I have some questions that I'm pretty sure don't go in a new thread:
#1: Will my "Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS 910GML Express" handle WoW? It claims to have 128MB of video RAM, but I know integrated cards are special.
#2: Does the game purchase come with a free subscription? If so, how long is it? And how long does it take most people to decide whether or not they want to keep playing?
#3: Is the overall community in WoW as good as the one here at PA? This is pretty important - I became rather jaded about MMORPG communities after my dealings with RO.
#4: If I play, then let my sub lapse, then come back months later, will my account and characters still be there?
#4: Do I need BC and the original? If you need both, is it a better value to get the original at its inevitably lower price and see if I like the game?
#5: Is WoW anything like GW, or should I discard everything I learned about instanced maps?
#6: Is it possible to pay with paypal? I don't intend to get a credit card until I'm out of college and have a steady job.
1. No clue, but the game has very low requirements. How WELL it will run is the better question.
2. First month is free. Buying the expansion does NOT give you any free time, so beware.
3. With so many people, idiots are very common. But pockets of quality people exist. Stick here and look out for good guilds. We offer variety. STAY AWAY FROM THE OFFICIAL FORUMS. There be dragons.
4. There is currently no penalty for letting your sub lapse. Stay gone as long as you like, your stuff will be just as it was when you left.
5. Haven't played enough GW to say accurately, but the majority of WoW's endgame content is instanced. But plenty of outside stuff to do.
6. No paypal (to my knowledge), but local gaming stores will carry two-month game cards. Also, get a student checking account at your bank and just use your debit card to pay. Works for me.
I have some questions that I'm pretty sure don't go in a new thread:
#1: Will my "Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS 910GML Express" handle WoW? It claims to have 128MB of video RAM, but I know integrated cards are special.
#2: Does the game purchase come with a free subscription? If so, how long is it? And how long does it take most people to decide whether or not they want to keep playing?
#3: Is the overall community in WoW as good as the one here at PA? This is pretty important - I became rather jaded about MMORPG communities after my dealings with RO.
#4: If I play, then let my sub lapse, then come back months later, will my account and characters still be there?
#4: Do I need BC and the original? If you need both, is it a better value to get the original at its inevitably lower price and see if I like the game?
#5: Is WoW anything like GW, or should I discard everything I learned about instanced maps?
#6: Is it possible to pay with paypal? I don't intend to get a credit card until I'm out of college and have a steady job.
1. No clue, but the game has very low requirements. How WELL it will run is the better question.
2. First month is free. Buying the expansion does NOT give you any free time, so beware.
3. With so many people, idiots are very common. But pockets of quality people exist. Stick here and look out for good guilds. We offer variety. STAY AWAY FROM THE OFFICIAL FORUMS. There be dragons.
4. There is currently no penalty for letting your sub lapse. Stay gone as long as you like, your stuff will be just as it was when you left.
5. Haven't played enough GW to say accurately, but the majority of WoW's endgame content is instanced. But plenty of outside stuff to do.
6. No paypal (to my knowledge), but local gaming stores will carry two-month game cards. Also, get a student checking account at your bank and just use your debit card to pay. Works for me.
I already got the student account and debit card. :P
One month really doesn't seem like enough time. It took at least half a year for me to realize RO wasn't for me.
I was enjoying GW until I realized it's just an MMORPG on rails (there are no open areas - it's all valley paths and restricted open air walkways where you can't leave the path).
I think I'll wait for some more input to decide whether or not it's worth it to me.
#5: Is WoW anything like GW, or should I discard everything I learned about instanced maps?
Much of WoW's map area is not instanced. Dungeons and Battlegrounds are instanced but for the most part, you do not get your own private playground. This generally isn't a problem unless you're on a pvp server.
Edit: You have a lot more freedom to move around the map area than you do in GW. There are still some restrictions on movement....you will sometimes run into zonewalls and areas that can't be traversed but it's a lot more open than GW.
ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
edited June 2007
I read through the thread and it really doesn't seem like there is a reason to move the WoW forum at all except to reduce scroll. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I am curious if there is some other reason to do it? I mean, just looking at the Artist forum and Writing forums seem to be smaller then us in total posts and thematically they go together.
I read through the thread and it really doesn't seem like there is a reason to move the WoW forum at all except to reduce scroll. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I am curious if there is some other reason to do it? I mean, just looking at the Artist forum and Writing forums seem to be smaller then us in total posts and thematically they go together.
Apples vs. Oranges.
WoW is one game in a genre. AC is for all art forms in every genre, same with WB.
If we had a forum for doing cubism in pastels, or doing sci-fi in haiku, that comparison would be valid.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
If it's turned into a subforum it won't be visible from the main forum index.
I understand that is the reason being put forward. I'm simply curious as to why it's felt to be needed. It just feels like a very arbitrary move. That doesn't mean it is one, but perhaps just poorly explained. Is the amount of scrolling needed really so painful? Is it a technical issue?
Apples vs. Oranges.
WoW is one game in a genre. AC is for all art forms in every genre, same with WB.
If we had a forum for doing cubism in pastels, or doing sci-fi in haiku, that comparison would be valid.
Both are forms of art. Different mediums but still art. If the goal is to reduce scroll space, one could combine those two plus graphic violence into an overall "Art" forum which would reduce scroll by two forums.
If it's turned into a subforum it won't be visible from the main forum index.
I understand that is the reason being put forward. I'm simply curious as to why it's felt to be needed. It just feels like a very arbitrary move. That doesn't mean it is one, but perhaps just poorly explained. Is the amount of scrolling needed really so painful? Is it a technical issue?
Apples vs. Oranges.
WoW is one game in a genre. AC is for all art forms in every genre, same with WB.
If we had a forum for doing cubism in pastels, or doing sci-fi in haiku, that comparison would be valid.
Both are forms of art. Different mediums but still art. If the goal is to reduce scroll space, one could combine those two plus graphic violence into an overall "Art" forum which would reduce scroll by two forums.
And we could kludge everything in to SE++ or D&D, but that would work as well as your non-seriously proposed changes.
WoW is one game in a broad genre. AC is for any artist. Graphic Violence is for all comics. WB is for all works of literature.
If WoW were for all games, or even all MMORPGs, it could be accuratelhy compared to AC, WB or GV
Your arguments are confusing the issue and don't help at all.
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EvilBadmanDO NOT TRUST THIS MANRegistered Userregular
edited June 2007
I am enthralled in how the PA boards are so overburdened and complex. It's probably the most streamlined forum I've ever been a member of. If we're so horrible, the somethingawful organization is a catastrophe.
I read through the thread and it really doesn't seem like there is a reason to move the WoW forum at all except to reduce scroll. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I am curious if there is some other reason to do it? I mean, just looking at the Artist forum and Writing forums seem to be smaller then us in total posts and thematically they go together.
Apples vs. Oranges.
WoW is one game in a genre. AC is for all art forms in every genre, same with WB.
If we had a forum for doing cubism in pastels, or doing sci-fi in haiku, that comparison would be valid.
Then perhaps Penny Arcade Adventures would be a better comparison?
If it's turned into a subforum it won't be visible from the main forum index.
I understand that is the reason being put forward. I'm simply curious as to why it's felt to be needed. It just feels like a very arbitrary move. That doesn't mean it is one, but perhaps just poorly explained. Is the amount of scrolling needed really so painful? Is it a technical issue?
Apples vs. Oranges.
WoW is one game in a genre. AC is for all art forms in every genre, same with WB.
If we had a forum for doing cubism in pastels, or doing sci-fi in haiku, that comparison would be valid.
Both are forms of art. Different mediums but still art. If the goal is to reduce scroll space, one could combine those two plus graphic violence into an overall "Art" forum which would reduce scroll by two forums.
