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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Anzekay wrote: »
    I really loved all of Diebuster, even the crazy stuff towards the end. It was just fun, and pretty self aware, and the finale was really sweet.

    Oh yeah Diebuster is one of my favorites of all time, and the way it goes absolutely wild at the end is crazy in a good way I think

    Just, Franxx tries to clone some of that story beat and visual motif and doesn't quite stick the landing where Diebuster did

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  • WyreinWyrein Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Wyrein wrote: »
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    Naotaka Hayashi, the guy what loves putting semi colons into anime titles a la Chaos;Head, and Atsushi Nishigori, a guy who's normally a leading animator at Trigger and the old associated Gainax unit but who had no prior writing credits to his name. so, perhaps some of the issues are Trigger-derived (which makes sense, Nishigori also directed the last episodes of Diebuster and those go off the rails in a similar, albeit more coherent/fun/cool way, to how the finale of Franxx goes)

    Oh, THAT guy. I absolutely loathe all of the "semicolon title" things he's written. The writing is always the fucking worst version of the sort of Lost-style "mystery box" writing, where he clearly writes comes up with a bunch of mysteries with no particular resolution in mind, then wraps it all up with an ending that makes you feel like you've been hoodwinked into wasting your time watching. "Wait, none of the mysteries mattered, it turns out fucking magic is real and can do exactly what was needed to explain everything and this was not foreshadowed in any way, and you are a sucker for trying to figure out how it all tied together"
    If he wrote Franxx that explains a lot.

    It doesn't, really. I know you hate SciADV based on their anime adaptations, but Hayashi was the main writer for several Visual Novels within the series, not their anime adaptations which - aside from Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 - are universally acknowledged to be quite awful when compared to the source material.

    I liked the Occultic;Nine anime a lot, but I hear the VN is even better.

    Occultic;Nine is a really weird outlier within SciADV, partly because it's actually the only entry for which the source material is not a VN but an incomplete series of light novels written by the main series planner (Chiyomaru Shikura). The first ~9 episodes of the anime adapt the LNs that exist and then the final three wrap up the story. A VN was made afterwards but from what I've heard (I've never read it as it was never translated to English and most likely never will be) the story it tells is pretty much a slightly worse version of the LNs/anime. Therefore, this is the one entry for which the consensus (at least amongst the people within the Western SciADV fanbase who can read Japanese) seems to be the opposite of all the other entries; this time the anime is better than the VN.

    In any case, I'm not sure to what extent (if any) Hayashi was involved with O;9, but he most definitely was not the main writer for any version of the story like he was for the VNs of Chaos;Head, Steins;Gate and Robotics;Notes.

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  • IronKnuckleIronKnuckle This is also my fault Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    You ever think about living in the database, database?

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    You ever think about living in the database, database?

    Whenever I do, I just uninstall, uninstall.

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  • IronKnuckleIronKnuckle This is also my fault Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Reynolds wrote: »
    You ever think about living in the database, database?

    Whenever I do, I just uninstall, uninstall.

    Acquaintance of mine once described the plot of this show, and I knew I'd never watch it.

    Absolute banger of an OP though.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Anzekay wrote: »
    I really loved all of Diebuster, even the crazy stuff towards the end. It was just fun, and pretty self aware, and the finale was really sweet.

    man that show had some great design ideas, like what if Jotaro Kujo was a stand, and what if instead of a normal stand he was a giant Mecha

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Can't wait for the Gunbuster OVA blu ray release coming up in May, I've wanted to own that series for ages now.

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  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Wait did the japanese government actually fund the production of anime that'd encourage people to start families? I thought those Abe memes were just memes.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    cB557 wrote: »
    Wait did the japanese government actually fund the production of anime that'd encourage people to start families? I thought those Abe memes were just memes.

    As far as I can tell it is just a meme, but, there is a "there" there WRT anime and manga industry production/editorial staff clearly craving something deeply and problematically heteronormative

    Like, the fact that World's End Harem, which got mentioned earlier up thread, isn't even the grossest "Y: The Last Man but make it a trash-tier ecchi/harem" series I know of...

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    I really loved all of Diebuster, even the crazy stuff towards the end. It was just fun, and pretty self aware, and the finale was really sweet.

    man that show had some great design ideas, like what if Jotaro Kujo was a stand, and what if instead of a normal stand he was a giant Mecha

    also the fact that he can be summoned using the FLCL forehead portal is very fun

    really gives Diebuster a mild "Turn A Gundam but for Gainax OVAs" vibe

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    The memes are because the show is pushing Abe's heteronormative child-bearing message, regardless of whether or not government was actually directly involved. The show's director literally said in an interview that the two genders of boy and girl are required for marriages and children to exist, and the show is conveying that to the audience.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Japan is really great at brainstorming solutions to problems just so they can ignore the actual roots of those problems and pretend to be doing something. Like the declining birth rate and its link to the ever-increasing workload of the average Japanese salaryperson draining all their time and energy to the point there's an actual word for "death by overworking". And just because Abe's dead doesn't mean that will change, Japan's conservatives have held control since after World War 2 when they murdered the leader of the "liberal" party to ensure their power.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Remember, if you're not having penetrative vaginal sex that results in procreation, you're not really a person.

