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To Admin: C&C Games as a tournament addition?

n00bjabin00bjabi Registered User
edited August 2007 in PAX Archive
As a long time Command and Conquer fan, and knowing that the games themselves are very easy to play, would it be possible for any of the C&C games from the franchise to be played in the tournament? I know that there is a freakish amount of Red Alert 2 & YR players in Washington, and that a Generals/Zero Hour tournament if it was hosted would draw quite a lot of attention. I've been going to LAN's for quite a few years, and I always stumble upon a bunch of people who have a lot of experience with the C&C games, so we inevitably end up playing for fun.

C&C: Generals, or Zero Hour would be an extremely fun game to host tournament wise. Generals, is extremely balanced and fast paced, and Zero Hour has a very large array of armies to choose from and team games or one on ones would be easy to organize. I know that we already have Warcraft 3: FT as a tournament option, but if you ask anyone who's really played both games at a high level, they'll tell you that overall Zero Hour is much more fast paced and micro intensiv than War3 is. I know that Warcraft 3 has a large amount of strategy, but it pales in comparison with the near myriad number of build orders available in ZH. I'm not saying that ZH should be the only game played, but I am asking that the PC Tournament Organizers consider adding this game to the lineup, because I know that we'll be able to get some insanely good matches going if it was added to the roster of games. There's quite a large community of C&C players overall in Washington, and, from past experience with other tournaments with this game accross the country, it will draw quite a large number of professional people to it.

I feel that the number of PC Games in the tournaments isn't quite big, and that other games should be added, but not just first person. Another RTS game wouldn't be bad in addition to frozen throne. And racing games such as anything from the Need For Speed series (Underground 2, Hot Pursuit, etc..) wouldn't be bad to include.

Just my two cents, lock or delete this if you wish, but I really wouldn't mind seeing more variety of games, especially in the RTS section, since you have 3 FPS games already.

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  • David CoffmanDavid Coffman Registered User, PAX Staff regular
    edited February 2005
    This is the kind of feedback we're looking for, actually. I'm actually fairly surprised to see C&C mentioned, as honestly, I haven't seen many people playing it at all.

    If there are other people who would be interested in a C&C tournament, definitely step forward (or any other game, for that matter).

    And we're trying to limit the number of tournaments simply because we want to make sure the tournaments all go as planned...we really don't want to over-extend ourselves and end up with the tournament delays that everyone with any lan party experience has probably already gotten used to. ;)

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  • eelektrikeelektrik Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2005
    Alhtough he doesnt post in the forums, I have a friend that might be interested in a Zero Hour tournament. I never liked Generals myself but he borrowed it(never returned it, not that I care) and eventually got Zero Hour and loved it multiplayer, and he wants to go to PAX this year after I told him how awesome it was last year.

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  • Red Machine DRed Machine D __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2005
    C&C? Ewwwwwww. How about Starcraft instead?

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  • ctishmanctishman Registered User
    edited February 2005
    Hell, why don't we drag out Warcraft II!

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  • eelektrikeelektrik Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2005
    C&C? Ewwwwwww. How about Starcraft instead?

    Well, a Starcraft tournament certainly would go faster, what with all the rushing. Ive never seen a starcraft match last longer the 5-10 minutes, which is completly unacceptable for an RTS.

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  • coolpcoolp Registered User
    edited February 2005
    I'd love to see Red Alert 2 installed on the freeplay computers for pickup games. Instead of Generals, there are a lot of newer RTS games coming out that might make for more active tournaments. Empire Earth 2 is coming out soon, and Gamestop has Age of Empires 3 for a July release, which would be just in time for PAX.

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  • Red Machine DRed Machine D __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2005
    eelektrik wrote:
    C&C? Ewwwwwww. How about Starcraft instead?

    Well, a Starcraft tournament certainly would go faster, what with all the rushing. Ive never seen a starcraft match last longer the 5-10 minutes, which is completly unacceptable for an RTS.

    Rule: Anyone who rushes in the first 15 minutes is automatically disqualified and is banned from the PC area for the rest of the day.

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  • UlyssesdracoUlyssesdraco Registered User
    edited February 2005
    Rule: Anyone who rushes in the first 15 minutes is automatically disqualified and is banned from the PC area for the rest of
    ETERNITY.

    I vote for C&C Red Alert 1. Starcraft is fun, but I will always prefer C&C Red Alert.

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  • AfflictionAffliction Registered User
    edited February 2005
    Rule: Anyone who rushes PERIOD is automatically disqualified and is to have their head held underwater until they stop struggling.
    Fixed.

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  • UlyssesdracoUlyssesdraco Registered User
    edited February 2005
    I like how you think.

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  • n00bjabin00bjabi Registered User
    edited February 2005
    Generals or Zero Hour are very fast paced rts games. If you get two good players going at it, the typical match should last about 20 minutes of nonstop action and fast paced gameplay. I've seen a lot of professional replays that absolutely stunned me at how often the game went back and forth due to the massive possibilities in strategies and build orders.

