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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lars wrote: »
    A youtuber that shows up later in Oshi no Ko's manga, is now an actual youtuber:

    The author of that manga loves V-tubers, iirc?

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  • ElaroElaro Who am I? What do I want?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Sorce wrote: »
    Facepunch Gundam, current week's episode.
    Confirmation that Aerial is in fact Eri, because Suletta's Mom is kind of a monster that does terrible things in the name of peace.
    I suspect "Elnora used desperate measures to keep herself and her 4 year-old from dying adrift in a space mech, and then spent the next 21 years coping with the trauma of Ep0 and the consequences of putting/uploading her baby girl's brain in a mech" is a more accurate description than "I'll sacrifice my daughters for World Peace!", but, either way, we've got a Bad Parent on our hands.

    (Still better than Gendo)

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    MSG WFM 14:

    Well, that escalated quickly.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    2 blatant rip offs in 2 weeks tor jump

    Hikaru no movie director and detective Conan but hitman

    Meh.

    I'm disappointed, since both creators had hits in the past.

    Poor Ginka and Gluna had to die for this?!

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I stand by This Series Super Benefits from a tight episode count, because damn

    Like letting htings breathe is great sometimes, but i actually feel WfM has been perfect at letting stuff breathe when it needed to breathe, and when it wants to go hard... oh boy oh boy.
    So the big question i've got is who's supplying the Gundams to Earth faction? Shaddiq getting played by Prospera? Something else?

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Elaro wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Facepunch Gundam, current week's episode.
    Confirmation that Aerial is in fact Eri, because Suletta's Mom is kind of a monster that does terrible things in the name of peace.
    I suspect "Elnora used desperate measures to keep herself and her 4 year-old from dying adrift in a space mech, and then spent the next 21 years coping with the trauma of Ep0 and the consequences of putting/uploading her baby girl's brain in a mech" is a more accurate description than "I'll sacrifice my daughters for World Peace!", but, either way, we've got a Bad Parent on our hands.

    (Still better than Gendo)
    The especially funny part was:
    Woman: "You uploaded your daughter to the Matrix!? You monster!"
    Same Woman Six Episodes Ago: "This orphan I've been secretly experimenting on to become a war machine has failed. Feed him to the incinerator."

    Fascinating moral compass you have there.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Having seen Gai-Rei Zero before I had a good time watching everyone's reactions hahahaha

    Kongming is really fun, dig it a lot

    The silent credits at the end of the first episode.

    *chef's kiss*

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  • ElaroElaro Who am I? What do I want?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Elaro wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Facepunch Gundam, current week's episode.
    Confirmation that Aerial is in fact Eri, because Suletta's Mom is kind of a monster that does terrible things in the name of peace.
    I suspect "Elnora used desperate measures to keep herself and her 4 year-old from dying adrift in a space mech, and then spent the next 21 years coping with the trauma of Ep0 and the consequences of putting/uploading her baby girl's brain in a mech" is a more accurate description than "I'll sacrifice my daughters for World Peace!", but, either way, we've got a Bad Parent on our hands.

    (Still better than Gendo)
    The especially funny part was:
    Woman: "You uploaded your daughter to the Matrix!? You monster!"
    Same Woman Six Episodes Ago: "This orphan I've been secretly experimenting on to become a war machine has failed. Feed him to the incinerator."

    Fascinating moral compass you have there.

    WfM:
    She was actually arguing against incinerating him. It's the three Witches Peil CEOs that decided to turn that boy into ashes.

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    Children's rights are human rights.
  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Elaro wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Facepunch Gundam, current week's episode.
    Confirmation that Aerial is in fact Eri, because Suletta's Mom is kind of a monster that does terrible things in the name of peace.
    I suspect "Elnora used desperate measures to keep herself and her 4 year-old from dying adrift in a space mech, and then spent the next 21 years coping with the trauma of Ep0 and the consequences of putting/uploading her baby girl's brain in a mech" is a more accurate description than "I'll sacrifice my daughters for World Peace!", but, either way, we've got a Bad Parent on our hands.

