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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Watched witch from mercury 18
    boy everyone suletta cares about is convinced the best thing to do for her is fucking gaslight her huh? I want chuchu to punch out prospera, miorine and fucking aerial, do it, punch out a gundam chuchu!
    I think it is doing a good job showing how the people who aren't even around -- and that she cares about -- don't see how much she's clearly hurting from it all, meanwhile her Earthian house friends are all really concerned for her cause they can see it looks like very much a happy facade.
    I'm sure the Miorine shippers are gonna hate me for this, but you know what? Suletta can do better than that bitch.
    I am definitely hoping Miorine figures out that she has to be honest with Suletta and treat her as an equal partner rather than trying to one-sidedly protect her by bargaining with her abusive mom.

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  • CururuCururu Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    WfM thoughts:
    I think I may be in the minority, but Witch from Mercury is starting to lose me a bit. That's not to say the show is bad, far from it, but this half of the series has very strong "Every Surprise Birthday party episode in kids television" energy, where the drama is fueled by bad communication from people who think they are helping by deceiving, and I really don't like those plots. I just wish the school plot had been the whole series. The drama with the Earth/Space war and the corporate game of thrones could be saved for a sequel.

    Edit: Gonna spoiler that just in case.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Watched witch from mercury 18
    boy everyone suletta cares about is convinced the best thing to do for her is fucking gaslight her huh? I want chuchu to punch out prospera, miorine and fucking aerial, do it, punch out a gundam chuchu!
    I think it is doing a good job showing how the people who aren't even around -- and that she cares about -- don't see how much she's clearly hurting from it all, meanwhile her Earthian house friends are all really concerned for her cause they can see it looks like very much a happy facade.
    I'm sure the Miorine shippers are gonna hate me for this, but you know what? Suletta can do better than that bitch.
    I am definitely hoping Miorine figures out that she has to be honest with Suletta and treat her as an equal partner rather than trying to one-sidedly protect her by bargaining with her abusive mom.

    (Still WfM)
    I have a lower opinion on the show's writing than most here, especially about Suletta, Miorine, Guel, and the thing that gets me about everybody gaslighting and abusing Suletta for this arc is that I cannot see Suletta actually maturing and telling them off or otherwise in any way acting as her own person. From the start, that's the big thing that has annoyed me about her. The writing has made her flat out incapable of it. All I can see happening given the way that everything has gone so far is that she'll try harder harder, be even more self-sacrificial for these abusive assholes, which will make them all realize what a super special girl she is, somehow resolving everything. And that already irritates me.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Watched witch from mercury 18
    boy everyone suletta cares about is convinced the best thing to do for her is fucking gaslight her huh? I want chuchu to punch out prospera, miorine and fucking aerial, do it, punch out a gundam chuchu!
    I think it is doing a good job showing how the people who aren't even around -- and that she cares about -- don't see how much she's clearly hurting from it all, meanwhile her Earthian house friends are all really concerned for her cause they can see it looks like very much a happy facade.
    I'm sure the Miorine shippers are gonna hate me for this, but you know what? Suletta can do better than that bitch.
    I am definitely hoping Miorine figures out that she has to be honest with Suletta and treat her as an equal partner rather than trying to one-sidedly protect her by bargaining with her abusive mom.

    (Still WfM)
    I have a lower opinion on the show's writing than most here, especially about Suletta, Miorine, Guel, and the thing that gets me about everybody gaslighting and abusing Suletta for this arc is that I cannot see Suletta actually maturing and telling them off or otherwise in any way acting as her own person. From the start, that's the big thing that has annoyed me about her. The writing has made her flat out incapable of it. All I can see happening given the way that everything has gone so far is that she'll try harder harder, be even more self-sacrificial for these abusive assholes, which will make them all realize what a super special girl she is, somehow resolving everything. And that already irritates me.
    It will never happen, but the most mature thing she could do would be to give both Prospera and Miorine the finger and run away to Mercury with ChuChu so they can raise goats together or something.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    I like UC Gundam a lot, but I feel like it suffers a similar trap that Star Trek does, where the people in charge of creative would rather revisit old stuff like yet another One Year War side story than actually move the timeline forward, and then when they do move the timeline forward it's a total gamble on how good it's actually gonna be because of the sheer inertial mass of lore that has to go into every single decision

    But then many AU Gundams (most notably Seed) seem to feel bound by the original series or even sometimes each other -- for example 00 feels like a remake of Wing in the same way Seed is a remake of 0079, and then Turn A is simultaneously liberated from and bound by every single Gundam before it

