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Law and Order Game Too Real&Recalled

Sharp10rSharp10r Registered User regular
edited June 2007 in Games and Technology
An interesting story broke today about a poor mother of a slain boy. Appearantly someone at Legacy Interactive thought it was appropriate to use real footage from this boys murder investigation rather than hire actors.
So, I think this was probably the only way a Law and Order game could get "on the map," but now it's also being recalled. The entire thing is just creepy to me. What could the developer possibly have been thinking to make such a decision? Wow, just, wow.
Also, have there been any other games which have "blurred the lines" in a similar way?

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
  • Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I smell some lawsuits coming on.

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  • scootchscootch Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    holy crap, I thought it was just a picture of the kid, not a footage of the crime. thats messed up.


    so they only served 8 years for torturing and killing this kid?

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  • Mr PeepersMr Peepers Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    In my opinion, this is worse than anything Rockstar has done.

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  • JammersJammers Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    It's probably worth noting that it was released in 2003, so I doubt that the developers included the image just to cause controversy and raise the game's profile.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The thing is, there's probably five or six episodes of L&O about kidnappings. Why couldn't they use that stock footage?

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Mr Peepers wrote: »
    In my opinion, this is worse than anything Rockstar has done.

    Good, since Rockstar hasn't done anything wrong.

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  • Sharp10rSharp10r Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Jammers wrote: »
    It's probably worth noting that it was released in 2003, so I doubt that the developers included the image just to cause controversy and raise the game's profile.
    That's good. But seems to leave them with only one alternative until another is suggested: They were too CHEAP to hire actors. UGh, I have to not think about it, the more I do it makes me feel ill.

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  • SeptimiusSeptimius Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Sharp10r wrote: »
    Jammers wrote: »
    It's probably worth noting that it was released in 2003, so I doubt that the developers included the image just to cause controversy and raise the game's profile.
    That's good. But seems to leave them with only one alternative until another is suggested: They were too CHEAP to hire actors. UGh, I have to not think about it, the more I do it makes me feel ill.


    It was a tiny little photo of surveillance footage that had nothing to do with the game, it was in the upper corner of a background in one office scene.

    The irony of course it that newspapers used this image and footage of it to sell countless papers to feed the public's voyeuristic appetite, it is amusing how self-righteous they are getting.

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  • MinionOfCthulhuMinionOfCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Mr Peepers wrote: »
    In my opinion, this is worse than anything Rockstar has done.

    IF THERE ARE ANY CHILDREN IN THE ROOM THEY MUST LEAVE NOW BEFORE SEEING THIS TERRIBLE MIND-SCARRING PICTURE
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    Oh my god I just threw up in my mouth how vile
    Wait, what?

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Wait... THAT'S it?
    Fergus appealed to anybody who had bought the game to destroy it or send it back to the manufacturer demanding a refund.

    Huh?

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    oh wait I get it the media is blowing this out of proportion so even gamers will be disgusted at what their hobby has reaped

    granted, that's not the sort of picture you should be using in a game

    but it's about the size of my thumb. the only people who would even notice were actively looking for it. in a 4 year old game. disgusting.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    oh wait I get it the media is blowing this out of proportion so even gamers will be disgusted at what their hobby has reaped

    granted, that's not the sort of picture you should be using in a game

    but it's about the size of my thumb. the only people who would even notice were actively looking for it. in a 4 year old game. disgusting.

    Listen, the Internet is raping the newspapers and video games are raping TV. Of course the news will do everything they can to shit on videogaming. They (rightfully so) fear it.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    hah! I hadn't even noticed the picture at first, I thought that thing sitting at the desk was the creepy thing.

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  • WoodroezWoodroez Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I can't say I would have had a problem with this had they asked the mother permission. Would she have allowed a fucking game to have a picture of her dead kid in it? Of course not. But they should have asked and figured it out a way around it once it was refused.

    If there were no people personally connected to the footage of the victim, again, I can't say I would have a huge problem with it. It's a picture of three kids in a mall.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Newspaprs sodn't ask for permission. everytime someone here dies horribly you ebtter beleive the fucking NY Post has thier picture plastered as large as they can on the front page.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Newspaprs sodn't ask for permission. everytime someone here dies horribly you ebtter beleive the fucking NY Post has thier picture plastered as large as they can on the front page.

    Do they post the picture of the person actually getting killed?

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  • SeptimiusSeptimius Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Newspaprs sodn't ask for permission. everytime someone here dies horribly you ebtter beleive the fucking NY Post has thier picture plastered as large as they can on the front page.

    Do they post the picture of the person actually getting killed?

    No, neither did this game. There is a tiny still image of the three boys, all very much alive and well.

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  • MinionOfCthulhuMinionOfCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Newspaprs sodn't ask for permission. everytime someone here dies horribly you ebtter beleive the fucking NY Post has thier picture plastered as large as they can on the front page.

    Do they post the picture of the person actually getting killed?