    (Still better than Gendo)
    "Get in your Mother, Shinji Big Sister, Suletta."
    Arguable.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Sorce wrote: »
    Facepunch Gundam, current week's episode.
    Confirmation that Aerial is in fact Eri, because Suletta's Mom is kind of a monster that does terrible things in the name of peace.
    uh huh, peace, that's what she's after, definitely not revenge, no way she'd lie to Miorine

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Elaro wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Facepunch Gundam, current week's episode.
    Confirmation that Aerial is in fact Eri, because Suletta's Mom is kind of a monster that does terrible things in the name of peace.
    I suspect "Elnora used desperate measures to keep herself and her 4 year-old from dying adrift in a space mech, and then spent the next 21 years coping with the trauma of Ep0 and the consequences of putting/uploading her baby girl's brain in a mech" is a more accurate description than "I'll sacrifice my daughters for World Peace!", but, either way, we've got a Bad Parent on our hands.

    (Still better than Gendo)
    The especially funny part was:
    Woman: "You uploaded your daughter to the Matrix!? You monster!"
    Same Woman Six Episodes Ago: "This orphan I've been secretly experimenting on to become a war machine has failed. Feed him to the incinerator."

    Fascinating moral compass you have there.
    to be fair, she personally didn't want to feed him to the incinerator and clearly feels deeply guilty about it, which I think is why she's been helping the gund-arm crew and is making contact with Elnora, because she was deciding her masters at the other corporation are monsters, but now she's realizing Elnora is just a different variety of monster.

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  • CantideCantide Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    For months now, I’ve had no real idea what’s going on in Jujutsu Kaisen despite reading it every week. I think at this point I’m just waiting for the anime to catch up and hopefully paint a clearer picture.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Cantide wrote: »
    For months now, I’ve had no real idea what’s going on in Jujutsu Kaisen despite reading it every week. I think at this point I’m just waiting for the anime to catch up and hopefully paint a clearer picture.

    I am so glad I’m not the only one going through this same exact thing

    It’s like someone went “what if I took bleach, but maybe only explained a fifth of what was happening at any given moment.”

    Also like I can appreciate things Just Happening and maybe we don’t linger on it in the moment that it did… but at some point we gotta take time to acknowledge that when it’s a major event, instead of just “and now we are moving on!”

    Like the whole goddamn situation with
    Kugisaki and if she died or pulled through; at this point I’m pretty sure she has to be dead but they haven’t done, like, anything to address it during this arc aside from implying she died when they were saying they wouldn’t let the same happen to Angel+Kurusu

    Hell I still don’t know how the fuck the Culling game is actually supposed to work or what it’s really meant to do to further Kenjaku’s ends?

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  • LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    G-Witch 14:
    goddamn this plot is trying to break the sound barrier it's moving so fast.
    I did all this research about Eri being Aerial and she just, tweeted it out. I was about to say something about this means Suletta has to be a clone but we already have the answer, Suletta is just an Elan but from a very young age so she doesn't remember being anyone else.

    Also, something I find interesting is it's the original Aerial in the ending theme, not the rebuild.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lasbrook wrote: »
    G-Witch 14:
    goddamn this plot is trying to break the sound barrier it's moving so fast.
    I did all this research about Eri being Aerial and she just, tweeted it out. I was about to say something about this means Suletta has to be a clone but we already have the answer, Suletta is just an Elan but from a very young age so she doesn't remember being anyone else.

    Also, something I find interesting is it's the original Aerial in the ending theme, not the rebuild.
    It's possible she's not an Elan style body double and is just Elnora's second child, she might have been pregnant at the time of the attack. Does the timeline work out for that?

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  • LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lasbrook wrote: »
    G-Witch 14:
    goddamn this plot is trying to break the sound barrier it's moving so fast.
    I did all this research about Eri being Aerial and she just, tweeted it out. I was about to say something about this means Suletta has to be a clone but we already have the answer, Suletta is just an Elan but from a very young age so she doesn't remember being anyone else.

    Also, something I find interesting is it's the original Aerial in the ending theme, not the rebuild.
    It's possible she's not an Elan style body double and is just Elnora's second child, she might have been pregnant at the time of the attack. Does the timeline work out for that?
    Not without some shenanigans. The Vanadis Incident was 21 years ago and Suletta is supposed to be 17 right?

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  • neverreallyneverreally Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Jujutsu Kaisens author only knows how to do two things. Introduce new characters, and immediately make them fight.

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  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Goddammit SpyXFamily is so much dang fun.

    I didn't expect to enjoy it this much but every character they introduce is absolutely ridiculous in a way that juuuuuust warps the trope enough to be a little bit of a surprise every time. Just some good ole goofs with solid comedic timing. They never run a joke or gag into the ground. One or two beats and then they move on.

