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Y'all is a contraction of "you" and "all", which is the second person plural in english. Some feel that the second person plural in english does not exist or, rather, the form of the second person plural is something other than "ya'll" or "y'all".
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/you-allAmerican Heritage Dictionary wrote:You-all functions with perfect grammatical regularity as a second person plural pronoun, taking its own possessive you-all's (or less frequently, your-all's, where both parts of the word are inflected for possession): You-all's voices sound alike. Southerners do not, as is sometimes believed, use you-all or y'all for both singular and plural you. A single person may only be addressed as you-all if the speaker implies in the reference other persons not present: Did you-all [you and others] have dinner yet? You and you-all preserve the singular/plural distinction that English used to have in thou and ye, the subject forms of singular and plural you, respectively (thee and you were the singular and plural object forms). The distinction between singular thou/thee and plural ye/you began to blur as early as the 13th century, when the plural form was often used for the singular in formal contexts or to indicate politeness, much as the French use tu for singular and familiar "you," and vous for both plural and polite singular "you." In English, the object form you gradually came to be used in subject position as well, so that the four forms thou, thee, ye, and you collapsed into one form, you. Thou and thee were quite rare in educated speech in the 16th century, and they disappeared completely from standard English in the 18th. However, the distinction between singular and plural you is just as useful as that between other singular and plural pronoun forms, such as I and we. In addition to y'all, other forms for plural you include you-uns, youse, and you guys or youse guys. Youse is common in vernacular varieties in the Northeast, particularly in large cities such as New York and Boston, and is also common in Irish English.
Also, here is a list of english personal pronouns, from wikipedia:
* I (1st. person singular)
* Thou (2nd. person singular, archaic)
* You (2nd. person singular/plural)
* He (3rd. person singular, masculine)
* She (3rd. person singular, feminine)
* It (3rd. person singular, neuter)
* One (morphologically 3rd. person singular, though semantically equivalent to "we")
* We (1st. person plural)
* Y'all (2nd. person plural, dialectal)
* Ye (2nd. person plural, archaic)
* They (3rd. person plural)
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"y'all" is a word. "You" and "all" (the components of the second person plural) are not random words.
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And there are rules on how you can contract words. You cannot pick any two random words and contract them. You and all cannot be contracted. "Y'all" is not a real word.
'All' has nothing to do with it. Y'all may be valid as a qualifier, but that's all it is.
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To use "ya'll" as the second person singular is to use a word incorrectly.
An instance of a person using a word incorrectly does not mean that the word itself is incorrect.
If a child refers to a cat as a "dog" this is not indicative of some fault of the word "dog".
That is an incorrect statement.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/y'all
I'm not going to argue it's not real--it's real enough for the purposes of this.
However, it's totally unnecessary.
We don't use 'ye' any more, only 'you'. It is used for both forms, unlike other languages that make the distinction (tu v. su, tous v. vous, so on).
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It is a word because it both appears in the dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/y'all) and is a sensible contraction of two words "you" and "all" which are the words used to form the second person plural in english.
Whatever words native english speakers use - those are correct English.
Shinto!
India needs you.
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Citation?
I'll be damned if anyone would actually try to use that argument. We've better reasons to complain.
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The other players in the civ game need to form their own parties and policies for a while.
It was getting kind of weird there. Little too much Shinto love.
I have seen people make the argument that it's not a contraction because you don't have the right to pick any two words that take your fancy and contract them. And they're right.
Now quit picking random words, contracting them, and pretending it's a real word.
Or if you prefer:
No'it pick'dom words, cont'em, an'tending it's a re'rd.
You are correct.
See? I used "you" because I was using the second person singular.
It's not two random words!
It's the two words which form the second person plural in english.
Fuck, you're the one making the claim. Show me a grammar book that says picking random words and contracting them for fun (not to mention alternating the spelling from y'all to ya'll every five uses) is a valid grammar rule.
No.
'You' is the second person plural in English.
'You all' is just a qualifier of something that is already the second person plural based on context, because people don't want to say 'ye'.
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Fixed.
"You all" is the second person plural in english because "you" is the second person singular.
...um, no.
I know that, historically, you get your kicks to dirty Conjunction Junction fanmovies, but you don't get to make pronouns up just because you say so. 'You all' is a qualified version of 'you' that emphasizes second person. The all is absolutely unnecessary; 'you' is sufficient to denote either second person singular or plural. That's why everyone else outside of the South, including England (who has a say in this), uses 'you' only.
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You still haven't supported that claim with anything but you saying it.
My team, however, has provided at least 3 outside sources which support "you all" as the second person plural.
It is, however, exactly like me saying 'They all wanted more onion rings'. The all is not necessary to the existence of the third-person pronoun.
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