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But our character named Kira hates killing and violence! We're deeeeep we tell you! Deeeeeep!
Now here's some reused animation, and an opening filled with gratious female nudity.
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Anyways, my whole spiel was that in order for Suletta to properly grasp the protagonist role, and to develop as a character, she would need to be separated from Aerial, if not lose Aerial entirely.
Naturally tonight's episode proves all my big dumb questions wrong, as indeed, Suletta's extreme lack of control or agency in any given situation was the point hell, Suletta literally says in the episode that it was always like that, that she actually had nothing. And now she's a blank slate, free to finally go on that terrible, terrible Gundam/Utena protagonist's journey.
Minor Demon Slayer comment.
The author did a really, REALLY good job at portraying how incredibly bullshit the Upper 5 rank demons are, and it is incredibly believable that Hashira after Hashira got mowed down by them for a hundred odd years. It's not that they have the biggest hugest powerlevel, it's that good lord their powers are so nonsensical and obtuse(in a good way!) that by the time you figure it out, even you're already technically "stronger" then them, you're dead. So far we've had karate man who chose to become a demon in his prime so he could literally master martial arts forever(while not original, gives a nice cap to his ability since he uses just hand to hand technique, while being utterly bullshit cause lol demon), A killer Geisha who has her shut in brother who's the actual upper rank living inside of her making them literally immortal if A. He never came out, or B. He came out at the start, or C. they just....lived in two seperate places(While making sense that they don't since if they weren't so incredibly co-dependent they never would have become that kind of demon.), Art dude who's true bullshittery has yet to be revealed, and Coward dude who literally becomes three top tier demons who are immortal unless you figure out that to kill them you need to do the most annoying game of wackamole ever.
Fun cast of characters overall.
Can't wait till totally not Tanjiro's ancestor who failed his mission by getting old and became a demon due to depression gets to fight.
Not a spoiler, just big on Desktop:
And they are pleased with their creations.
It's a good show! It's just also very bleak and depressing, and it fumbles communicating things sometimes (for instance, it really could have stood to spell out what an awful thing it would have been if McGillis had won.)
Which I think in turn influences why people don't talk about it that much, the ending is incredibly bittersweet. (and a lot of the sweet, you sorry of have to take the author's word that no, the authoritarian government is totally on the way to reforming).
The ending in general I think soured a lot of people
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It works really well. I do think it could use a teeeeeeny bit more subtlety, but I can't deny that it's very effective. It's a good show.
*simple is not the same as stupid.
**by this I mean it's very clearly drawing a thick outline around everything so you can see exactly what everything is***
***neither of the above are bad things
also WfM doesn't have GIANT SPACE SCISSORS
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so since I finished ZZ, I've hence moved over to victory and just reached the mid-season gundam upgrade
various spoilery thoughts
why are these monster truck wheels able to fly in space (I assume minovsky drives, but the show has literally not used that as an in-universe explanation once and I only know about it from model kit details)
why is crazy lady bathing nude with uso (who is 11, mind you) as an interrogation tactic
show, why. why do this. you were doing so much better than ZZ was and now we get this crap
I'll be honest, I don't even know about any of the author's comments except when they mentioned that
IBO ending
While it's nice that the protagonists got what they were hoping to bring to Mars in the end (at great personal cost), it feels like such tonal whiplash in the moment of watching it
fuck Iok though that dude deserved a thousand deaths
Yeah RE: the first thing
But also I think whether he's a reformer or not is irrelevant. The ending is all about what happens with Mars, not about the system as a whole.
100% agreed on the last point lol
Honestly I didn't watch IBO, because I watched two episodes and it completely failed to grab me so I moved on, but all three of the people in my circle that regularly watch Gundam stuff and DID watch it are on a spectrum that goes from "thinking it's pretty mid first season, and pretty bad second season", to "straight up hating it", so, generally, if this is extrapolable, I don't feel it landed exactly great with a lot of people even before the ending?
Meanwhile those same people are basically vibrating with anticipation in our discord each Suletta Sunday.
To memory last time were discussed this @lanz had some really good takes on things
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While I like IBO a whole lot, WfM is a vastly more coherent and interesting show, while also being a lot less bleak.
Mika is... Well, he'd be a flat out villain in most shows. He's kinda hard to root for. Actually he's very hard to root for, he's a sociopath. Interesting character, but not an interesting protagonist is the difference makes sense
I'd kinda love an IBO that did more with the Gundams vs Mobile armors thing (hell, give me a sequel series where suddenly mass MAs wake up, and everyone's scrambling to rouse the Gundams and restore the ones that were wrecked in the first series)
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Having watched the OG, Z, ZZ, 08th MS, some of Wing, and WFM, most of them are disappointing and spin their wheels way too much.
Since the only good ones are 08th and WFM, the takeaway is to keep it short.
But then many AU Gundams (most notably Seed) seem to feel bound by the original series or even sometimes each other -- for example 00 feels like a remake of Wing in the same way Seed is a remake of 0079, and then Turn A is simultaneously liberated from and bound by every single Gundam before it
So (as far as I can tell, haven't watched any of it yet) WfM seems to be hitting the sweet spot on being accessible without any prior lore knowledge, and thematically concrete on its own merits, while also generally respecting what came before in a way that doesn't anger the kind of nerds who require their own preconceived notions of what the franchise is
Lots of bad stuff in Gundam. And Victory is commonly considered to be one of the worst things in the franchise. IIRC even Tomino himself is like "do not watch Victory Gundam, it is terrible".
edit: look. I suffered through brain powerd and king gainer
I can handle a little victory gundam, as a treat punishment
Yes, once again we're Running In The 90s.
More impressive to me are the little things like drone cameras, which show some thought in how this evolution would work.
Bikini suicide squad.
(I have never watched Victory, but I'm aware of that part and uh, boy, some fucking choices were made there)
One of the other things though on the WfM front is that by putting corporate dickery front and centre, it's a lot more grokkable to today's audience than "war is hell".
War is pretty distant for most of us these days. But corporate shit fuckery? Oh boy do we know about that.
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Elsewhere, Vinland Saga 2 is killing it. Great adapation. I'll usually prefer the version I first experienced, and the book is a favorite of mine. But they're covering this section great. I like it better then the first season, where there were some small changes that irked me, but it was also still good. I can't even remember what they were at the time.
Fingers crossed Dungeon Meshi gets as well adapated as either CSM or Vinland Saga.
Speaking of CSM, revisiting the later arcs... I'm not sure I'm excited for the anime adaptations of the later arcs, because one particular chapter is such a giant, chaotic mess of characters, that I have no idea how the anime could possible tackle it, and I don't envy the poor director who gets tasked with it.