    Man.

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  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Also every time they throw down an English GOD DAMN it absolutely kills me for some reason.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Elaro wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Facepunch Gundam, current week's episode.
    Confirmation that Aerial is in fact Eri, because Suletta's Mom is kind of a monster that does terrible things in the name of peace.
    I suspect "Elnora used desperate measures to keep herself and her 4 year-old from dying adrift in a space mech, and then spent the next 21 years coping with the trauma of Ep0 and the consequences of putting/uploading her baby girl's brain in a mech" is a more accurate description than "I'll sacrifice my daughters for World Peace!", but, either way, we've got a Bad Parent on our hands.

    (Still better than Gendo)
    The especially funny part was:
    Woman: "You uploaded your daughter to the Matrix!? You monster!"
    Same Woman Six Episodes Ago: "This orphan I've been secretly experimenting on to become a war machine has failed. Feed him to the incinerator."

    Fascinating moral compass you have there.
    okay so
    The character in question is very clearly a coward. Given her connection to Gundam research, her life would potentially be in jeopardy. So she fell under the protection of a big company in exchange for doing any research they wanted. Presumably she isn't happy about you know, the child experimentation, but she's doing it anyway because she's a coward and if she stops she'd probably end up dead or in prison.

    This isn't a defense mind you, just my reading of the character. And I would argue that doing horrible experimentation to your own daughter is somewhat worse than doing it to random children, in an academic sense. (In a practical sense either way what they're doing is utterly unforgivable.)

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    hey that gwitch show

    pretty good huh

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Cantide wrote: »
    For months now, I’ve had no real idea what’s going on in Jujutsu Kaisen despite reading it every week. I think at this point I’m just waiting for the anime to catch up and hopefully paint a clearer picture.

    I initially thought the Culling Game's ruleset was way too convoluted for what was essentially dozens of chapters of straight fighting. But I think the real problem was that it took until like 70% of the way through the arc to get a handle on what the bad guy's motivations even were. When you don't even know what the point of the Culling Game is, then of course all the fighting is going to feel weightless.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I stand by This Series Super Benefits from a tight episode count, because damn

    Like letting htings breathe is great sometimes, but i actually feel WfM has been perfect at letting stuff breathe when it needed to breathe, and when it wants to go hard... oh boy oh boy.
    So the big question i've got is who's supplying the Gundams to Earth faction? Shaddiq getting played by Prospera? Something else?
    I strongly suspect Prospera. With Delling in a coma, she can start taking control of of various threads he had a hold on, for example she's obviously planning to use Miorine. Given the whole, y'know, Tempest reference, it's safe to assume she wants revenge and is also the powerful figure controlling events from the background while maintaining an illusion of distance.

    It's to be seen if like her original inspiration she'll have a change of heart at the last moment.

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    G witch 14
    So Shaddiq's gets his coup and also gets to pin the attack on Nikka and the Earth house. I'm wondering if we get a team up with Guel's female groupies soon as a way to escape the situation, feels like they're being built up for something, especially after chu chu saved the brother this ep

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  • HellboreHellbore A bad, bad man Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    ph blake wrote: »
    G witch 14
    So Shaddiq's gets his coup and also gets to pin the attack on Nikka and the Earth house. I'm wondering if we get a team up with Guel's female groupies soon as a way to escape the situation, feels like they're being built up for something, especially after chu chu saved the brother this ep
    I don't think Shaddiq planned on pinning the blame on Earth House, blaming the generic terrorists would have been enough. It was Martin that put the target on Earth House being a damn snitch.

    I agree that it looks like they're positioning Earth + what remains of Jeturk to be the protagonist faction.

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  • SethTheHumanSethTheHuman Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I ended up watching Suzume today as planned. It was quite lovely, and the dubbed version worked for me, but I haven't seen the subtitled version to compare it to.
    I admit the filmed dragged a bit for me in Act 3, on the last road trip from Tokyo to Suzume's hometown, and I didn't entirely understand the motivation of the cats throughout the movie. But I realize I'm probably missing some cultural understanding. It was still a great movie that made me cry a bit at the end.

    I saw some notes on That Website We Don't Link To that suggested it was originally intended to be a love story between two female characters, but executives shot the idea down. That could have been an interesting change.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Also from this week’s jump, I am baffled at what, exactly, is the moral calculus Cipher Academy is working with regarding “Cheating” involving Anonymity’s methods for winning the games.

