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The Plot thickens: Microsoft sues Immersion

wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done?Registered User regular
edited June 2007 in Games and Technology
So Microsoft, who settled with Immersion back in 2003(lol sony?) on the use of the force feedback is now suing them right back, claiming breach of contract.

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I don't usually say this, but good for Microsoft. Immersion squatted on that patent, and got a lot of money from it. Hopefully they get thiers now.

EDIT: yes, I know how to spell article. e's are not that important anyway.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Sorry for getting off-topic, but whenever someone says "The plot thickens," I tend to think of Kill Bill.

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    Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Why can't we all just get along

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    BiggNifeBiggNife Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I just hope Microsoft doesnt get their asses kicked as much as Sony did. Sony lost so much money from that lawsuit.

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    chaossoldierchaossoldier Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Didn't Microsoft buy a chunk of Immersion after settling with them?

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    Bob SappBob Sapp Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Didn't Microsoft buy a chunk of Immersion after settling with them?
    Article wrote:
    Under that deal Microsoft agreed to pay Immersion $26 million for licensing rights and for a stake in the company.

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    KarfKarf The Past Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I just sued my left foot for getting stubbed on the doorjam just now.

    Fucking thing. I made it sign a "No stubbing" clause just 4 months ago.

    I am going to be such a millionaire.

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    EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    This is ingenius.

    Microsoft sues a company thatthey are part owner of, and then takes the liberty of choosing horrible lawyers for the other company.



    I prodict that thefuture of corporate america will be monopolies suingthemselves, afterthere is no one else left to sue

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    including a provision that requires Immersion to pay Microsoft "based on certain business and IP licensing arrangements."
    Huh?

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    FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    including a provision that requires Immersion to pay Microsoft "based on certain business and IP licensing arrangements."
    Huh?
    Maybe they want to get paid after Immersion brought back rumble to the PS3 platform.

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    The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    This doesn't have anything to do with Microsoft wanting to prevent rumble coming to the PS3 controller would it?

    In some six degrees of kevin bacon way?

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    PataPata Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Bum bum bum!

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    JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    This doesn't have anything to do with Microsoft wanting to prevent rumble coming to the PS3 controller would it?

    In some six degrees of kevin bacon way?

    Have a banana, you're winner.

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    GdiguyGdiguy San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    This just goes to show you why you shouldn't screw with Microsoft's legal team...

    MS's original settlement was for $26 million, and they're now claiming to be owed $27.5 mil due to the money Sony paid Immersion... if they win (and a cursory reading of the blog linked in the article suggests that they have a very good case), MS will get paid 1.5 mil for doing nothing but licensing it first

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    Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So Microsoft, who settled with Immersion back in 2003(lol sony?) on the use of the force feedback is now suing them right back, claiming breach of contract.

    Article

    I don't usually say this, but good for Microsoft. Immersion squatted on that patent, and got a lot of money from it. Hopefully they get thiers now.

    EDIT: yes, I know how to spell article. e's are not that important anyway.

    Have I missed something. I was lead to believe that Immersion is an industry leader in force feedback devices, they actually build items based on their patents. As far as I'm aware they hardly squatted on the patent, suing less than a year (I think after the second of the two patents had been awarded. The only dodgy thing is the filing of the first patent (which the two patents that were infringed are based upon) happened after the dual shock was first released in Japan, I don't know how the US apptent system works in terms of first to file/first to invent.

    I think it's a bot of a stretch about how they've gone from the full body stimualting devices of the patents down to joypads but the patent does describe exactly how the Dualshock and Microsoft pads produce their rumble.

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    VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Gdiguy wrote: »
    This just goes to show you why you shouldn't screw with Microsoft's legal team...

    MS's original settlement was for $26 million, and they're now claiming to be owed $27.5 mil due to the money Sony paid Immersion... if they win (and a cursory reading of the blog linked in the article suggests that they have a very good case), MS will get paid 1.5 mil for doing nothing but licensing it first

    I would think it depends on how much of Immersion they own. I mean, if they own only 5% of the company, then I would think they are only entitled to 5% of the Sony money, which would be a little over $4.5mil.