    So (as far as I can tell, haven't watched any of it yet) WfM seems to be hitting the sweet spot on being accessible without any prior lore knowledge, and thematically concrete on its own merits, while also generally respecting what came before in a way that doesn't anger the kind of nerds who require their own preconceived notions of what the franchise is

    F91 starts to feel pretty disconnected from previous UC lore, and then by Victory there's almost nothing relevant remaining. All the old players are dead, and even the political entities have completely turned over or exist only in a diminished state. At least from what I've seen so far, I'm only maybe a third of the way in. It's a messy show but it's messy in a way I've come to expect from Gundam, and when it hits I think it's really interesting

    I'm really curious if this UC Next 100 thing pans out and we actually do get a post-Victory show

    fair point, I was especially thinking of Unicorn wrt the baggage of prior UC stuff, because I know a lot of people who have tried to start there and utterly bounce off it - meanwhile I started there and ended up watching everything through ZZ by the time the third episode released

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  • akajaybayakajaybay Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Also one big benefit the CSM manga had with me was being able to take in that whole Part One arc in a relatively short amount of time. Read that whole thing over the course of a long weekend sitting around vacation. People with expectations of getting to see all that turned into an anime, just getting the first third of it and then sitting on it a while is not going to hit as strong.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    akajaybay wrote: »
    Also one big benefit the CSM manga had with me was being able to take in that whole Part One arc in a relatively short amount of time. Read that whole thing over the course of a long weekend sitting around vacation. People with expectations of getting to see all that turned into an anime, just getting the first third of it and then sitting on it a while is not going to hit as strong.

    I imagine the next part would just cover the
    Reze arc
    , though I guess it could also lead into the
    international stuff
    as the stinger.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    What can we do with the power of love?
    Megazone 23!


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    Violence! Impact! Destroy! Energy!


    I finally finished the ADV/AnimEigo KS set of the three movies(kind of four, III is a two-parter), and I'd rank them 1 > 3 >>> 2.

    I loathe the artstyle of 2, and I can't even believe these are the same people:

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    Still, the whole series is a fun ride, especially 1 for its high octane 80s antics and 3 for going full Bubblegum Crisis cyberpunk.

    And the OST is nothing short of incredible:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CExJRJr3WLc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYLj7bm0unA

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Man, new chapter of Dandadan goes hard
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  • DrezDrez I’m exactly the same in real life Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    On a lighter note:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJaRegMCbNQ

    (Initial D sequel in 2023)

    Clearly they did their homework on the music.

    I've never seen Initial D. Is it any good if you're not a car or racing enthusiast, or is it really made for them?

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Drez wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    On a lighter note:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJaRegMCbNQ

    (Initial D sequel in 2023)

    Clearly they did their homework on the music.

    I've never seen Initial D. Is it any good if you're not a car or racing enthusiast, or is it really made for them?

    It's a fantastic series across the board, as long as it's the original(and you don't mind it losing steam at the Project D arc).

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Cururu wrote: »
    WfM thoughts:
    I think I may be in the minority, but Witch from Mercury is starting to lose me a bit. That's not to say the show is bad, far from it, but this half of the series has very strong "Every Surprise Birthday party episode in kids television" energy, where the drama is fueled by bad communication from people who think they are helping by deceiving, and I really don't like those plots. I just wish the school plot had been the whole series. The drama with the Earth/Space war and the corporate game of thrones could be saved for a sequel.

    Edit: Gonna spoiler that just in case.

    yeah, I agree with this, esp after eps 17/18.
    I am starting to get nervous about where things go from here. show's good though so I don't want them to botch it

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Personally I can’t wait for the movie, The Witch from Mercury: Suletta Apocaletta
    the exciting climax where Suletta falls into a nightmarish and baroque recreation of Plant Quetta and does this but with Aerial

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Man, new chapter of Dandadan goes hard
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    The last request of the Serpo was for Momo to do him a solid and delete his hard drive.

    Also don't look in the folder marked "Boring Tax Stuff" when you're doing it.

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »

    I loathe the artstyle of 2, and I can't even believe these are the same people:

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    Oh my god, I've never watched this (I own it, I'll get to it...) but I was immediately able to clock that character on the right was animated by Yasuomi Umetsu just by looking at her clothes!!
    (The guy really likes to draw in creeses and other little details in character's clothes. He's kind of infamous for directing Kite but his list of credits is enormous)

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    Personally I can’t wait for the movie, The Witch from Mercury: Suletta Apocaletta

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    akajaybay wrote: »
    In terms of CSM, I'd say the book was better but the show has been real good so far. Better then I'd have expected at maintaining the tone.

