I enjoyed 18 over all, but some the the dialogue at the beginning was horrid.
It's really weird. I read the first few pages on Newsarama or CBR or something and was like, "Oh wow, this is bad." Then I bought the issue, read the book starting right after the preview pages and was all, "Hey this isn't bad. Maybe I just wasn't used to Tomasi's style when I read the preview." Then sure enough I went back and read those pages, and the dialogue still read as kind of unwieldy and overwrought. Weird.
Still, just going off this issue, and the sheer amount of exposition Tomasi managed to work into the issue while still telling a pretty compelling little story, I think the book's in good hands. Plus I really liked The Light Brigade.
See, this is why I hate Prime - the same reason I hate Hulk - it's just ridiculous...we've got the most amped-up hero in the universe, a superman with the Ion force, and he's still unable to take Prime down. Notwithstanding that this violates the prophecy (unless Ion gets his ass up soon), it's just uninteresting to see a character that cannot conceivably lose (especially given the stupid black-suited spoilers we've been given).
I dont think Sodom Yat is supposed to be as powerful as Superman.
Clearly the yellow sun powers him in a similar way but not as much as it would a Kryptonian I don't think. Not to mention the fact that he has no experience with the extra power and was clearly struggling with it during the fight.
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I dont think Sodom Yat is supposed to be as powerful as Superman.
Clearly the yellow sun powers him in a similar way but not as much as it would a Kryptonian I don't think. Not to mention the fact that he has no experience with the extra power and was clearly struggling with it during the fight.
What he said. Yat was new to both Ion and his daximite powers. A little weird he kept the ring. And stupid of him to take it all hand to hand. GL's have range...
Was Super"boy-man-whatever" Prime just well written or what in 18?
He was a 'little' whiney, but written like a spoiled child with too much power; instead of a pure whiney annoying mess. Normally i find him intolerable; pretty good here. If that trend continues I could like him.
Could Kyle ION with his massive powers done better? (most likely no? but Im not real familiar with his power level)
Where the hell was Powergirl and those two other less important krypton types?
how the hell are they gonna wrap this up and what powers up Prime even further by the end?
wheres GL 25 to answer these q's
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Yeah, color me disappointed in GLC this month. I know that Prime can't be defeated completely, but throw us a bone- the new Ion should have been able to at least hold his own a bit more. As it stands, it looks like their deus ex machina needs a deus ex machina.
I haven't been reading this which is a very bad mistake. I got word the first volume is going to be coming out soon but does anyone know how many volumes are planned for the sinestro corps war.
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Whether Yat should have taken him depends on a few details we don't know yet. One thing is both versions of Kyle as Ion could ahev taken Prime. The first version was an omnipresnet god. Second time around he wasn't all seeing/knowing, which limited his manipulation of his power and the Starheart. The main detail here is if Kyle still has the Starheart power or not. If he does, Yat probably wouldn't be able to take Prime without them, since the Starheart power is what gave Kyle back his power to manipulate time and space (according to the wiki entries anyway). That power hasn't been touched on at all since Jade died and gave Kyle the power and the one or two times he did extraordinary things since.
On a scale of strength from 1 to 10, 10 being Crazy Freaking Strong, Superman and Hulk are around 10, Sentry's at like 13 (or so the hype would make it sound), and Prime is around about 20. I can't think of any other character in comics as strong as Prime in terms of physical strength. So if a single character like Sodom was actually able to come close to beating Prime I'd be pissed, because the last thing we need is a second character at that strength level, hero or villain. If you want to beat a guy like Prime, it needs to be done like the last times he was beaten...either depower him down to a manageable 12 or so, or take him in an indirect way like the Flashes.
Have they ever shown a case of Prime getting hit by a telepath or deus ex-type magician?
Well, apparently Prime is particularly sensitive to being out of yellow solar radiation, so that'll almost certainly figure into his loss (in fact, that was what I assumed as I read the Sodom Yat fight).
I'm just so irritated that the spoilers about Prime's fate post-Sinestro Wars status are so widespread.
Whether Yat should have taken him depends on a few details we don't know yet. One thing is both versions of Kyle as Ion could ahev taken Prime. The first version was an omnipresnet god. Second time around he wasn't all seeing/knowing, which limited his manipulation of his power and the Starheart. The main detail here is if Kyle still has the Starheart power or not. If he does, Yat probably wouldn't be able to take Prime without them, since the Starheart power is what gave Kyle back his power to manipulate time and space (according to the wiki entries anyway). That power hasn't been touched on at all since Jade died and gave Kyle the power and the one or two times he did extraordinary things since.