    This uplifting message brought to you by Clamp.

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    now to be fair, two guys can do it too, but the process is a little different

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Remember, if you're not having penetrative vaginal sex that results in procreation, you're not really a person.

    This uplifting message brought to you by Clamp.

    Not so sure that's a Clamp thing considering how much gay subtext there was in Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle between Fai and Kurogane to the point even I noticed it

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    that is one of the least homoerotic things jojo has done

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Yeah Clamp is totally part of that 70s/80s era of shoujo writers "all kinds of love is beautiful" stuff. Which is frequently problematic as fuck in the particulars, but heteronormative? Not so much.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    You guys have a way rosier view of Chobits than me.

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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I mean, it's been nearly twentyfive years since I read it, so I may be forgetting the details, but wasn't it like, the whole thing in Chobits that they very much get together and Chii is absolutely a person despite being specifically unable to have "penetrative sex for the purpose of procreation", as you put it, because her creator was iirc some kind of twisted fuck?

    And it's like, the guy's like "sure, it sucks, I would very much love to be able to have sex with my girlfriend, but we'll manage".

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Hell, RG Veda, Clamp's first manga includes:

    1 - A non-binary main character
    2 - Two female main characters in an open and loving relationship
    3 - A major part of the lore involves two male characters having sex in exchange for making a deal

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Drascin wrote: »
    I mean, it's been nearly twentyfive years since I read it, so I may be forgetting the details, but wasn't it like, the whole thing in Chobits that they very much get together and Chii is absolutely a person despite being specifically unable to have "penetrative sex for the purpose of procreation", as you put it, because her creator was iirc some kind of twisted fuck?

    And it's like, the guy's like "sure, it sucks, I would very much love to be able to have sex with my girlfriend, but we'll manage".

    The anime and manga have extremely different endings. The manga explicitly states:
    That Chii isn't capable of love, or emotions at all. It's all a program. There's nothing special about her whatsoever. She's acting solely as she was programmed to. His love is 'pure' and perfect because it is void of sexual desire.

    Answering the question: "Can you love a machine even though it's a machine?" with yes, I don't have an issue with. Framing the question as "We will never be able to have vaginal sex or have a biological child, so we will forever be anguished. Do you love me anyway?" That is the issue. That if you're not a heteronormative nuclear family, then your relationship is innately lesser/something that you must struggle with.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Meanwhile, a ton of men in Korea are thinking, "clearly the fertility problem is because of feminism"

    Probably don't need the "in Korea" part

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  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    that is one of the least homoerotic things jojo has done

    May I say that I was very disappointed when I finally saw Jojo (though I haven't seen seasons 3 and 4) that it was not nearly as homoerotic as I was hoping it'd be.

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] regular
    edited April 13
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  • AbacusAbacus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Kana wrote: »
    Yeah Clamp is totally part of that 70s/80s era of shoujo writers "all kinds of love is beautiful" stuff. Which is frequently problematic as fuck in the particulars, but heteronormative? Not so much.

    Reminder that Card Captor Sakura has not one, not two, not three but four different student-teacher relationships.

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Kana wrote: »
    Yeah Clamp is totally part of that 70s/80s era of shoujo writers "all kinds of love is beautiful" stuff. Which is frequently problematic as fuck in the particulars, but heteronormative? Not so much.

    Reminder that Card Captor Sakura has not one, not two, not three but four different student-teacher relationships.

    Just a smart setup for the sequel series, To Card Capture a Predator.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Madican wrote: »
    Japan is really great at brainstorming solutions to problems just so they can ignore the actual roots of those problems and pretend to be doing something. Like the declining birth rate and its link to the ever-increasing workload of the average Japanese salaryperson draining all their time and energy to the point there's an actual word for "death by overworking". And just because Abe's dead doesn't mean that will change, Japan's conservatives have held control since after World War 2 when they murdered the leader of the "liberal" party to ensure their power.

    Oh, the American military occupation actively encouraged/propped up anti-communist parties and helped suppress and defang any of the Japanese political parties deemed too left-wing for a few decades, too.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Other than the heteronormative stuff what else is wrong with Franxx writing. It seemed bog standard to me.

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  • ElaroElaro Who am I? What do I want?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Remember, if you're not having penetrative vaginal sex that results in procreation, you're not really a person.

    This uplifting message brought to you by Clamp.

    Narrator: It was actually Clamp's evil clone, Clomp, raised in secret to hate all that Clamp holds dear.
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Kana wrote: »
    Yeah Clamp is totally part of that 70s/80s era of shoujo writers "all kinds of love is beautiful" stuff. Which is frequently problematic as fuck in the particulars, but heteronormative? Not so much.

    Reminder that Card Captor Sakura has not one, not two, not three but four different student-teacher relationships.

    Narrator (*adding hastily*): While Clomp was always queerphobic, they were also known to fight against all forms of romantic relationships with an overt power imbalance between the partners back in the early oughts. Their current stance on this issue is unknown.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Other than the heteronormative stuff what else is wrong with Franxx writing. It seemed bog standard to me.