    Elsewhere, Vinland Saga 2 is killing it. Great adapation. I'll usually prefer the version I first experienced, and the book is a favorite of mine. But they're covering this section great. I like it better then the first season, where there were some small changes that irked me, but it was also still good. I can't even remember what they were at the time.

    Fingers crossed Dungeon Meshi gets as well adapated as either CSM or Vinland Saga.

    Speaking of CSM, revisiting the later arcs... I'm not sure I'm excited for the anime adaptations of the later arcs, because one particular chapter is such a giant, chaotic mess of characters, that I have no idea how the anime could possible tackle it, and I don't envy the poor director who gets tasked with it.
    I love the Reze arc and the endgame against the final boss of Part 1, but the international assassin arc is a gigantic clusterf, especially with the chaos around Santa and the Darkness Devil. The Gun and Bomb stuff, though? A+.
    International Assassins has the trip to hell though, which is one of the most iconic scenes. The old man not really being Santa was kind of confusing, but Quanxi does the heavy lifting as a character that arc, and she's definitely distinctive.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    akajaybay wrote: »
    In terms of CSM, I'd say the book was better but the show has been real good so far. Better then I'd have expected at maintaining the tone.

    Elsewhere, Vinland Saga 2 is killing it. Great adapation. I'll usually prefer the version I first experienced, and the book is a favorite of mine. But they're covering this section great. I like it better then the first season, where there were some small changes that irked me, but it was also still good. I can't even remember what they were at the time.

    Fingers crossed Dungeon Meshi gets as well adapated as either CSM or Vinland Saga.

    Speaking of CSM, revisiting the later arcs... I'm not sure I'm excited for the anime adaptations of the later arcs, because one particular chapter is such a giant, chaotic mess of characters, that I have no idea how the anime could possible tackle it, and I don't envy the poor director who gets tasked with it.
    I love the Reze arc and the endgame against the final boss of Part 1, but the international assassin arc is a gigantic clusterf, especially with the chaos around Santa and the Darkness Devil. The Gun and Bomb stuff, though? A+.
    International Assassins has the trip to hell though, which is one of the most iconic scenes. The old man not really being Santa was kind of confusing, but Quanxi does the heavy lifting as a character that arc, and she's definitely distinctive.

    (CSM Part 1 manga stuff)
    It's iconic, sure, but it's just... insane. It's not bad, not good, just... a lot. I'm not even sure it really meant much, since the Darkness Devil has no personality, it's just a force of nature that doesn't really impact the plot at all. You could take it completely out of the equation, and all that matters is that it took some limbs and offed a lot of major(and minor) players. I guess the only other relevance is showing more of Makima's abilities, and for once, her being out of her element.

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  • CururuCururu Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Cururu wrote: »
    WfM thoughts:
    I think I may be in the minority, but Witch from Mercury is starting to lose me a bit. That's not to say the show is bad, far from it, but this half of the series has very strong "Every Surprise Birthday party episode in kids television" energy, where the drama is fueled by bad communication from people who think they are helping by deceiving, and I really don't like those plots. I just wish the school plot had been the whole series. The drama with the Earth/Space war and the corporate game of thrones could be saved for a sequel.

    Edit: Gonna spoiler that just in case.

    yeah, I agree with this, esp after eps 17/18.
    I am starting to get nervous about where things go from here. show's good though so I don't want them to botch it

    At this point, given the show's trajectory, I suspect the end will be something like (extremely cynical take follows):
    Aerial, powered by Quiet Zero, will be the final "boss" of the series, and will have to be destroyed by Suletta for some contrived reason, probably piloting that gundam that Guel is developing. However, Suletta will push the permit score too far and also die in the process. Prospera will either die because she was "piloting" Aerial at the time, or will get taken out afterwards, either by her own hands or by the Group. Miorine will blame herself for all of this, and will withdraw into a bitter, emotionless corporate overlord, thus becoming just like her father in the end.

    Basically, unless you are G Gundam (or the Build series, I guess), you don't generally get to have a happy ending in these shows, so I would not be shocked if some or all of that happened.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Watched witch from mercury 18
    boy everyone suletta cares about is convinced the best thing to do for her is fucking gaslight her huh? I want chuchu to punch out prospera, miorine and fucking aerial, do it, punch out a gundam chuchu!
    I think it is doing a good job showing how the people who aren't even around -- and that she cares about -- don't see how much she's clearly hurting from it all, meanwhile her Earthian house friends are all really concerned for her cause they can see it looks like very much a happy facade.
    I'm sure the Miorine shippers are gonna hate me for this, but you know what? Suletta can do better than that bitch.
    I am definitely hoping Miorine figures out that she has to be honest with Suletta and treat her as an equal partner rather than trying to one-sidedly protect her by bargaining with her abusive mom.