And we could kludge everything in to SE++ or D&D, but that would work as well as your non-seriously proposed changes.
WoW is one game in a broad genre. AC is for any artist. Graphic Violence is for all comics. WB is for all works of literature.
If WoW were for all games, or even all MMORPGs, it could be accuratelhy compared to AC, WB or GV
Your arguments are confusing the issue and don't help at all.
Confusion can often lead to people explaining why something is happening. Or even get people to think about the consequences of the actions. The MMO forums in general, and the WoW forums have a different feel. So if a merge happens, what's going to happen to the cultures? Giving the WoW forums the MMO style moderation for instance would seriously kill some of the traffic here. Condensing all of the class threads into one would just give us a super thread that moves quickly with a lower signal to noise ratio for most people then the current structure.
But having all of the MMO's use the current WoW style is just going to lead to threads being pushed way, way down. So how do you integrate the two cultures? If there is a technical reason for it, then we have to find a solution. If it's not....then why make the chaos?
I read through the thread and it really doesn't seem like there is a reason to move the WoW forum at all except to reduce scroll. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I am curious if there is some other reason to do it? I mean, just looking at the Artist forum and Writing forums seem to be smaller then us in total posts and thematically they go together.
Apples vs. Oranges.
WoW is one game in a genre. AC is for all art forms in every genre, same with WB.
If we had a forum for doing cubism in pastels, or doing sci-fi in haiku, that comparison would be valid.
Then perhaps Penny Arcade Adventures would be a better comparison?
That would certainly fit better under the proposed "Hot topic forum" area. If we're culling small forums I would agree it needs to go too.
I read through the thread and it really doesn't seem like there is a reason to move the WoW forum at all except to reduce scroll. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I am curious if there is some other reason to do it? I mean, just looking at the Artist forum and Writing forums seem to be smaller then us in total posts and thematically they go together.
Apples vs. Oranges.
WoW is one game in a genre. AC is for all art forms in every genre, same with WB.
If we had a forum for doing cubism in pastels, or doing sci-fi in haiku, that comparison would be valid.
Then perhaps Penny Arcade Adventures would be a better comparison?
That would certainly fit better under the proposed "Hot topic forum" area. If we're culling small forums I would agree it needs to go too.
This is a business. Never forget that. PA is still a company trying to make a profit, and it would be silly not to have a forum dedicated to advertising and giving people more information.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited June 2007
No they don't. Stop perputating the rumor that they do.
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No they don't. Stop perputating the rumor that they do.
From the many days I lurked in SE++, the only time the WoW forums were mentioned, was when people were discussing mouth breathers and retards. This is all just personal observation, but I definitely noticed a lot of angst.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
No they don't. Stop perputating the rumor that they do.
From the many days I lurked in SE++, the only time the WoW forums were mentioned, was when people were discussing mouth breathers and retards. This is all just personal observation, but I definitely noticed a lot of angst.
That is a generalization of people who tend to play WoW coupled with sarcasm. Have you seen the people playing in the battlegrounds? Can you tell me they aren't horrible mouthbreathers naming their characteres ikilluokekek? Regardless, I don't want to see you spreading around the idea that SE has a problem with the WoW forum. It's bad mojo.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
No they don't. Stop perputating the rumor that they do.
From the many days I lurked in SE++, the only time the WoW forums were mentioned, was when people were discussing mouth breathers and retards. This is all just personal observation, but I definitely noticed a lot of angst.
No they don't. Stop perputating the rumor that they do.
From the many days I lurked in SE++, the only time the WoW forums were mentioned, was when people were discussing mouth breathers and retards. This is all just personal observation, but I definitely noticed a lot of angst.
That is a generalization of people who tend to play WoW coupled with sarcasm. Have you seen the people playing in the battlegrounds? Can you tell me they aren't horrible mouthbreathers naming their characteres ikilluokekek? Regardless, I don't want to see you spreading around the idea that SE has a problem with the WoW forum. It's bad mojo.
hokay, I aporogize.