    The story gets extraordinarily nonsensical in the last six or so episodes, and the ending is a doozy.
    What happened is that aliens invaded and conquered humanity, but then sentient lava lizard monsters secretly lived in the Earth's core all along, and were able to defeat the aliens. Except that humans could fight the lava monsters, so the aliens brainwashed the shit out of humanity and used them as thralls to proxy war the lizard queen. Zero Two is a human-lizard clone of the lizard queen. They hijack the aliens' super weapon, turning it into a super mech and drive the aliens off, but the aliens upload a bunch of human 'souls' to their mainframe before they go.

    At this point, the lizard people reveal that they secretly launched a warp gate back at the start of the war decades ago towards the aliens' home world, so the two main characters jump into their super robot, pick up a planet destroying bomb, and go through the warp gate. Except oops, it's nowhere near the alien's planet yet, so they drift through space for a few years. When they finally reach the planet, they're drained of energy, so everybody on Earth prays for them to be strong, which gives them the energy to literally kamikaze the alien's planet, completely obliterating it and 'saving' the uploaded souls (to death) while the aliens yell "We'll get you next time, Gadget! Next time!" And then the protagonists are reincarnated a thousand years later. The end.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Finished Megalobox season 1. What a great show.

    Started Megalobox season 2. Holy shit, I was in no way prepared for this shift.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    basically Darling in the Franxx is like Gurren Lagann without any of the things that made Gurren Lagann fun

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Other than the heteronormative stuff what else is wrong with Franxx writing. It seemed bog standard to me.

    The story gets extraordinarily nonsensical in the last six or so episodes, and the ending is a doozy.
    What happened is that aliens invaded and conquered humanity, but then sentient lava lizard monsters secretly lived in the Earth's core all along, and were able to defeat the aliens. Except that humans could fight the lava monsters, so the aliens brainwashed the shit out of humanity and used them as thralls to proxy war the lizard queen. Zero Two is a human-lizard clone of the lizard queen. They hijack the aliens' super weapon, turning it into a super mech and drive the aliens off, but the aliens upload a bunch of human 'souls' to their mainframe before they go.

    At this point, the lizard people reveal that they secretly launched a warp gate back at the start of the war decades ago towards the aliens' home world, so the two main characters jump into their super robot, pick up a planet destroying bomb, and go through the warp gate. Except oops, it's nowhere near the alien's planet yet, so they drift through space for a few years. When they finally reach the planet, they're drained of energy, so everybody on Earth prays for them to be strong, which gives them the energy to literally kamikaze the alien's planet, completely obliterating it and 'saving' the uploaded souls (to death) while the aliens yell "We'll get you next time, Gadget! Next time!" And then the protagonists are reincarnated a thousand years later. The end.

    I didn't understand any of that in the spoiler, but it sounds like nobody watching it did either.

    Also I ran out of eps at episode 20 as I said before I stopped watching so this confirms that I should just make up my own ending. I was wondering if there was something wrong with the entire show from the start writing wise because it wasn't actually doing anything to be doing anything wrong. It hadn't reached the point of attempting to cash in on anything.

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Finished Megalobox season 1. What a great show.

    Started Megalobox season 2. Holy shit, I was in no way prepared for this shift.

    Megalobox is a great example of: "Why would you make a season 2? This is perfectly self contained don't be dumb!" -> "Oh shit you've got a story to tell let's do this"

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Re Japan and babies: Every industrialized nation is having the same problem. Even places in the Netherlands which people seem to see as leftist utopias.

    The fact of the matter is, now that people don't need kids and you can enjoy life simply by spending money on yourself and you'll probably end up in a care home either way... Most people aren't going to bother.

    Japan is just ahead of the curve.



    As for anime stuff... I was hanging out with my mom and she saw a Promised Neverland poster and thought it looked cool. So I bought her the first manga volume. Now she's asking me for the second one because she needs to know what happens next. Aww yeah, onboarding my 62 year old mother into the fold.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    now to be fair, two guys can do it too, but the process is a little different


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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
  • AbacusAbacus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Re Japan and babies: Every industrialized nation is having the same problem. Even places in the Netherlands which people seem to see as leftist utopias.

    The fact of the matter is, now that people don't need kids and you can enjoy life simply by spending money on yourself and you'll probably end up in a care home either way... Most people aren't going to bother.

    Japan is just ahead of the curve.



    As for anime stuff... I was hanging out with my mom and she saw a Promised Neverland poster and thought it looked cool. So I bought her the first manga volume. Now she's asking me for the second one because she needs to know what happens next. Aww yeah, onboarding my 62 year old mother into the fold.

    Unlike most industrialized nations however, Japan has known this was coming since the 70's and they have been working on ways to handle the issue. Some of the best public healthcare and childcare of the world, subsidized housing if you are willing to live outside the major cities*, mass investment on automatization and being willing to move their industrial footprint to countries with better demographics, and so on and so on. So, their birthrate actually went up a bit, is still bad, but is something, and they are doing better than most countries on East Asia.

    *Which is fighting against the facts that the jobs are on Tokyo, poor Internet access outside the large cities and boomer execs fighting tooth and nail againstg WFH, but hey.

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