    (Still WfM)
    I have a lower opinion on the show's writing than most here, especially about Suletta, Miorine, Guel, and the thing that gets me about everybody gaslighting and abusing Suletta for this arc is that I cannot see Suletta actually maturing and telling them off or otherwise in any way acting as her own person. From the start, that's the big thing that has annoyed me about her. The writing has made her flat out incapable of it. All I can see happening given the way that everything has gone so far is that she'll try harder harder, be even more self-sacrificial for these abusive assholes, which will make them all realize what a super special girl she is, somehow resolving everything. And that already irritates me.
    I don't anticipate it going that way, if it does I will be similarly not impressed with the writing.

    Cururu wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Cururu wrote: »
    WfM thoughts:
    I think I may be in the minority, but Witch from Mercury is starting to lose me a bit. That's not to say the show is bad, far from it, but this half of the series has very strong "Every Surprise Birthday party episode in kids television" energy, where the drama is fueled by bad communication from people who think they are helping by deceiving, and I really don't like those plots. I just wish the school plot had been the whole series. The drama with the Earth/Space war and the corporate game of thrones could be saved for a sequel.

    Edit: Gonna spoiler that just in case.

    yeah, I agree with this, esp after eps 17/18.
    I am starting to get nervous about where things go from here. show's good though so I don't want them to botch it

    At this point, given the show's trajectory, I suspect the end will be something like (extremely cynical take follows):
    Aerial, powered by Quiet Zero, will be the final "boss" of the series, and will have to be destroyed by Suletta for some contrived reason, probably piloting that gundam that Guel is developing. However, Suletta will push the permit score too far and also die in the process. Prospera will either die because she was "piloting" Aerial at the time, or will get taken out afterwards, either by her own hands or by the Group. Miorine will blame herself for all of this, and will withdraw into a bitter, emotionless corporate overlord, thus becoming just like her father in the end.

    Basically, unless you are G Gundam (or the Build series, I guess), you don't generally get to have a happy ending in these shows, so I would not be shocked if some or all of that happened.
    I read this as following more of an Utena trajectory than a normal Gundam one

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
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  • CururuCururu Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
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    The traditional free square in the middle being that is kind of depressing, but I can't really argue with it being practically a given at this point.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Watched witch from mercury 18
    boy everyone suletta cares about is convinced the best thing to do for her is fucking gaslight her huh? I want chuchu to punch out prospera, miorine and fucking aerial, do it, punch out a gundam chuchu!
    I think it is doing a good job showing how the people who aren't even around -- and that she cares about -- don't see how much she's clearly hurting from it all, meanwhile her Earthian house friends are all really concerned for her cause they can see it looks like very much a happy facade.
    I'm sure the Miorine shippers are gonna hate me for this, but you know what? Suletta can do better than that bitch.
    I am definitely hoping Miorine figures out that she has to be honest with Suletta and treat her as an equal partner rather than trying to one-sidedly protect her by bargaining with her abusive mom.

    (Still WfM)
    I have a lower opinion on the show's writing than most here, especially about Suletta, Miorine, Guel, and the thing that gets me about everybody gaslighting and abusing Suletta for this arc is that I cannot see Suletta actually maturing and telling them off or otherwise in any way acting as her own person. From the start, that's the big thing that has annoyed me about her. The writing has made her flat out incapable of it. All I can see happening given the way that everything has gone so far is that she'll try harder harder, be even more self-sacrificial for these abusive assholes, which will make them all realize what a super special girl she is, somehow resolving everything. And that already irritates me.
    I don't anticipate it going that way, if it does I will be similarly not impressed with the writing.

    Cururu wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Cururu wrote: »
    WfM thoughts:
    I think I may be in the minority, but Witch from Mercury is starting to lose me a bit. That's not to say the show is bad, far from it, but this half of the series has very strong "Every Surprise Birthday party episode in kids television" energy, where the drama is fueled by bad communication from people who think they are helping by deceiving, and I really don't like those plots. I just wish the school plot had been the whole series. The drama with the Earth/Space war and the corporate game of thrones could be saved for a sequel.

    Edit: Gonna spoiler that just in case.

    yeah, I agree with this, esp after eps 17/18.
    I am starting to get nervous about where things go from here. show's good though so I don't want them to botch it

    At this point, given the show's trajectory, I suspect the end will be something like (extremely cynical take follows):
    Aerial, powered by Quiet Zero, will be the final "boss" of the series, and will have to be destroyed by Suletta for some contrived reason, probably piloting that gundam that Guel is developing. However, Suletta will push the permit score too far and also die in the process. Prospera will either die because she was "piloting" Aerial at the time, or will get taken out afterwards, either by her own hands or by the Group. Miorine will blame herself for all of this, and will withdraw into a bitter, emotionless corporate overlord, thus becoming just like her father in the end.