    You are in a military academy branch for code breakers. You are literally training yourselves for war. Why are you talking about cheating and playing fair as if all this was just a game and not preparing you for how you need to think regarding information warfare.

    Anonymity is the only one who, as far as I can tell, is actually treating this whole set up as the prelude for what they’re training to be

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I ended up watching Suzume today as planned. It was quite lovely, and the dubbed version worked for me, but I haven't seen the subtitled version to compare it to.
    I admit the filmed dragged a bit for me in Act 3, on the last road trip from Tokyo to Suzume's hometown, and I didn't entirely understand the motivation of the cats throughout the movie. But I realize I'm probably missing some cultural understanding. It was still a great movie that made me cry a bit at the end.

    I saw some notes on That Website We Don't Link To that suggested it was originally intended to be a love story between two female characters, but executives shot the idea down. That could have been an interesting change.

    Character motivation spoilers. Don't read if you haven't seen this.
    GO AWAY WHAT ARE YOU DOING
    Smol cat (Daijin) wanted to be Suzume's cat because she released it from being a keystone then fed it, and wasn't actually opening any of the gates. It was leading Suzume to the gates so they could close them. Hence why it's going WOW every time she does. It also doesn't like Souta because it wants Suzume to itself. When she rejects it, it wilts and realises it can't get what it wants in its life outside of being a keystone, but it still likes Suzume, so it continues on with her and helps guide her to the door she's looking for at the end of the road trip. In the scene where she is pulling Souta out, Suzume says she is going to become the keystone instead. This is when smol cat realises it will NEVER get what it wants (it looks at her immediately when she says that in reaction), and it also doesn't want Suzume to become the keystone and lose her life, so it self sacrifices itself to help her pull Souta out and becomes the original keystone again. This is why it apologises. It's a smol cat, it doesn't really understand human society, it just liked Suzume in its own simple way.

    The other big black cat is the second Keystone they talked about. It failed to prevent the entire worm from escaping in Tokyo, but it is a good boy and follows along to help them. I assume it is a more negative keystone as there's a strong duality balance in most Japanese cultural stories involving this kind of sealing or pairs of things, hence why it influenced the aunt to say those things, but I don't think it's deliberately bad. It was the cat that rocked up outside Souta's grandfather's hospital window, when he told it that it wants to help. So it follows along to be the second keystone needed to seal the worm. As does smol cat.

    They're both gods (kami), neither really have standard human motivations.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Also I'm not sure about this reference to a character name but I suspect it's this (this also has some more information relating to a major climax point of the movie)
    GO AWAY MISCLICKER

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_the_Left

    The Minister of the Right (Udaijin) is the Sadaijin's deputy, which is probably why Sadaijin is the bigger cat dominating the smol cat with licks. If that is the reference, the implication is that these keystones have been sealing this worm for at least 1300 years, with the worm occasionally escaping and being resealed again. (Such as, for example, being heavily implied to have caused the Great Kanto Earthquake that devastated Tokyo in 1923, which grandad was probably around for and probably saw Saidaijin at the time.) I suspect the implication is that it's been even longer, but who knows if there were other keystones.

    That earthquake hangs heavily over the movie. Not only does the worm clearly represent a mushroom cloud, there is a deeply rooted fear in Japan that an earthquake as strong as the Great Kanto earthquake may hit Tokyo (or another major populated city) once again. So it's the shadows of two apocalpyses hanging over the city when Suzume is forced to slam Souta in. Hence all the focus on the everyday life of the city that will be obliterated.

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  • SethTheHumanSethTheHuman Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I ended up watching Suzume today as planned. It was quite lovely, and the dubbed version worked for me, but I haven't seen the subtitled version to compare it to.
    I admit the filmed dragged a bit for me in Act 3, on the last road trip from Tokyo to Suzume's hometown, and I didn't entirely understand the motivation of the cats throughout the movie. But I realize I'm probably missing some cultural understanding. It was still a great movie that made me cry a bit at the end.

    I saw some notes on That Website We Don't Link To that suggested it was originally intended to be a love story between two female characters, but executives shot the idea down. That could have been an interesting change.