    Did the Law & Order game?

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  • JohannenJohannen Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    You guys don't know about the Jamie Bulger case?

    Those people did some fucking disgraceful things to that child.

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  • NevNev Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Newspaprs sodn't ask for permission. everytime someone here dies horribly you ebtter beleive the fucking NY Post has thier picture plastered as large as they can on the front page.

    Do they post the picture of the person actually getting killed?

    Did the game? No.

    Edit: Haha, damn it. I'm too late.

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  • SeptimiusSeptimius Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Johannen wrote: »
    You guys don't know about the Jamie Bulger case?

    Those people did some fucking disgraceful things to that child.

    And? I've seen that image so many times in the papers and on the news.

    The developers have come out and said an artist just used the first google surveillance footage still he found. If this was the first one that came up on google I wonder how many sites were making money, generating hits off of this picture.

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  • JohannenJohannen Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Septimius wrote: »
    Johannen wrote: »
    You guys don't know about the Jamie Bulger case?

    Those people did some fucking disgraceful things to that child.

    And? I've seen that image so many times in the papers and on the news.

    The developers have come out and said an artist just used the first google surveillance footage still he found. If this was the first one that came up on google I wonder how many sites were making money, generating hits off of this picture.
    I guess it's not nice for people close to the event not to be able to enjoy or play the game because of the horrible memories they'd have of those events by seeing that picture.

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  • MinionOfCthulhuMinionOfCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Johannen wrote: »
    Septimius wrote: »
    Johannen wrote: »
    You guys don't know about the Jamie Bulger case?

    Those people did some fucking disgraceful things to that child.

    And? I've seen that image so many times in the papers and on the news.

    The developers have come out and said an artist just used the first google surveillance footage still he found. If this was the first one that came up on google I wonder how many sites were making money, generating hits off of this picture.
    I guess it's not nice for people close to the event not to be able to enjoy or play the game because of the horrible memories they'd have of those events by seeing that picture.

    You operate under the assumption that anyone enjoys or plays the Law & Order games.

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  • SeptimiusSeptimius Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Johannen wrote: »
    Septimius wrote: »
    Johannen wrote: »
    You guys don't know about the Jamie Bulger case?

    Those people did some fucking disgraceful things to that child.

    And? I've seen that image so many times in the papers and on the news.

    The developers have come out and said an artist just used the first google surveillance footage still he found. If this was the first one that came up on google I wonder how many sites were making money, generating hits off of this picture.
    I guess it's not nice for people close to the event not to be able to enjoy or play the game because of the horrible memories they'd have of those events by seeing that picture.

    I agree, it was lazy and they've since apoligized and released a patch to remove the image. I understand why the family is upset about it, I just find it amusing when newspapers and other media outlets get high and mighty about these issues. They parade trajedies like this in such a lurid and disgusting fashion so they can make money, they're far worse in my view.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    And the picture is so blurry that pretty much anybody could've been in the picture and it would look the same.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Fireflash wrote: »
    And the picture is so blurry that pretty much anybody could've been in the picture and it would look the same.
    The fact is they didn't have to use the picture.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Septimius wrote: »
    Johannen wrote: »
    You guys don't know about the Jamie Bulger case?

    Those people did some fucking disgraceful things to that child.

    And? I've seen that image so many times in the papers and on the news.

    The developers have come out and said an artist just used the first google surveillance footage still he found. If this was the first one that came up on google I wonder how many sites were making money, generating hits off of this picture.

    I knew it.

    Still, I can understand why people would be upset. I do think there comes a point when images like this have to be considered part of the public record, though. The developers should probably have just used something else, given that the Bulger case isn't in any way a focus of the game.

    EDIT: There should be a CSI: Miami game in the style of Phoenix Wright, except instead of shouting "Objection!", you should get to do that bit where Horatio takes off his sunglasses.

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  • ScrabbleDudeScrabbleDude Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The picture and full details are on Wikipedia for crying out loud. I don't see anyone trying to get it pulled from there.

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  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    The thing is, there's a difference between freedom of press and using actual photographies without permission in a fictional work for entertainment purposes. These are two entirely different matters.

    That being said, you'd really have to be looking for it, and even though the developers should have asked for permission, it's being blown up out of proportion. I mean, lots of WW2 games use stock footage depicting soldiers who are now dead, but you don't see anyone making a fuss about it.

    Oh wait, war is GOOD death, crime is bad death. Silly me.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    The thing is, there's probably five or six episodes of L&O about kidnappings. Why couldn't they use that stock footage?

    There's a ton more than that if you throw in SVU episodes... every other one or so.

    And Mariska Hargitay is really hot.

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  • MinionOfCthulhuMinionOfCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    The thing is, there's probably five or six episodes of L&O about kidnappings. Why couldn't they use that stock footage?

    There's a ton more than that if you throw in SVU episodes... every other one or so.

    And Mariska Hargitay is really hot.

    This man speaks the truth.

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