Kyle could never take Prime. Kyle is to stupid to take on Prime as Ion and expect to win.
Ultron is one of the most powerful Avenger's foes.. Sentry would be a mismatch only if he unleashed his full strength (like he did in WWH) which he never does because he's afraid he can't control it.
The thing is that he isnt that far off the mark, the Earth in the Marvel Universe really had formed without that 1 real trump card like Superman is to DC. It was what I really liked about Marvel. Thinking okay Thor v. Hulk who wins? Thing is there was a bit of a balance, and the Sentry throws it off. Case in point, is world war hulk, because of Sentry EVERYONE knew we were waiting on Sentry to show up. Before he was around there would be some mega battle and some creative solution. For instance if you look at the Onslaught Saga, it was long and heroes had to sacrifice themselves to give Onslaught mass so he could be fought after an even longer series of battles. If Sentry had been around then, the way they are writing him now I think it would have been the Sentry either would have gotten taken out by some bs explanation or would have just whipped Onslaught, which would have been unsatisfying.
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What.
Sentry has a very obvious weakness.
He is batshit insane. And may destroy the Earth at any time.
Whether Yat should have taken him depends on a few details we don't know yet. One thing is both versions of Kyle as Ion could ahev taken Prime. The first version was an omnipresnet god. Second time around he wasn't all seeing/knowing, which limited his manipulation of his power and the Starheart. The main detail here is if Kyle still has the Starheart power or not. If he does, Yat probably wouldn't be able to take Prime without them, since the Starheart power is what gave Kyle back his power to manipulate time and space (according to the wiki entries anyway). That power hasn't been touched on at all since Jade died and gave Kyle the power and the one or two times he did extraordinary things since.
Kyle could never take Prime. Kyle is to stupid to take on Prime as Ion and expect to win.
sorry maybe im missing something.
why again is prime stronger than superman?
it was my understanding that they were the same but from different dimensions. (im new to dc)
Back before the original Crisis on Infinite Earths (1986, our time), various writers would ill-define Superman's abilities.
He would fluctuate in strength for various reasons, and eventually just had the ability to push planets out of alignment.
This went for all iterations of Superman, including the Earth-1, Earth-2 and Earth-Prime versions.
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Then DC did Crisis on Infinite Earths (COIE), which attempted to create a cohesive single history, removing the concept of the multiple Earths that we would need to keep track of, leaving us with a single Earth with a history and inhabitants created from a milieu of leftover earths (Earth-1, Earth-2, Earth-S, Earth-X and Earth-5 and some Earth-6 to round it out).
The Superman of this new Earth is our Modern Day Superman, who has the ability to, say, knock a meteorite out of orbit, nowhere NEAR the range of abilities and strength-level of his Pre-Crisis counterparts.
At the end of COIE, Superboy Prime, Earth-2 Superman, Earth-2 Lois Lane and Earth-3 Alexander Luthor were the only remnants of the prior "Infinite Earths Universe" left in the new universe. They went and hid in an alternate dimension.
Then, 20 years later, the sequel to COIE was written - Infinite Crisis, and Superboy Prime, with all his pre-Crisis-level strength, emerged and took the new universe to town.
Whether Yat should have taken him depends on a few details we don't know yet. One thing is both versions of Kyle as Ion could ahev taken Prime. The first version was an omnipresnet god. Second time around he wasn't all seeing/knowing, which limited his manipulation of his power and the Starheart. The main detail here is if Kyle still has the Starheart power or not. If he does, Yat probably wouldn't be able to take Prime without them, since the Starheart power is what gave Kyle back his power to manipulate time and space (according to the wiki entries anyway). That power hasn't been touched on at all since Jade died and gave Kyle the power and the one or two times he did extraordinary things since.
Kyle could never take Prime. Kyle is to stupid to take on Prime as Ion and expect to win.
The first time he was Ion he probably could have.
I mean did you read those issues?
There was never any sense of Kyle's true scope of power in the ION miniseries. He could've very easily just been a regular lantern in that series without anything being different.
Man, if he knew how to spell 'Deus' then I might have taken him seriously.
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Also Sentry ain't all bad, I loved his original mini. he just should never been used after that
Ah, actually in that case I agree with you. I'm a bit torn in that I like seeing more Sentry, but I realise that it probably shouldn't have been done.
It's painful seeing Sentry nowadays, the kind of power he possesses, he should be able to defeat almost every single villain on the planet. Hell, civil war should have been won instantly.
