set of Ryuko and Mako drawings and it pretty much seems themed around “These two are on a date”

    gamaguri gets jealous

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Reynolds wrote: »
    I just finished Macross Delta. It was incredibly disappointing. Besides the music, I'd say it was roughly 3/4 terrible.

    As someone who has now watched about 75% of all Macross media (I missed most of original Macross, II and Zero, and most of the movies) I can now say with confidence: Macross is bad, actually.

    The highs are high enough to keep people interested, but good lord are the lows low. Again, besides the music, I'd say roughly 3/4 of the entire franchise is terrible. Which is not how I was expecting to feel about it when I started this journey. I'm willing to bump it up to 50/50 good/bad as I'm assuming original Macross is pretty good (for its time). I should probably go back and finish it at some point, just to be sure.

    Sounds like it's time to start Aquarion then.

    It may not necessarily be good, but it's certainly unhinged.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Macross Plus is not an anime, it is a cartoon. It was like watching 50 episodes of old Ninja Turtles or GI Joe or something. The plot advances ridiculously slowly, until they near the middle and end, and realize they have to hit a certain point on their timeline and rush through plot madly. It also has about twelve episodes worth of animation stretched out across those 50 episodes. It's bad.

    Frontier is actually totally fine! Solid B+ show right there.

    I've actually almost watched Aquarion a few times, maybe I should put it on the list.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Reynolds wrote: »
    Macross Plus is not an anime, it is a cartoon. It was like watching 50 episodes of old Ninja Turtles or GI Joe or something. The plot advances ridiculously slowly, until they near the middle and end, and realize they have to hit a certain point on their timeline and rush through plot madly. It also has about twelve episodes worth of animation stretched out across those 50 episodes. It's bad.

    Frontier is actually totally fine! Solid B+ show right there.

    I've actually almost watched Aquarion a few times, maybe I should put it on the list.

    Are we talking about the 4 ep OVA that is pretty universally acclaimed here or?

    edit: You sound like you are talking about Macross 7.

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Oh wow, sorry. I just hate Macross 7 so much it forced itself into my brain there.

    Plus is gorgeous but also did not hold my interest at all. I appreciated it while not really being my thing. I'll watch clips of the good parts and recommend it, but never watch it again.

    The Information High AMV is perfect though.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8RqB5RBQ0A

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Shenl742 wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Shenl742 wrote: »
    Darling in the Franxx is exceptionally bad and problematic, but I'll say that I at least wasn't bored when I watched it.

    It was weird enough and full of spectacle that I was interested in where the fuck it would all go. And everything bad bit of character writing, plot twist, or awful example of gender politics kind of made me chuckle in the sheer audacity of it. It also reminded me of those bizarro future 70s films with trippy/bad ideas of sexuality and birth like Logan's Run and Zardoz, so that added a little bit of kitsch factor for me.

    When it got to the last episode with all the batshit stupid visuals and weird plot choices I just kind of cackled at it all. Almost reached a kind of "So bad it's almost watchable" level.
    Sorce wrote: »
    There is a clear lesbian, who wants to try and pilot, but cannot, because her partner is also a woman and therefore they can't fuckjumpstart it.

    Don't forget that in the later half of the series they introduce a squad of antagonistic pilots who are coded as very androgynous and are able to pilot their mechs solo without partners. And the main characters are like "Wow, everything about them is so strange and unnatural!"

    Sounds like a Trigger show, this is how I felt about Kill La Kill.

    The difference is that Trigger-produced shows (which this isn't) tend to be aware of and lean into their inherent absurdity. While Darling feels like it's actually sincere about it's craziness, and thinks that they're being real clever and profound.

    to bring it back to A-1, let us not forget that Franxx came out around when A-1's cash cow of choice was still Sword Art Online

    which, well, some of that show's problems are inherent to the source material but given it's a light novel and not a manga I feel like it's fair to say they made some choices there

    (it's me I'm the one with a really strong anti-A-1 bias)

    edit: further research indicates that the main writers were Naotaka Hayashi, the guy what loves putting semi colons into anime titles a la Chaos;Head, and Atsushi Nishigori, a guy who's normally a leading animator at Trigger and the old associated Gainax unit but who had no prior writing credits to his name. so, perhaps some of the issues are Trigger-derived (which makes sense, Nishigori also directed the last episodes of Diebuster and those go off the rails in a similar, albeit more coherent/fun/cool way, to how the finale of Franxx goes)