    Character motivation spoilers. Don't read if you haven't seen this.
    GO AWAY WHAT ARE YOU DOING
    Smol cat (Daijin) wanted to be Suzume's cat because she released it from being a keystone then fed it, and wasn't actually opening any of the gates. It was leading Suzume to the gates so they could close them. Hence why it's going WOW every time she does. It also doesn't like Souta because it wants Suzume to itself. When she rejects it, it wilts and realises it can't get what it wants in its life outside of being a keystone, but it still likes Suzume, so it continues on with her and helps guide her to the door she's looking for at the end of the road trip. In the scene where she is pulling Souta out, Suzume says she is going to become the keystone instead. This is when smol cat realises it will NEVER get what it wants (it looks at her immediately when she says that in reaction), and it also doesn't want Suzume to become the keystone and lose her life, so it self sacrifices itself to help her pull Souta out and becomes the original keystone again. This is why it apologises. It's a smol cat, it doesn't really understand human society, it just liked Suzume in its own simple way.

    The other big black cat is the second Keystone they talked about. It failed to prevent the entire worm from escaping in Tokyo, but it is a good boy and follows along to help them. I assume it is a more negative keystone as there's a strong duality balance in most Japanese cultural stories involving this kind of sealing or pairs of things, hence why it influenced the aunt to say those things, but I don't think it's deliberately bad. It was the cat that rocked up outside Souta's grandfather's hospital window, when he told it that it wants to help. So it follows along to be the second keystone needed to seal the worm. As does smol cat.

    They're both gods (kami), neither really have standard human motivations.

    Interesting.

    Follow up questions; don't read if you haven't watched Suzume yet!
    I didn't realize it was the big cat who spoke to the grandfather. I did notice that the cats' coloring reverses when they assume their keystone forms. That makes sense in a yin/yang sense.

    So does it matter that keystones were used on the Worm in the Everafter? Is that how that is normally used, or does that represent a change in the system going forward? And is there a special reason why Suzume's gate is the only one people can physically enter? Is it just the implications of the devastation of the March 11th earthquake and tsunami?

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I ended up watching Suzume today as planned. It was quite lovely, and the dubbed version worked for me, but I haven't seen the subtitled version to compare it to.
    I admit the filmed dragged a bit for me in Act 3, on the last road trip from Tokyo to Suzume's hometown, and I didn't entirely understand the motivation of the cats throughout the movie. But I realize I'm probably missing some cultural understanding. It was still a great movie that made me cry a bit at the end.

    I saw some notes on That Website We Don't Link To that suggested it was originally intended to be a love story between two female characters, but executives shot the idea down. That could have been an interesting change.

    Character motivation spoilers. Don't read if you haven't seen this.
    GO AWAY WHAT ARE YOU DOING
    Smol cat (Daijin) wanted to be Suzume's cat because she released it from being a keystone then fed it, and wasn't actually opening any of the gates. It was leading Suzume to the gates so they could close them. Hence why it's going WOW every time she does. It also doesn't like Souta because it wants Suzume to itself. When she rejects it, it wilts and realises it can't get what it wants in its life outside of being a keystone, but it still likes Suzume, so it continues on with her and helps guide her to the door she's looking for at the end of the road trip. In the scene where she is pulling Souta out, Suzume says she is going to become the keystone instead. This is when smol cat realises it will NEVER get what it wants (it looks at her immediately when she says that in reaction), and it also doesn't want Suzume to become the keystone and lose her life, so it self sacrifices itself to help her pull Souta out and becomes the original keystone again. This is why it apologises. It's a smol cat, it doesn't really understand human society, it just liked Suzume in its own simple way.

    The other big black cat is the second Keystone they talked about. It failed to prevent the entire worm from escaping in Tokyo, but it is a good boy and follows along to help them. I assume it is a more negative keystone as there's a strong duality balance in most Japanese cultural stories involving this kind of sealing or pairs of things, hence why it influenced the aunt to say those things, but I don't think it's deliberately bad. It was the cat that rocked up outside Souta's grandfather's hospital window, when he told it that it wants to help. So it follows along to be the second keystone needed to seal the worm. As does smol cat.

    They're both gods (kami), neither really have standard human motivations.

    Interesting.

    Follow up questions; don't read if you haven't watched Suzume yet!
    I didn't realize it was the big cat who spoke to the grandfather. I did notice that the cats' coloring reverses when they assume their keystone forms. That makes sense in a yin/yang sense.

