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Sandbox-y MMO.
coldbird.
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I'm itching for an MMO much like old SWG, but good.
Player housing, player cities, economy driven by player-crafted items...
Hopefully pvp-driven.
Is there anything out there like this/on the horizon?
Player housing, player cities, economy driven by player-crafted items...
Hopefully pvp-driven.
Is there anything out there like this/on the horizon?
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EVE is not up his ally.
EVE is more like an economic space simulator. Cold, and lifeless.
I think he's looking something that's kind of like Pre-Trammel UO. Those type of MMOs are basically extinct.
Notice he says old SWG, which for a time many heralded it to be "UO in Space". And it was.
You read my mind.
Give me SWG's "carve out your existence" type deal, WoW's polish and combat system...just hook it into my veins.
Good God I'm looking forward to that.
What I'd also like to see is a city overrun by zombies. Dead Rising meets GTA - you can enter all buildings and use items creatively to beat back the zombie horde. Put that to an MMO and limit each server/city to 100 people, forcing people to work together to survive, not just acquire loot. I'd imagine the PVP would be fun, too.
The problem is many of those careers can be very boring, like being a miner, merchant, hauler, etc. I think that's what many naysayers refer to. Personally I played the hell out of it for over a year, specializing in PvP (space piracy) and playing the player-driven markets to make some extra scratch.
I thought that game was swell for it was (a kind of spruced up chat/community) with team oriented goals thrown in. I wonder if any PA'ers still play it at all.
Man, I don't get why people keep bringing up EVE online.
In EVE you are nothing but a god damn ship crusing through space. There is no real sense of immersion or carving out an existence because of that. Your numbers are your existence. I imagine the game would be much better if you actually had an avatar that could walk around the insides of your ship, or maybe on the outside of the hull in a spacewalk. From there it's just a stone's throw toward making people walk around in cities, buildings, planets, and combat on foot, opening up a whole new dimension to EVE.
UO is a shell of what it used to be.
Oh cool we can walk around now! This means we can go to the coffee shop to have a virtual cup of Joe, we can chat with folks in the same area (already can) and I can show off my stylish new gold breastplate too!
Not sure what you mean about numbers being your existence.
edit: see now you got me all riled up. In my defense though, Eve developers were avid players of UO, and based their game on it. It's the closest thing that a modern MMO can provide, in that sense.
UO is as close as one can get, and that is quite a bit past its prime and in severe need of an update. They are redoing the engine, though, but the core still needs a year 2000 face lift.
Warframe: TheBaconDwarf
too bad official servers are bloody awful now
Also, for the OP, maybe Second Life?
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EVE isn't the game he was describing. No use bickering over the semantics.
Warframe: TheBaconDwarf
EVE simualtes many things well (the universe, economy, spaceships), but one thing they have forgotten to simulate is the heart. Without the human element and the delicate interactions between people on an everyday basis, the game basically amounts to nothing more than a glorified arcade game in space, except combat isn't twitch based and points are substituted for currency. That, is why I will never enjoy EVE.
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Not seeing/being human character doesn't take the human aspect away, look at HAL 9000. EVE's humanity is that it's a fuck-or-be-fucked world.
As for it not being what the OP was looking for, that may be partially right, since what the OP wants doesn't quite exist now. As for the other things:
Player cities: check (sovereign space systems/constellations)
Player-driven economy: check (EVE's strongest point)
PvP-driven: check (again, sovereign space and good group vs. group battles. Choke points, key territory, allies, double-crosses, logistics. Very true to real-life situations)
I think you can't have that and "massive" at the same time -- not yet, anyway. The servers could probably manage it, but your average internet user probably has a too shitty connection to make it lag-free.
My dream MMO would pretty much have:
-Complete open PVP, the ability to attack anyone, anywhere, at anytime.
-Player housing
-The ability to loot anything, at anytime, even unlocked houses.
-Lots of thievery
-Very minimal GUI, no floating numbers or icons on the screen.
-Container GUIs are represented by the actual container graphics (example if you open your backpack your inventory looks like a backpack, like in UO.)
-All statistics of any sort are represented in adjectives, no numbers of any kind.
-A game that records your life story based on items you aquire and monsters you kill and deeds you accomplish
-Local Communication only. If you speak only people in your immediate area can hear you and thats it. If you want to speak with people in far away lands you may have to use carrier pigeons.
-A convincing economy.
-Lots of player crafting.
-Ships and sea-travel.
-Mounts
-The inability to easily distinguish PCs from NPCs. (think UO again)
-Permanet Death with bloodlines. (When you die your dead forever but you can then take over your child if you have one and this child may inherit some percent of your skill based on how well it was raised and who the mother was).
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
damnit, if i was wearing underwear i'd need a new pair right now.
The reason why such an MMO doesn't exist is because most people don't want it. It invites too much griefing and harassment from other players. You described what UO used to be, but much of the player base grew tired of mining for one hour only to have it swiped in 30 seconds.
As such, it becomes vital to not only allow freedom of criminal acts but an equally inviting incentive to not be a cutthroat robber. On some old UO shards, there was a balanced dynamic of good guys and bad guys. They kept one another in check. People would make guilds with the specific purpose to keep that poor miner safe. However, soon as the server balance got skewed to more player-killers than good guys, the game would become an intolerable experience for new players trying to do the most mundane of tasks.
So how do you create a balance of good guys and bad guys, but still allow the world to be entirely policed by the players themselves? There's your greatest challenge in your proposed game. I don't have the answers, and UO never came up with them either. But I hold out hope that eventually such a balance can be struck then our ideal game can begin to appeal to the mass market and thus get support for development.
Warframe: TheBaconDwarf
For some reason I had written it off as some cheesy MMO with a Conan theme without really looking into it.
so pretty much you reference uo then list a bunch of things that it actually has
I figure that most people don't want something like this. It's the most common argument I hear.
I don't really know what to do about the balance between good guys and bad guys. And I don't think there will ever be a perfect balance. I think rather than trying to create artificial systems to make the game noob friendly (newbie protection, newbies unlootable, etc) we should simply try to educate noobs on how to not get fucking killed all the time.
Yeah, it might turn out pretty good. But Shadowbane had all the old UO players jacked too, and look where that went.
I'm just going to come out and say it: I want UO 2.
Warframe: TheBaconDwarf
I did too until those Dev walkthrough videos.
Oddly enough it seems to remind me more of DAoC than Warhammer.
Hell, it's about time.
How about incentives for not having any murders or attacks on your records? Perks in cities, cheaper housing, better quests (jobs) things of that nature. That's quite true to life. Then the benefits of being a crook is, well, all the loot you steal from players.
In UO, going "red" after so many murder counts and thus being banished from all but the Buccaneer's Den was a relatively hefty punishment for a life of crime. Mechanics like that offer pros and cons to the good and evil choices. Unfortunately in UO, it was often far more profitable to kill and loot than to merely play by the rules. Shifting that would hopefully encourage balance.
But yes, a proper starting zone that explains all the ins and outs of the mechanics would be vital. UO had no such thing and I know I was thrown to the wolves immediately.
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Warframe: TheBaconDwarf
Only noobs really end up like that though.
Once you know how savage the world is you can pretty much survive.
Which pretty much makes me imagine noobs are the source of most problems.
Without mounts, we are given the illusion that all journeys are within walking distance.