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    ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Ever since that whole McDonald's coffee fiasco everyone is cashing in on this suing business.

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    ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Evander wrote: »
    This is ingenius.

    Microsoft sues a company thatthey are part owner of, and then takes the liberty of choosing horrible lawyers for the other company.



    I prodict that thefuture of corporate america will be monopolies suingthemselves, afterthere is no one else left to sue

    Did you ever see roadlawyers?

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    FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Ever since that whole McDonald's coffee fiasco everyone is cashing in on this suing business.
    That topic generated about 25 pages of discussion in D&D. Long story short, McDonald's was in the wrong on that one. They made the coffee too hot to mask its terrible flavor. If it was just a few degrees cooler it wouldn't, you know, scald human flesh.

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    APZonerunnerAPZonerunner Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Microsoft are fucking vengeful, aparrently.

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    DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2007
    I dont think it could be to do with giving Sony rumble. If MS went out of their way to prevent a competitor using technology like rumble then I'm pretty sure that would not be considered a valid business practice.

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    The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I dont think it could be to do with giving Sony rumble. If MS went out of their way to prevent a competitor using technology like rumble then I'm pretty sure that would not be considered a valid business practice.

    Im sorry are you and I talking about the same Microsoft?

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    DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    I dont think it could be to do with giving Sony rumble. If MS went out of their way to prevent a competitor using technology like rumble then I'm pretty sure that would not be considered a valid business practice.

    Im sorry are you and I talking about the same Microsoft?

    Yeah but didn't they get sued last time they tried to create monopolies and use their influence to fuck over competitors?

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    HtownHtown Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Update 10:00 p.m.: Todd Bishop at the Seattle P-I has done some good digging to get at the heart of the dispute using court and regulatory filings. It appears Microsoft had a clause that it stood to get payments if Immersion and Sony settled. Sony and Immersion reached an arrangement, but Microsoft and Immersion dispute the implications of that.

    Nice.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    I dont think it could be to do with giving Sony rumble. If MS went out of their way to prevent a competitor using technology like rumble then I'm pretty sure that would not be considered a valid business practice.

    Im sorry are you and I talking about the same Microsoft?

    Yeah but didn't they get sued last time they tried to create monopolies and use their influence to fuck over competitors?

    That's more or less gone away. There was a NY Times article a week or so ago about how all antitrust legislation against Microsoft has been sorta...blocked? by the Bush administration. I just basically saw the headlines and never got to read the article, but my gut instinct tells me that they don't care about that right now.

    And, really, it's not monopolistic, at least in my opinion, to enforce a valid piece of their contractual agreement with Immersion. This is clearly Immersion and Sony tittering to each other saying "hey, let's word this so it doesn't sound like a settlement." It's a settlement, and no matter what Microsoft's actual motive is, Immersion should pay up.

    Still, I don't think this has to do with Microsoft wanting to block Sony from getting force feedback for the PS3. I think this is more an act of spite. The funniest part of this whole thing is that Sony would have to pay a 25 cent royalty to Microsoft for each game sold. I wouldn't even give a fuck about the 27.5 mil. I'd just collect the quarters and fashion a gigantic piggybank. Maybe a vault. Like Scrooge McDuck. And I'd swim around in it. Oh yes. I would.

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    Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Alot of it also has to do with the fact that Microsoft settling with Immersion created a precedent which would have strengthened Immersions case against Sony. In effect Microsoft settled with Immersion to help them win against Sony and part of the deal was they get some of the plunder / settlement.

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    wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Htown wrote: »
    Update 10:00 p.m.: Todd Bishop at the Seattle P-I has done some good digging to get at the heart of the dispute using court and regulatory filings. It appears Microsoft had a clause that it stood to get payments if Immersion and Sony settled. Sony and Immersion reached an arrangement, but Microsoft and Immersion dispute the implications of that.

    Nice.

    Well isn't that interesting. Nice little clause MS has. I wonder if that will actually stand up in court.

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