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  • futilityfutility Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2005
    ctishman wrote:
    Hell, why don't we drag out Warcraft II!

    why settle on choosing specific games for a tournament. why not just pull out ever single game

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  • eelektrikeelektrik Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2005
    futility wrote:
    ctishman wrote:
    Hell, why don't we drag out Warcraft II!

    why settle on choosing specific games for a tournament. why not just pull out ever single game

    We need an Ultimate RTS Tournament... New game each round... possible suggestions include Starcraft, C&C: Red Alert, C&C: Generals Zero Hour, WH40k: Dawn of War, Ground Control 2, Rise of Nations, Homeworld 2, Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, and Rome: Total War. And if theyre out, Empire Earth 2 and/or Age of Empires 3...

    That would be some crazy shit...

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  • UlyssesdracoUlyssesdraco Registered User
    edited February 2005
    Homeworld 2 has some balancing issues. I say Homeworld 1.
    Oh and eelektrik, that is the BEST idea. Ever.
    I would say a five minute warm up period before each match, so new players can get familiarized with the games.

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  • eelektrikeelektrik Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2005
    Homeworld 2 has some balancing issues. I say Homeworld 1.
    Oh and eelektrik, that is the BEST idea. Ever.
    I would say a five minute warm up period before each match, so new players can get familiarized with the games.

    Well, I never was a big fan of Homeworld or Homeworld 2, so, I just put the newest one. I know a friend of mine loves both so I threw it on the list... But, if they did something like this the list of games would probably be picked ahead of time so people could practice at home if they have the game, and some can be picked up pretty cheap by now.

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  • n00bjabin00bjabi Registered User
    edited February 2005
    The reason I suggested Generals/Zero Hour because ever since War3/FT were released, the C&C games were the only alternative in terms of rts to the war3 games. They were more realistic, had better graphics, faster gameplay, but also a completely different style of game play. It's why I recommended the C&C games, Warcraft series is fantasy based, but some people do want to play more realistic games, which is why Generals or Zero Hour would be the 'alter' game in terms of RTS style in the roundup. You have CS:S, and Desert Combat - which is an older game but has many more game options because of the engine.

    I'm alright with the idea of possibly starcraft coming back, but most games in starcraft are less than 10 minutes long, it might be good if we get a huge tournament going, but if we're setting up pc tournaments, generals/zero hour games last a good 10-15 minutes on average, and are intense.

    The only reason I suggested the Generals/Zero Hour games as an addition to the tournament line up was because they're pretty much the best 'alternative' to warcraft 3, because it's simply realistic, as opposed to warcraft 3 - which is fantasy based.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited February 2005
    Even though I carry no weight whatsoever, I fully support this recommendation. Frankly, the PC tournament offering for PAX last year left many people I know wanting. And yeah, me too.

    To put it simply, the addition of any Command and Conquer game to the tournament list for PAX would "seal the deal" for many RTS fans I know. People right here on the east coast who would even drive, no extra thought necessary. I, and I suspect others, are tired of tournaments carrying the same games for the past umpteenth years. WarCraft III, Counter-Strike? Yawn. No offense intended to anyone, as those games rightfully earn their merits, but you can only see the same line-up fifty times over before you want a change.

    In this case, a C and C: Generals (or preferably ZH for the previous reasons mentioned, as it adds so much more to the game) tournament addition would be very refreshing.

    Heck, forget about Command and Conquer for a moment, it would please me to see any other computer game be seriously considered for "official PAX recognition" in the form of a torunament aside from the big monsters that have been dominating the official money tournaments and leagues like dynasties.

    Anyway, noobjabi, you're not alone in your thirst, you're not alone. :wink:

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  • eelektrikeelektrik Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2005
    We need a Darwinia tournament if it has multiplayer added in time for PAX...

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  • David CoffmanDavid Coffman Registered User, PAX Staff regular
    edited February 2005
    Crabby wrote:
    Even though I carry no weight whatsoever, I fully support this recommendation. Frankly, the PC tournament offering for PAX last year left many people I know wanting. And yeah, me too.
    You do carry weight. Everyone on this board, and everyone that comes to the event carry's weight. This is for you guys. Tournaments aren't for Penny-Arcade, they're for you. It's all for you.

    It's our goal to make, and keep, as many people happy as humanly possible.

    Eelectrik: I really like your Ultimate RTS Tourney idea...unfortunately, though, most people don't get every RTS out on the market. I think we'd be eliminating a lot of people who only have 3/4 games played.

    For similar reasons, I think it'd be a bad idea to run tournaments on some of these older games like Starcraft or Red Alert. It's not that they aren't great games, but I don't think there's a whole lot of interest in playing them compared to something newer like Warcraft 3 or Generals.

    The good news is that we're looking at some LAN Party Intranet software that will make tournaments a lot easier to manage, so there's a very good chance one or two more tournaments.

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  • eelektrikeelektrik Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2005
    If I was going to pick one RTS for a tournament, Id go with Ground Control 2. I enjoy the emphasis on combat over resource management and base building...

    Then again, Ive only played the demo, even though I bought the game when it came out, installed it, and got distracted by other games... I loved the demo and have never played the full version even though I own it... I really should get around to playing it sometime.