Yes, generalizations are lame, and I am definitely guilty of that in my last post.
Medopine, I hope you don't mind me stealing your words.
Medopine wrote:
(...)but for what it's worth, PA has a really really excellent WoW community as far as culture and knowledge dispersed with a minimum of idiocy and rudeness, and whatever happens I'd hope to preserve that as much as possible.
You need to have an addendum in there at the bottom:
"Except for Rent, fuck that guy"
I think EJ beats us in terms of mechanics discussion, but we have a better, uh, "closeness"? We have no official, all-encompassing guild, but we still manage to have community here. But not to the point of close-minded xenophobia.
I read through the thread and it really doesn't seem like there is a reason to move the WoW forum at all except to reduce scroll. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but I am curious if there is some other reason to do it? I mean, just looking at the Artist forum and Writing forums seem to be smaller then us in total posts and thematically they go together.
Apples vs. Oranges.
WoW is one game in a genre. AC is for all art forms in every genre, same with WB.
If we had a forum for doing cubism in pastels, or doing sci-fi in haiku, that comparison would be valid.
If one of those topics(sci-fi for example) were active enough to drown out all other discussion topics it would certainly merit a seperate forum of it's own.
Sure, from one point of view it makes perfect logical sense to merge the WoW forum with the MMO forum but is it practical? This is a very active forum at the moment. It makes sense it would have it's own space. I figure eventually if/when the amount of discussion dies down it will get merged back into one of the other forums. But to take an active forum and merge it with another, less active one...all you achieve is drowning out other topics of discussion and that is likely to engender hostility and resentment. Placing restrictions on WoW posts to try and balance that is also likely to cause resentment.
Is it really necessary to reorganize things this way? Is it in the best interests of the site as well as the forumers? And if a reorg is necessary...is there a better way it could be done? I think simply merging the two forums is likely to cause a lot of disruption.
I think EJ beats us in terms of mechanics discussion, but we have a better, uh, "closeness"? We have no official, all-encompassing guild, but we still manage to have community here. But not to the point of close-minded xenophobia.
Also, we talk about stuff that I'm actually doing in-game, right now. The stuff on EJ is cool and all, but it's always mostly centered on things that I hope to do one day, when they're all sick of it. So, these forums are actually more useful to me.
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2. First month is free. Buying the expansion does NOT give you any free time, so beware.
3. With so many people, idiots are very common. But pockets of quality people exist. Stick here and look out for good guilds. We offer variety. STAY AWAY FROM THE OFFICIAL FORUMS. There be dragons.
4. There is currently no penalty for letting your sub lapse. Stay gone as long as you like, your stuff will be just as it was when you left.
5. Haven't played enough GW to say accurately, but the majority of WoW's endgame content is instanced. But plenty of outside stuff to do.
6. No paypal (to my knowledge), but local gaming stores will carry two-month game cards. Also, get a student checking account at your bank and just use your debit card to pay. Works for me.
I already got the student account and debit card. :P
One month really doesn't seem like enough time. It took at least half a year for me to realize RO wasn't for me.
I was enjoying GW until I realized it's just an MMORPG on rails (there are no open areas - it's all valley paths and restricted open air walkways where you can't leave the path).
I think I'll wait for some more input to decide whether or not it's worth it to me.
Much of WoW's map area is not instanced. Dungeons and Battlegrounds are instanced but for the most part, you do not get your own private playground. This generally isn't a problem unless you're on a pvp server.
Edit: You have a lot more freedom to move around the map area than you do in GW. There are still some restrictions on movement....you will sometimes run into zonewalls and areas that can't be traversed but it's a lot more open than GW.
Apples vs. Oranges.
WoW is one game in a genre. AC is for all art forms in every genre, same with WB.
If we had a forum for doing cubism in pastels, or doing sci-fi in haiku, that comparison would be valid.