    So does it matter that keystones were used on the Worm in the Everafter? Is that how that is normally used, or does that represent a change in the system going forward? And is there a special reason why Suzume's gate is the only one people can physically enter? Is it just the implications of the devastation of the March 11th earthquake and tsunami?
    I don't think the movie really answers those questions, or at least I can't tell, but clearly Souta still has to close gates. The worm cannot be permanently sealed. I suspect it doesn't matter because Souta sealed the worm above Tokyo but ended up in the Ever-After. The keystone was probably outside the door she opened because the seal was weakening after so long. It seems to be a thing you have to constantly reinforce. The worm is a faceless mindless thing, a natural disaster that can't be stopped, only contained and managed. This is reflected I think in the earthquake warnings always rocking up in the movie. Japan has managed to create a massive mitigation strategy for earthquakes that responds faster than an earthquake itself, but they can't actually STOP earthquakes completely.

    As for why that door, I don't have any easily available reference to guess at the answer. I suspect it's symbolic and related to the disaster, which affected the country heavily. It probably makes mythic sense, as the worm probably does. As you can see from those warning messages, earthquakes are just part of their life and have been for their entire history.

    For all this I'm just making educated guesses. This is what I meant when I can only feel a shadow of what's going on. I suspect for anyone born there the movie would range from hitting on a visceral level, to being way too blunt about it. It kinda hits you on the nose with these references. But that's how this director works.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Additional G Witch
    “I changed my face to stay alive. There’s no way I’m dying in vain.”

    Is he referring to subbing in his doubles to use Pharact, or is he suggesting that like, even “Elan Ceres” is a fictitious identity to protect him from something in his past?

    Is the original Elan Ceres even Elan Ceres???

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    Additional G Witch
    “I changed my face to stay alive. There’s no way I’m dying in vain.”

    Is he referring to subbing in his doubles to use Pharact, or is he suggesting that like, even “Elan Ceres” is a fictitious identity to protect him from something in his past?

    Is the original Elan Ceres even Elan Ceres???

    G-Witch(Elan)
    Loverboy isn't the OG Elan, he's body double number 2, OG Elan was in a couple of episodes while he was being prepared then peaced out.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    This is also relevant as it's the director's feelings on the movie related to what we are talking about.

    https://apnews.com/article/suzume-anime-makato-shinkai-8bbf2ae1b1e60fee7db2ef4c05f80390

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    Additional G Witch
    “I changed my face to stay alive. There’s no way I’m dying in vain.”

    Is he referring to subbing in his doubles to use Pharact, or is he suggesting that like, even “Elan Ceres” is a fictitious identity to protect him from something in his past?

    Is the original Elan Ceres even Elan Ceres???

    G-Witch(Elan)
    Loverboy isn't the OG Elan, he's body double number 2, OG Elan was in a couple of episodes while he was being prepared then peaced out.
    technically we're on body double 5, the elan we met at the beginning was "Enhanced Person Number 4"

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I ended up watching Suzume today as planned. It was quite lovely, and the dubbed version worked for me, but I haven't seen the subtitled version to compare it to.
    I admit the filmed dragged a bit for me in Act 3, on the last road trip from Tokyo to Suzume's hometown, and I didn't entirely understand the motivation of the cats throughout the movie. But I realize I'm probably missing some cultural understanding. It was still a great movie that made me cry a bit at the end.

    I saw some notes on That Website We Don't Link To that suggested it was originally intended to be a love story between two female characters, but executives shot the idea down. That could have been an interesting change.

    Character motivation spoilers. Don't read if you haven't seen this.
    GO AWAY WHAT ARE YOU DOING
    Smol cat (Daijin) wanted to be Suzume's cat because she released it from being a keystone then fed it, and wasn't actually opening any of the gates. It was leading Suzume to the gates so they could close them. Hence why it's going WOW every time she does. It also doesn't like Souta because it wants Suzume to itself. When she rejects it, it wilts and realises it can't get what it wants in its life outside of being a keystone, but it still likes Suzume, so it continues on with her and helps guide her to the door she's looking for at the end of the road trip. In the scene where she is pulling Souta out, Suzume says she is going to become the keystone instead. This is when smol cat realises it will NEVER get what it wants (it looks at her immediately when she says that in reaction), and it also doesn't want Suzume to become the keystone and lose her life, so it self sacrifices itself to help her pull Souta out and becomes the original keystone again. This is why it apologises. It's a smol cat, it doesn't really understand human society, it just liked Suzume in its own simple way.