    But the multiplayer on the demo was some of the most fun ive had playing multiplayer on any RTS ever...

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  • UlyssesdracoUlyssesdraco Registered User
    edited February 2005
    From what I can remember, Red Alert is damn fast paced, and matches can last quite a while. Rushing is pretty hard to pull off. Oh man, that was my first computer game ever, I used to rock so hard at that game. Only one person ever beat me, and that was my best friend. Actually he beat me every time, except for once. That rocked. Zero Hour would be damn fun too.

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  • n00bjabin00bjabi Registered User
    edited February 2005
    Well, right now - my main priority would be to see Zero Hour, or Generals up there, since they're fairly recent games, and most people who were into red alert 2 will have experience with these two games.

    I consider myself a pretty good Zero Hour player, I'd be more than happy to add in my 2 cents on the rules of the tournament if we have one; such as the map choice and armies and stuff.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited February 2005
    ctishman wrote:
    Hell, why don't we drag out Warcraft II!

    I FULLY SECOND THIS IDEA I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE WARCRAFT II.

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  • n00bjabin00bjabi Registered User
    edited February 2005
    Good news, EA Games has officially announced that they will patch Zero Hour. Recently, Zero Hour multiplayer has been plagued with 2 main bugs, and an imbalance in one army. This patch should fix Zero Hour and make the game more than tournament worthy;

    Link:
    http://www.eagames.com/official/cc/generals/us/news.jsp

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited February 2005
    All this and no one has mentioned Total Annihilation?

    Get some of the later mod-packs for it and you could have a blast.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited February 2005
    Any C&C is fine with me! :D

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  • n00bjabin00bjabi Registered User
    edited March 2005
    Zero Hour has just been patched this monday. balance issues and bugs are ALL NOW FIXED!!!

    this game HAS to be added to the tournament, currently it's one of the best and most balanced RTS games out there!!!

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  • UlyssesdracoUlyssesdraco Registered User
    edited March 2005
    I second that notion.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2005
    personally i NEED to see Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War set up, even if it's not a tournament, but by god it is one of the best LAN experiences i have ever had the pleasure to enjoy. also any C&C game would be a great addition, though i would also love to see Starcraft thrown in there, we need at least a few Old-School games.

    a Homeworld(1 or 2) tournament would be a little too boring in my opinion, well, Homeworld 1 at least, Homeworld two has the fancy explosions and such to increase it's appeal. Homeworld 1 was just too slow in my opinion, awesome fun though, just not LAN material)

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  • n00bjabin00bjabi Registered User
    edited March 2005
    DoW isn't truly tournament worthy because of a few cheap tactics and imbalances, but it's a GREAT game and extremely fun to play.

    I wouldn't mind seeing this game on the computers as well, but ZH for me - is #1 on the top of my list. I've been practicing, so I want to know if it's going to good use.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2005
    i wasn't aware that DoW had any imbalances... i mean it used to, in the beta, what with the cheap-ass obliterators with their nearly instant reinforcement rate, man that was funny. regardless, we still need to see DoW on the computers, tournament or not.

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  • David CoffmanDavid Coffman Registered User, PAX Staff regular
    edited March 2005
    I find it hard to imagine DoW and CC somehow avoiding the lan. =)

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  • David CoffmanDavid Coffman Registered User, PAX Staff regular
    edited March 2005
    BTW, it's looking pretty unlikely that additional tournaments will be added, at least in an "official" sense.

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  • n00bjabin00bjabi Registered User
    edited March 2005
    I suppose we could all just host our own mini-tournament during free play!

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  • FarseerBaradasFarseerBaradas Registered User
    edited March 2005
    I would play a C&C tourney, especially if it was the original Red Alert.

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  • n00bjabin00bjabi Registered User
    edited April 2005
    there are a bunch of cool new mods i noticed for generals, for the enthusiasts on the site;

    http://mods.moddb.com/1530/ - starcraft mod
    http://mods.moddb.com/4174/ - red alert 2 mod

    http://mods.moddb.com/2263/ - yuris revenge/ra2 mod

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  • B:LB:L Registered User regular
    edited April 2005
    Dune 2 anyone? >_>

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  • Xenocide GeekXenocide Geek Registered User regular
    edited April 2005
    As far as other PC tournaments go, I think there should The Specialists tournament.

    Please.

    Oh god, please.

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  • n00bjabin00bjabi Registered User
    edited April 2005
    WHAT ABOUT BLOCKLAND? :D

    or some racing game like need for speed underground 2

    or how about, the best game ever;

    http://www.soldat.pl

    the 2 dimensional multiplayer shooter :D

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  • David CoffmanDavid Coffman Registered User, PAX Staff regular
    edited April 2005
    n00bjabi is right...you guys are welcome to setup your own unofficial tournaments, and the tournament staff will do what we can to help you provided it doesn't intefer with our Official tournament duties.

    We definitely want everyone to enjoy themselves, but obviously we can't hold a tournament for every game anyone wants to hold a tournament in. Well, maybe we could if each tournament was a huge FFA game with a 5 minute timer, but that probably wouldn't be too gratifying. ;)

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