    Basically, unless you are G Gundam (or the Build series, I guess), you don't generally get to have a happy ending in these shows, so I would not be shocked if some or all of that happened.
    I read this as following more of an Utena trajectory than a normal Gundam one

    I’m confused because a normal Gundam trajectory typically isnt that crushingly dark, particularly for the protagonists

    The darkest ones I can think of are like,
    Zeta where Kamille basically mind whammies himself with the psychic force of taking down Scirocco (which he eventually recovers from) or the bitter parts of IBO’s bitter sweet end with Orga dying before the finale and Mika and Akihiro dying to buy the rest of Tekkadan time to escape and diffuse into the rest of society.

    Or 0080.

    Most Gundam protagonists dont end up with grim, bitter endings.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    akajaybay wrote: »
    In terms of CSM, I'd say the book was better but the show has been real good so far. Better then I'd have expected at maintaining the tone.

    Elsewhere, Vinland Saga 2 is killing it. Great adapation. I'll usually prefer the version I first experienced, and the book is a favorite of mine. But they're covering this section great. I like it better then the first season, where there were some small changes that irked me, but it was also still good. I can't even remember what they were at the time.

    Fingers crossed Dungeon Meshi gets as well adapated as either CSM or Vinland Saga.

    Speaking of CSM, revisiting the later arcs... I'm not sure I'm excited for the anime adaptations of the later arcs, because one particular chapter is such a giant, chaotic mess of characters, that I have no idea how the anime could possible tackle it, and I don't envy the poor director who gets tasked with it.
    I love the Reze arc and the endgame against the final boss of Part 1, but the international assassin arc is a gigantic clusterf, especially with the chaos around Santa and the Darkness Devil. The Gun and Bomb stuff, though? A+.
    International Assassins has the trip to hell though, which is one of the most iconic scenes. The old man not really being Santa was kind of confusing, but Quanxi does the heavy lifting as a character that arc, and she's definitely distinctive.

    (CSM Part 1 manga stuff)
    It's iconic, sure, but it's just... insane. It's not bad, not good, just... a lot. I'm not even sure it really meant much, since the Darkness Devil has no personality, it's just a force of nature that doesn't really impact the plot at all. You could take it completely out of the equation, and all that matters is that it took some limbs and offed a lot of major(and minor) players. I guess the only other relevance is showing more of Makima's abilities, and for once, her being out of her element.

    CSM Part 1
    It introduced the concept of primal devils, who basically are forces of nature.

    The real santa claus also sent her helper to hell to make the bargain with darkness devil in exchange for power.

    Each story arc builds to insanity, so when the ended up in hell when I was reading it, my reaction was "oh yeah, I was wondering when things would stop being normal."

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Discussing Suletta's orbit.(WFM 18)
    I'm going to defend the gaslighting.

    I'm kidding there's no reason to do this to the poor girl, but I do want to restate where Prospera/Miorine/Aerial are coming from.

    This is not some minor "cutting out" for obscure reasons. Prospera made her intent known.

    A LOT OF FUCKING PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET MURDERED BY AERIAL AND PROSPERA.

    It's safe to assume Prospera's goal is the dismantling and destruction of the entire corpo entity that is governing both Earth and Space. It is going to be fucked.

    Miorine knows Prospera is fucked, and has literally brainwashed her cloned child. There is no progress that can be made as long as Suletta is within proximity of her mother.

    Aerial does not want to turn her sister as a party to mass murder, she feels she deserves better. Which she does.

    Now, gaslighting her to burn that bridge as hard as possible? Terrible, they are all monsters for it.

    But keep in mind the ACTUAL discussion on why they don't want Suletta to not be around them any more is, "Hey, we're about to do a WHOLE LOT OF MURDER and we don't want you apart of that stay at school okay?"

    There's a 90% chance that the truth won't work on Suletta and she would smile and say she won't abandon her family.

    It's not exactly one of the easiest situations to explain to a teenage brainwashed clone child girl.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Watched witch from mercury 18
    boy everyone suletta cares about is convinced the best thing to do for her is fucking gaslight her huh? I want chuchu to punch out prospera, miorine and fucking aerial, do it, punch out a gundam chuchu!
    I think it is doing a good job showing how the people who aren't even around -- and that she cares about -- don't see how much she's clearly hurting from it all, meanwhile her Earthian house friends are all really concerned for her cause they can see it looks like very much a happy facade.
    I'm sure the Miorine shippers are gonna hate me for this, but you know what? Suletta can do better than that bitch.
    I am definitely hoping Miorine figures out that she has to be honest with Suletta and treat her as an equal partner rather than trying to one-sidedly protect her by bargaining with her abusive mom.