    The other big black cat is the second Keystone they talked about. It failed to prevent the entire worm from escaping in Tokyo, but it is a good boy and follows along to help them. I assume it is a more negative keystone as there's a strong duality balance in most Japanese cultural stories involving this kind of sealing or pairs of things, hence why it influenced the aunt to say those things, but I don't think it's deliberately bad. It was the cat that rocked up outside Souta's grandfather's hospital window, when he told it that it wants to help. So it follows along to be the second keystone needed to seal the worm. As does smol cat.

    They're both gods (kami), neither really have standard human motivations.

    Interesting.

    Follow up questions; don't read if you haven't watched Suzume yet!
    I didn't realize it was the big cat who spoke to the grandfather. I did notice that the cats' coloring reverses when they assume their keystone forms. That makes sense in a yin/yang sense.

    So does it matter that keystones were used on the Worm in the Everafter? Is that how that is normally used, or does that represent a change in the system going forward? And is there a special reason why Suzume's gate is the only one people can physically enter? Is it just the implications of the devastation of the March 11th earthquake and tsunami?
    I don't think the movie really answers those questions, or at least I can't tell, but clearly Souta still has to close gates. The worm cannot be permanently sealed. I suspect it doesn't matter because Souta sealed the worm above Tokyo but ended up in the Ever-After. The keystone was probably outside the door she opened because the seal was weakening after so long. It seems to be a thing you have to constantly reinforce. The worm is a faceless mindless thing, a natural disaster that can't be stopped, only contained and managed. This is reflected I think in the earthquake warnings always rocking up in the movie. Japan has managed to create a massive mitigation strategy for earthquakes that responds faster than an earthquake itself, but they can't actually STOP earthquakes completely.

    As for why that door, I don't have any easily available reference to guess at the answer. I suspect it's symbolic and related to the disaster, which affected the country heavily. It probably makes mythic sense, as the worm probably does. As you can see from those warning messages, earthquakes are just part of their life and have been for their entire history.

    For all this I'm just making educated guesses. This is what I meant when I can only feel a shadow of what's going on. I suspect for anyone born there the movie would range from hitting on a visceral level, to being way too blunt about it. It kinda hits you on the nose with these references. But that's how this director works.

    More Suzume stuff
    Souta's grandfather says that "there is only one door that you can enter to go to the Ever After." This isn't explained, but what I took from it is that I think this door would be different for every person, and is the source of near death experiences and folklore about "going to the other side" and so on. I don't think ANY person could go through that door, it is specifically HER door (although Souta does return through it, I suspect Closers may have ways of bending normal rules).

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    Additional G Witch
    “I changed my face to stay alive. There’s no way I’m dying in vain.”

    Is he referring to subbing in his doubles to use Pharact, or is he suggesting that like, even “Elan Ceres” is a fictitious identity to protect him from something in his past?

    Is the original Elan Ceres even Elan Ceres???
    So like, with this current Elan I had also previously been under the impression that he was the "real" Elan. With the latest episode I have changed my opinion and now think that much like the previous Elan he is also a test subject, just a much, much more successful one who therefore has been afforded far more privileges. I suspect there is no "real" Elan now.

    Anzekay on
  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I ended up watching Suzume today as planned. It was quite lovely, and the dubbed version worked for me, but I haven't seen the subtitled version to compare it to.
    I admit the filmed dragged a bit for me in Act 3, on the last road trip from Tokyo to Suzume's hometown, and I didn't entirely understand the motivation of the cats throughout the movie. But I realize I'm probably missing some cultural understanding. It was still a great movie that made me cry a bit at the end.

    I saw some notes on That Website We Don't Link To that suggested it was originally intended to be a love story between two female characters, but executives shot the idea down. That could have been an interesting change.

    Character motivation spoilers. Don't read if you haven't seen this.
    GO AWAY WHAT ARE YOU DOING
    Smol cat (Daijin) wanted to be Suzume's cat because she released it from being a keystone then fed it, and wasn't actually opening any of the gates. It was leading Suzume to the gates so they could close them. Hence why it's going WOW every time she does. It also doesn't like Souta because it wants Suzume to itself. When she rejects it, it wilts and realises it can't get what it wants in its life outside of being a keystone, but it still likes Suzume, so it continues on with her and helps guide her to the door she's looking for at the end of the road trip. In the scene where she is pulling Souta out, Suzume says she is going to become the keystone instead. This is when smol cat realises it will NEVER get what it wants (it looks at her immediately when she says that in reaction), and it also doesn't want Suzume to become the keystone and lose her life, so it self sacrifices itself to help her pull Souta out and becomes the original keystone again. This is why it apologises. It's a smol cat, it doesn't really understand human society, it just liked Suzume in its own simple way.