I understand that is the reason being put forward. I'm simply curious as to why it's felt to be needed. It just feels like a very arbitrary move. That doesn't mean it is one, but perhaps just poorly explained. Is the amount of scrolling needed really so painful? Is it a technical issue?
Both are forms of art. Different mediums but still art. If the goal is to reduce scroll space, one could combine those two plus graphic violence into an overall "Art" forum which would reduce scroll by two forums.
And we could kludge everything in to SE++ or D&D, but that would work as well as your non-seriously proposed changes.
WoW is one game in a broad genre. AC is for any artist. Graphic Violence is for all comics. WB is for all works of literature.
If WoW were for all games, or even all MMORPGs, it could be accuratelhy compared to AC, WB or GV
Your arguments are confusing the issue and don't help at all.
Then perhaps Penny Arcade Adventures would be a better comparison?
Confusion can often lead to people explaining why something is happening. Or even get people to think about the consequences of the actions. The MMO forums in general, and the WoW forums have a different feel. So if a merge happens, what's going to happen to the cultures? Giving the WoW forums the MMO style moderation for instance would seriously kill some of the traffic here. Condensing all of the class threads into one would just give us a super thread that moves quickly with a lower signal to noise ratio for most people then the current structure.
But having all of the MMO's use the current WoW style is just going to lead to threads being pushed way, way down. So how do you integrate the two cultures? If there is a technical reason for it, then we have to find a solution. If it's not....then why make the chaos?
That would certainly fit better under the proposed "Hot topic forum" area. If we're culling small forums I would agree it needs to go too.
It concerns the fate of this very forum; I think it's relevant.
Warcraft chat thread.
The discussion deals with the forum's continued existence. Seems like a good thing to chat about.
Yah, but the discussion in Tube's Circus has found its way here as well.
This place was something special, it will be missed.
If it were 100% sure it would probably be done already.
I doubt tube would have been given the admin stick if he weren't willing to listen to concerns. :P
Not sure it is 100%, but I don't think we convinced Tube to change his mind.
And that's a joke, damn it, so nobody gets their pants in a knot or, haven forbid, agree that Tube is some sort of caveman.
We get deflected hate.
Actually some of us are drifting into SE. Or drifted here from lurking in SE.
The people in SE don't seem to care about the WoW forum one way or the other.
For the hate look at the longer running but smaller on-topic forums.
Are you all in depression now? I guess we're almost done.
From the many days I lurked in SE++, the only time the WoW forums were mentioned, was when people were discussing mouth breathers and retards. This is all just personal observation, but I definitely noticed a lot of angst.
Psst.
Guess where most of my posts are?
Blanket statements are pretty lame.
That is a generalization of people who tend to play WoW coupled with sarcasm. Have you seen the people playing in the battlegrounds? Can you tell me they aren't horrible mouthbreathers naming their characteres ikilluokekek? Regardless, I don't want to see you spreading around the idea that SE has a problem with the WoW forum. It's bad mojo.
hokay, I aporogize.
Yes, generalizations are lame, and I am definitely guilty of that in my last post.
You need to have an addendum in there at the bottom:
"Except for Rent, fuck that guy"
You make the English major in me proud.
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EDIT: I'm off to a BBQ. I'll pour one out for all you homies.
If one of those topics(sci-fi for example) were active enough to drown out all other discussion topics it would certainly merit a seperate forum of it's own.
Sure, from one point of view it makes perfect logical sense to merge the WoW forum with the MMO forum but is it practical? This is a very active forum at the moment. It makes sense it would have it's own space. I figure eventually if/when the amount of discussion dies down it will get merged back into one of the other forums. But to take an active forum and merge it with another, less active one...all you achieve is drowning out other topics of discussion and that is likely to engender hostility and resentment. Placing restrictions on WoW posts to try and balance that is also likely to cause resentment.
Is it really necessary to reorganize things this way? Is it in the best interests of the site as well as the forumers? And if a reorg is necessary...is there a better way it could be done? I think simply merging the two forums is likely to cause a lot of disruption.
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