    (Still WfM)
    I have a lower opinion on the show's writing than most here, especially about Suletta, Miorine, Guel, and the thing that gets me about everybody gaslighting and abusing Suletta for this arc is that I cannot see Suletta actually maturing and telling them off or otherwise in any way acting as her own person. From the start, that's the big thing that has annoyed me about her. The writing has made her flat out incapable of it. All I can see happening given the way that everything has gone so far is that she'll try harder harder, be even more self-sacrificial for these abusive assholes, which will make them all realize what a super special girl she is, somehow resolving everything. And that already irritates me.
    I don't anticipate it going that way, if it does I will be similarly not impressed with the writing.

    Cururu wrote: »
    Naphtali wrote: »
    Cururu wrote: »
    WfM thoughts:
    I think I may be in the minority, but Witch from Mercury is starting to lose me a bit. That's not to say the show is bad, far from it, but this half of the series has very strong "Every Surprise Birthday party episode in kids television" energy, where the drama is fueled by bad communication from people who think they are helping by deceiving, and I really don't like those plots. I just wish the school plot had been the whole series. The drama with the Earth/Space war and the corporate game of thrones could be saved for a sequel.

    Edit: Gonna spoiler that just in case.

    yeah, I agree with this, esp after eps 17/18.
    I am starting to get nervous about where things go from here. show's good though so I don't want them to botch it

    At this point, given the show's trajectory, I suspect the end will be something like (extremely cynical take follows):
    Aerial, powered by Quiet Zero, will be the final "boss" of the series, and will have to be destroyed by Suletta for some contrived reason, probably piloting that gundam that Guel is developing. However, Suletta will push the permit score too far and also die in the process. Prospera will either die because she was "piloting" Aerial at the time, or will get taken out afterwards, either by her own hands or by the Group. Miorine will blame herself for all of this, and will withdraw into a bitter, emotionless corporate overlord, thus becoming just like her father in the end.

    Basically, unless you are G Gundam (or the Build series, I guess), you don't generally get to have a happy ending in these shows, so I would not be shocked if some or all of that happened.
    I read this as following more of an Utena trajectory than a normal Gundam one

    I’m confused because a normal Gundam trajectory typically isnt that crushingly dark, particularly for the protagonists

    The darkest ones I can think of are like,
    Zeta where Kamille basically mind whammies himself with the psychic force of taking down Scirocco (which he eventually recovers from) or the bitter parts of IBO’s bitter sweet end with Orga dying before the finale and Mika and Akihiro dying to buy the rest of Tekkadan time to escape and diffuse into the rest of society.

    Or 0080.

    Most Gundam protagonists dont end up with grim, bitter endings.

    Yeah, usually the protags make it out pretty okay, if not well. IBO is an abberation and even then
    went down swinging, ensuring his wives and child lived in in a better, brighter future
    is a pretty good end.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Discussing Suletta's orbit.(WFM 18)
    I'm going to defend the gaslighting.

    I'm kidding there's no reason to do this to the poor girl, but I do want to restate where Prospera/Miorine/Aerial are coming from.

    This is not some minor "cutting out" for obscure reasons. Prospera made her intent known.

    A LOT OF FUCKING PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET MURDERED BY AERIAL AND PROSPERA.

    It's safe to assume Prospera's goal is the dismantling and destruction of the entire corpo entity that is governing both Earth and Space. It is going to be fucked.

    Miorine knows Prospera is fucked, and has literally brainwashed her cloned child. There is no progress that can be made as long as Suletta is within proximity of her mother.

    Aerial does not want to turn her sister as a party to mass murder, she feels she deserves better. Which she does.

    Now, gaslighting her to burn that bridge as hard as possible? Terrible, they are all monsters for it.

    But keep in mind the ACTUAL discussion on why they don't want Suletta to not be around them any more is, "Hey, we're about to do a WHOLE LOT OF MURDER and we don't want you apart of that stay at school okay?"

    There's a 90% chance that the truth won't work on Suletta and she would smile and say she won't abandon her family.

    It's not exactly one of the easiest situations to explain to a teenage brainwashed clone child girl.

    Addendum:
    Miorine also has the excuse of being a dumb teenager and Eri the excuse of being, seemingly, permanently four years old for twenty-one years in a seemingly disassociated state in the computer network of a giant robot.

    Prospera’s still a fucking asshole though for sure

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    You could argue that UC as a whole kind of has a dark bitter ending. In that things don't really ever seem to get substantially better over time.