I think it'd be a good idea for Sentry to realize that his literally godlike status threatens the entire planet more than it protects it and decides to fly off into space facing off against enemies on a cosmic scale, beings that actually have a chance against him. Damn, annihilation wave would have been great with Sentry fighting hundreds of thousands of alien warships.
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It's really weird. I read the first few pages on Newsarama or CBR or something and was like, "Oh wow, this is bad." Then I bought the issue, read the book starting right after the preview pages and was all, "Hey this isn't bad. Maybe I just wasn't used to Tomasi's style when I read the preview." Then sure enough I went back and read those pages, and the dialogue still read as kind of unwieldy and overwrought. Weird.
Still, just going off this issue, and the sheer amount of exposition Tomasi managed to work into the issue while still telling a pretty compelling little story, I think the book's in good hands. Plus I really liked The Light Brigade.
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Clearly the yellow sun powers him in a similar way but not as much as it would a Kryptonian I don't think. Not to mention the fact that he has no experience with the extra power and was clearly struggling with it during the fight.
What he said. Yat was new to both Ion and his daximite powers. A little weird he kept the ring. And stupid of him to take it all hand to hand. GL's have range...
Was Super"boy-man-whatever" Prime just well written or what in 18?
He was a 'little' whiney, but written like a spoiled child with too much power; instead of a pure whiney annoying mess. Normally i find him intolerable; pretty good here. If that trend continues I could like him.
Could Kyle ION with his massive powers done better? (most likely no? but Im not real familiar with his power level)
Where the hell was Powergirl and those two other less important krypton types?
how the hell are they gonna wrap this up and what powers up Prime even further by the end?
wheres GL 25 to answer these q's
hell yes it was
doom the fuck tree
Have they ever shown a case of Prime getting hit by a telepath or deus ex-type magician?
Kyle
I'm just so irritated that the spoilers about Prime's fate post-Sinestro Wars status are so widespread.
.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh how funny.
Kyle could never take Prime. Kyle is to stupid to take on Prime as Ion and expect to win.
Like I said, his hype says so. You can blame it on whoever you like if Girl-Ultron can take him on.
Now thats not fair.
Sentrys mini series have been pretty good. It's just every appearance since then where the writing has sucked.
Sentry has a very obvious weakness.
He is batshit insane. And may destroy the Earth at any time.
Which is why he was a last resort.
That's so not a weakness. I mean, how does that hurt him?
His weak will is a liability, though, as apparently Hammerhead was able to beat him simply by demoralizing him with words.
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Also Sentry ain't all bad, I loved his original mini. he just should never been used after that
I mean did you read those issues?
why again is prime stronger than superman?
it was my understanding that they were the same but from different dimensions. (im new to dc)
He would fluctuate in strength for various reasons, and eventually just had the ability to push planets out of alignment.
This went for all iterations of Superman, including the Earth-1, Earth-2 and Earth-Prime versions.
- - - -
Then DC did Crisis on Infinite Earths (COIE), which attempted to create a cohesive single history, removing the concept of the multiple Earths that we would need to keep track of, leaving us with a single Earth with a history and inhabitants created from a milieu of leftover earths (Earth-1, Earth-2, Earth-S, Earth-X and Earth-5 and some Earth-6 to round it out).
The Superman of this new Earth is our Modern Day Superman, who has the ability to, say, knock a meteorite out of orbit, nowhere NEAR the range of abilities and strength-level of his Pre-Crisis counterparts.
At the end of COIE, Superboy Prime, Earth-2 Superman, Earth-2 Lois Lane and Earth-3 Alexander Luthor were the only remnants of the prior "Infinite Earths Universe" left in the new universe. They went and hid in an alternate dimension.
Then, 20 years later, the sequel to COIE was written - Infinite Crisis, and Superboy Prime, with all his pre-Crisis-level strength, emerged and took the new universe to town.
so they pussied up superman? awesome.
but doesnt he pull people off the source wall and stuff?
also
Basically Superman can level mountains in a few minutes. Superman Prime can do that to planets in the same timeframe.
Superman/boy Prime is a remnant of the Pre-Crisis universe.
There was never any sense of Kyle's true scope of power in the ION miniseries. He could've very easily just been a regular lantern in that series without anything being different.
It's painful seeing Sentry nowadays, the kind of power he possesses, he should be able to defeat almost every single villain on the planet. Hell, civil war should have been won instantly.
I think it'd be a good idea for Sentry to realize that his literally godlike status threatens the entire planet more than it protects it and decides to fly off into space facing off against enemies on a cosmic scale, beings that actually have a chance against him. Damn, annihilation wave would have been great with Sentry fighting hundreds of thousands of alien warships.