    The other big black cat is the second Keystone they talked about. It failed to prevent the entire worm from escaping in Tokyo, but it is a good boy and follows along to help them. I assume it is a more negative keystone as there's a strong duality balance in most Japanese cultural stories involving this kind of sealing or pairs of things, hence why it influenced the aunt to say those things, but I don't think it's deliberately bad. It was the cat that rocked up outside Souta's grandfather's hospital window, when he told it that it wants to help. So it follows along to be the second keystone needed to seal the worm. As does smol cat.

    They're both gods (kami), neither really have standard human motivations.

    Interesting.

    Follow up questions; don't read if you haven't watched Suzume yet!
    I didn't realize it was the big cat who spoke to the grandfather. I did notice that the cats' coloring reverses when they assume their keystone forms. That makes sense in a yin/yang sense.

    So does it matter that keystones were used on the Worm in the Everafter? Is that how that is normally used, or does that represent a change in the system going forward? And is there a special reason why Suzume's gate is the only one people can physically enter? Is it just the implications of the devastation of the March 11th earthquake and tsunami?
    I don't think the movie really answers those questions, or at least I can't tell, but clearly Souta still has to close gates. The worm cannot be permanently sealed. I suspect it doesn't matter because Souta sealed the worm above Tokyo but ended up in the Ever-After. The keystone was probably outside the door she opened because the seal was weakening after so long. It seems to be a thing you have to constantly reinforce. The worm is a faceless mindless thing, a natural disaster that can't be stopped, only contained and managed. This is reflected I think in the earthquake warnings always rocking up in the movie. Japan has managed to create a massive mitigation strategy for earthquakes that responds faster than an earthquake itself, but they can't actually STOP earthquakes completely.

    As for why that door, I don't have any easily available reference to guess at the answer. I suspect it's symbolic and related to the disaster, which affected the country heavily. It probably makes mythic sense, as the worm probably does. As you can see from those warning messages, earthquakes are just part of their life and have been for their entire history.

    For all this I'm just making educated guesses. This is what I meant when I can only feel a shadow of what's going on. I suspect for anyone born there the movie would range from hitting on a visceral level, to being way too blunt about it. It kinda hits you on the nose with these references. But that's how this director works.

    More Suzume stuff
    Souta's grandfather says that "there is only one door that you can enter to go to the Ever After." This isn't explained, but what I took from it is that I think this door would be different for every person, and is the source of near death experiences and folklore about "going to the other side" and so on. I don't think ANY person could go through that door, it is specifically HER door (although Souta does return through it, I suspect Closers may have ways of bending normal rules).
    That makes sense, but I don't think it was made super clear. Maybe the wording is clearer in the original japanese.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Gundi wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Additional G Witch
    “I changed my face to stay alive. There’s no way I’m dying in vain.”

    Is he referring to subbing in his doubles to use Pharact, or is he suggesting that like, even “Elan Ceres” is a fictitious identity to protect him from something in his past?

    Is the original Elan Ceres even Elan Ceres???
    So like, with this current Elan I had also previously been under the impression that he was the "real" Elan. With the latest episode I have changed my opinion and now think that much like the previous Elan he is also a test subject, just a much, much more successful one who therefore has been afforded far more privileges. I suspect there is no "real" Elan now.
    Yeah this was my impression too; that this was the Elan that appeared and was mocking Four back at the lab, but now that Four’s been executed he has to step into the role he filled (and is doing so badly)

    So I guess if we’re numbering them I thought this was Elan 1


    I think I’m with you on the idea that there is no “original” Elan Ceres, and that they’re all basically test subjects for Permet research (it should be noted too “Enhanced Person” is the term for anyone with Permet augmentation/infusion; so Sophie and Norea would be Enhanced Persons too, as would Eri and the other, now gone, Vanadis pilots), with varying degrees of value (presumably 1 is the largest success, and the subsequent Elans are trying to replicate it?)

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