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    Naotaka Hayashi, the guy what loves putting semi colons into anime titles a la Chaos;Head, and Atsushi Nishigori, a guy who's normally a leading animator at Trigger and the old associated Gainax unit but who had no prior writing credits to his name. so, perhaps some of the issues are Trigger-derived (which makes sense, Nishigori also directed the last episodes of Diebuster and those go off the rails in a similar, albeit more coherent/fun/cool way, to how the finale of Franxx goes)

    Oh, THAT guy. I absolutely loathe all of the "semicolon title" things he's written. The writing is always the fucking worst version of the sort of Lost-style "mystery box" writing, where he clearly writes comes up with a bunch of mysteries with no particular resolution in mind, then wraps it all up with an ending that makes you feel like you've been hoodwinked into wasting your time watching. "Wait, none of the mysteries mattered, it turns out fucking magic is real and can do exactly what was needed to explain everything and this was not foreshadowed in any way, and you are a sucker for trying to figure out how it all tied together"
    If he wrote Franxx that explains a lot.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
  • WyreinWyrein Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    Naotaka Hayashi, the guy what loves putting semi colons into anime titles a la Chaos;Head, and Atsushi Nishigori, a guy who's normally a leading animator at Trigger and the old associated Gainax unit but who had no prior writing credits to his name. so, perhaps some of the issues are Trigger-derived (which makes sense, Nishigori also directed the last episodes of Diebuster and those go off the rails in a similar, albeit more coherent/fun/cool way, to how the finale of Franxx goes)

    Oh, THAT guy. I absolutely loathe all of the "semicolon title" things he's written. The writing is always the fucking worst version of the sort of Lost-style "mystery box" writing, where he clearly writes comes up with a bunch of mysteries with no particular resolution in mind, then wraps it all up with an ending that makes you feel like you've been hoodwinked into wasting your time watching. "Wait, none of the mysteries mattered, it turns out fucking magic is real and can do exactly what was needed to explain everything and this was not foreshadowed in any way, and you are a sucker for trying to figure out how it all tied together"
    If he wrote Franxx that explains a lot.

    It doesn't, really. I know you hate SciADV based on their anime adaptations, but Hayashi was the main writer for several Visual Novels within the series, not their anime adaptations which - aside from Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 - are universally acknowledged to be quite awful when compared to the source material.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    I suppose what I'm poking at here is, I get the feeling Franxx's issues aren't really the individual fault of any one person so much as a stack of several layers of problems

    Like, at a bare minimum you've got an experienced Trigger/Gainax animation and storyboarding guy who is out of his depth on actually writing stuff, another writer who's better known for VN thrillers trying to do a horny mech show, a studio that I've heard described as the WcDonald's of anime, and then also a production committee touting the government's line re: conservative heteronormativity. And then, who knows who actually had control of the final run at the script

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Wyrein wrote: »
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    Naotaka Hayashi, the guy what loves putting semi colons into anime titles a la Chaos;Head, and Atsushi Nishigori, a guy who's normally a leading animator at Trigger and the old associated Gainax unit but who had no prior writing credits to his name. so, perhaps some of the issues are Trigger-derived (which makes sense, Nishigori also directed the last episodes of Diebuster and those go off the rails in a similar, albeit more coherent/fun/cool way, to how the finale of Franxx goes)

    Oh, THAT guy. I absolutely loathe all of the "semicolon title" things he's written. The writing is always the fucking worst version of the sort of Lost-style "mystery box" writing, where he clearly writes comes up with a bunch of mysteries with no particular resolution in mind, then wraps it all up with an ending that makes you feel like you've been hoodwinked into wasting your time watching. "Wait, none of the mysteries mattered, it turns out fucking magic is real and can do exactly what was needed to explain everything and this was not foreshadowed in any way, and you are a sucker for trying to figure out how it all tied together"
    If he wrote Franxx that explains a lot.

    It doesn't, really. I know you hate SciADV based on their anime adaptations, but Hayashi was the main writer for several Visual Novels within the series, not their anime adaptations which - aside from Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 - are universally acknowledged to be quite awful when compared to the source material.

    I liked the Occultic;Nine anime a lot, but I hear the VN is even better.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 13
    I really loved all of Diebuster, even the crazy stuff towards the end. It was just fun, and pretty self aware, and the finale was really sweet.

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