    Also Zeta's original ending is very dark. The movies heavily retcon just how bad it goes.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    One thing I’m still rolling in my head, WFM18:
    Are the Children of the Covens also former clones like Suletta, but unsuccessful in becoming the key, or are they, like, Eri splitting/multiplying her consciousness because of how the Lfrith/Aerial’s system worked?

    They mention the gene aspect so I’m guessing the former

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    Discussing Suletta's orbit.(WFM 18)
    I'm going to defend the gaslighting.

    I'm kidding there's no reason to do this to the poor girl, but I do want to restate where Prospera/Miorine/Aerial are coming from.

    This is not some minor "cutting out" for obscure reasons. Prospera made her intent known.

    A LOT OF FUCKING PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET MURDERED BY AERIAL AND PROSPERA.

    It's safe to assume Prospera's goal is the dismantling and destruction of the entire corpo entity that is governing both Earth and Space. It is going to be fucked.

    Miorine knows Prospera is fucked, and has literally brainwashed her cloned child. There is no progress that can be made as long as Suletta is within proximity of her mother.

    Aerial does not want to turn her sister as a party to mass murder, she feels she deserves better. Which she does.

    Now, gaslighting her to burn that bridge as hard as possible? Terrible, they are all monsters for it.

    But keep in mind the ACTUAL discussion on why they don't want Suletta to not be around them any more is, "Hey, we're about to do a WHOLE LOT OF MURDER and we don't want you apart of that stay at school okay?"

    There's a 90% chance that the truth won't work on Suletta and she would smile and say she won't abandon her family.

    It's not exactly one of the easiest situations to explain to a teenage brainwashed clone child girl.

    Addendum:
    Miorine also has the excuse of being a dumb teenager and Eri the excuse of being, seemingly, permanently four years old for twenty-one years in a seemingly disassociated state in the computer network of a giant robot.

    Prospera’s still a fucking asshole though for sure

    Also it all goes back to one of the obvious themes of this show: your parents will fuck you up. Everyone's parents that we've seen have been various shades of awful, even when they've got the best of intentions (and we've seen that characters like Delling and Vim do care, they just suck at being parents)

    There's a reason Chuchu is one of the better adjusted characters, and her having a whole dad squad is part of that (I'd bet her actual parents are dead, though).

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Gundi wrote: »
    You could argue that UC as a whole kind of has a dark bitter ending. In that things don't really ever seem to get substantially better over time.

    Also Zeta's original ending is very dark. The movies heavily retcon just how bad it goes.

    Oh how dark can it be?

    [remembers the Kuntala*]

    You may have a point

    *the Kuntala are an ethnic group born out of the survivors of a class of people who were the victims of cannibalism at, apparently, a fairly significant scale as the wars between earth and space reached a nightmarishly destructive crescendo; they’re intended as an analog to Japan’s similarly marginalized Burakunin class, who are or were descended from laborers who dealt with death in Japanese society, be they butchers, tanners, corpse handlers, etc.

    In G Reco Kuntala are regularly discriminated against, with overt bigotry sometimes taking the form of reinforcing/reminding them of their history as… food stock.

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  • CururuCururu Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I fully admit my prediction is the height of cynical, but I'm not sure how the series avoids something like that given the rules established so far.
    Aerial is an absolute monster on the battlefield, especially at this point. Nothing is going to end up beating it without a fatal permit score, so, unless they pull some kind of last minute Deus Ex Machina, a lot of people are going to end up in coffins to resolve the situation. The only possible exception I can think of is if the series does not end in a shooting war, but that seems unlikely (Hard to sell kits of mechs that don't see action). They've kind of painted themselves into a corner with the setting. The ending can likely only really end up being either dire or or nonsensical. If they do manage to pull off a believable happy ending I will be thoroughly impressed.

    Long story short, I'd like the series to go back to being Utena with giant robots. Plenty of drama to be had with that without getting into DRAMA. And I hope they do end up sticking the landing since it would be terrible for all the new fans to get driven away by a bad ending.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Lanz wrote: »
    Discussing Suletta's orbit.(WFM 18)
    I'm going to defend the gaslighting.

    I'm kidding there's no reason to do this to the poor girl, but I do want to restate where Prospera/Miorine/Aerial are coming from.

    This is not some minor "cutting out" for obscure reasons. Prospera made her intent known.

    A LOT OF FUCKING PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET MURDERED BY AERIAL AND PROSPERA.

    It's safe to assume Prospera's goal is the dismantling and destruction of the entire corpo entity that is governing both Earth and Space. It is going to be fucked.

    Miorine knows Prospera is fucked, and has literally brainwashed her cloned child. There is no progress that can be made as long as Suletta is within proximity of her mother.

    Aerial does not want to turn her sister as a party to mass murder, she feels she deserves better. Which she does.

    Now, gaslighting her to burn that bridge as hard as possible? Terrible, they are all monsters for it.

    But keep in mind the ACTUAL discussion on why they don't want Suletta to not be around them any more is, "Hey, we're about to do a WHOLE LOT OF MURDER and we don't want you apart of that stay at school okay?"

    There's a 90% chance that the truth won't work on Suletta and she would smile and say she won't abandon her family.

    It's not exactly one of the easiest situations to explain to a teenage brainwashed clone child girl.

    Addendum:
    Miorine also has the excuse of being a dumb teenager and Eri the excuse of being, seemingly, permanently four years old for twenty-one years in a seemingly disassociated state in the computer network of a giant robot.

    Prospera’s still a fucking asshole though for sure

    Also it all goes back to one of the obvious themes of this show: your parents will fuck you up. Everyone's parents that we've seen have been various shades of awful, even when they've got the best of intentions (and we've seen that characters like Delling and Vim do care, they just suck at being parents)

    There's a reason Chuchu is one of the better adjusted characters, and her having a whole dad squad is part of that (I'd bet her actual parents are dead, though).

    Again (as the naming of characters has noted), this is The Tempest But With Giant Robots, where one of the big themes is "sin of the fathers (and mothers)".

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    I guess I need to get caught up on Gundam because y'all simply cannot contain the spoilers properly.

    Why did I click on the 60+ new post notification hoping it was anything else?

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Cururu wrote: »
    I fully admit my prediction is the height of cynical, but I'm not sure how the series avoids something like that given the rules established so far.
    Aerial is an absolute monster on the battlefield, especially at this point. Nothing is going to end up beating it without a fatal permit score, so, unless they pull some kind of last minute Deus Ex Machina, a lot of people are going to end up in coffins to resolve the situation. The only possible exception I can think of is if the series does not end in a shooting war, but that seems unlikely (Hard to sell kits of mechs that don't see action). They've kind of painted themselves into a corner with the setting. The ending can likely only really end up being either dire or or nonsensical. If they do manage to pull off a believable happy ending I will be thoroughly impressed.

    Long story short, I'd like the series to go back to being Utena with giant robots. Plenty of drama to be had with that without getting into DRAMA. And I hope they do end up sticking the landing since it would be terrible for all the new fans to get driven away by a bad ending.

    If I had to guess the bit on earth is probably going to be:
    aerial forcibly shuts down all MS in range of its data storm network, not so much pew pew laser times.

    This ends up bolstering Jeturk+GUND Arm+Shin Sei, and in turn providing a push for accelerating production on the Gundnode line, whose big purpose, aside from the bit in the file about serving as protection for Aerial, as expanding the size of Aerial’s data storm network; bigger network = bigger controlled space that determines what MS do and do not function in a space

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Reynolds wrote: »
    I guess I need to get caught up on Gundam because y'all simply cannot contain the spoilers properly.

    Why did I click on the 60+ new post notification hoping it was anything else?

    Yeahhh I was kinda hoping to wait for it all to be out

    It is funny how CSM got chased off into its own thread but Gundam gets a pass (can't post in the Gundam thread that's a bridge too far)

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    edited April 13
    Gundi wrote: »
    You could argue that UC as a whole kind of has a dark bitter ending. In that things don't really ever seem to get substantially better over time.

    Also Zeta's original ending is very dark. The movies heavily retcon just how bad it goes.

    even ignoring the movies,
    kamille gets better

    you have a point in that it seems humanity in gundam is doomed to repeat history, but there are actually a lot of individual entries in UC and AU alike with happy or hopeful endings, i feel like people are letting a couple of gutpunch endings color their perception of the whole of gundam

    like if suletta and miorine end up getting a happy ending, that isn't some kind of subversion

    anyway more chuchu fanart
    ChuChu-paisen has learned to talk things over, but you guys, come on......

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited April 13
    Reynolds wrote: »
    I guess I need to get caught up on Gundam because y'all simply cannot contain the spoilers properly.

    Why did I click on the 60+ new post notification hoping it was anything else?

    Yeahhh I was kinda hoping to wait for it all to be out

    It is funny how CSM got chased off into its own thread but Gundam gets a pass (can't post in the Gundam thread that's a bridge too far)

    It’s a weird bit because there’s occasionally WFM talk in there, but I think it’s popularity beyond just Gundam Fans means most folks who want to talk about it come here to do so, because it’s just a much wider pool of viewers and so they come to the wider-scoped thread

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