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Stargate SG-1 Series Finale(SPOILERS!)
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Where: Sci-fi Channel
When: 8pm EST (-5 GMT)
Why: 10 years is a long time for a sci-fi show
For the un-initiated: http://www.gateworld.net/
According to the satellite TV guide:
When: 8pm EST (-5 GMT)
Why: 10 years is a long time for a sci-fi show
For the un-initiated: http://www.gateworld.net/
According to the satellite TV guide:
With extinction imminent, the Asgard decide to hand over all of their technology to the SG-1 team.
I wonder how this will affect Atlantis, if they decide to mix it up at all.
I wonder how this will affect Atlantis, if they decide to mix it up at all.
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It was a pretty nifty finale, I think.
I don't think this will affect Atlantis much, I think they're attempting to keep the timelines for each show reasonably seperate. But I also don't watch much Atlantis.
Essentially
The ending makes sense though. The whole series is about the transitional space of a people at our level of technology, and culture being thrusted into space-faring, and then ultimately being rewarded for seeking out new technology and allies to help protect Earth. The mission of the program is a success, not just in the moment to moment disasters, or building a viable defense for Earth, but for all the other benefits of space travel. From the beginning of the series to the end you see the progress of not just SG-1 in the fight against the false gods of the universe, but of humanity's progress as well. From their first gliders at the start of season 2, to having to bum cargo-ship rides off of Tokra, to our own Naquada generators and experimental space program, all the way to this. They call humanity the 5th race, but it is now the only race of consequence in the Milky Way, all in about 10 years.
Anyways, it's not an ending. It's an unending, appropriate for the show but not really a season finale. I'll desperately go out for the DVDs when they come out. Hopefully it will show that the show is still interesting and popular and future movies will come.
From what I understand, a movie that seals up the Ori arc is coming soonish.
I do hope that this does something similar to star trek, where the series ends, but many epic movies and small series fill in the gaps the show left behind. I don't look at this as a finale, but as a closing of a chapter. In 10 years, SG-1 opened so many plots that they could keep the franchise fun for decades.
I would not be shocked if tonight's episode sets rating records.
I stopped watching SG-1 sometime in Season 7, though. What's it up to, 10?
Nope.
That's kinda dumb.
Fortunately Atlantis is more about gating to planets and exploring like SG-1 was. The wraith are just kind of there being annoying every few episodes.
Unless you live in the US in which case it's airing tonight.
In Canada.
In the US we're behind on SG-1, less so on Atlantis. I think we're only a few episodes behind on Atlantis.
Also, is anyone who hasn't seen it yet watching?
I can't decide if I'm loving it or hating it. So many conflicted feelings about it.
Canada and UK. Atlantis also airs alongside SG-1 in UK(though i'm sure of its schedule in Canada) . both start later than they do in the US, but barring a few weeks over christmas/new year there is no mid-season break.
I'm so jealous.
Side note, when did Atlantis get the girl who played Kaylee on Firefly?
she became a guest star after the episode Sunday,
Every season for the last few years has centered around finding some super technology that will save everything. Even this movie that will come out is apparently going to focus on yet another technological artifact that will magically take care of the Ori. Guess the holy grail wasn't good enough :roll:
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They don't even need artifacts now because
Also, it would have introduced the possibility of a plotline involving Earth getting used to the idea of a gate network and Go'auld and the other races. Having some radical human element that wants to stop the program or take control of it now that its out in the open. or maybe the beginnings of a world government, etc.
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True that.
That's basically why this series finale kinda blows. It was effectively just another episode. Hell it was filler. The plotline didn't even revolve around the Asgarde, that was just the opener.
Goddamn.
As for the season finale (spoiler):
The Goa'uld were powerful, but in a beatable way. Sure their technology was advanced and their armies massive, but they were still just another sentient race. It was believable that a small group of humans could do whatever happened in each episode. The Ori aren't anything like this. They are, for all intents and purposes, gods. Not fake Goa'uld glowy-hand gods, actual gods. While the Goa'uld were beaten with tenacity and cleverness, the only possible way to defeat the Ori was to go on quests for various magical trinkets.
Another problem is how the enemies were transformed into mindless cannon fodder. This is best illustrated by the Jaffa. In the early seasons, a handful of Jaffa were enough to give SG-1 trouble, and Jaffa were usually attacked using ambushes. Compare to late-season Jaffa, where a single Tau'ri with a rifle is enough to keep hordes of them at bay. Their staffs changed from a powerful-but-inflexible weapon to an outright worthless one. SG-1 no longer used tactics to take them on, just duck behind the nearest tree trunk (count the number of strategically placed tree trunks in later seasons, I dare you) and open fire.
It think the show has evolved logically and will continue to do so.
You.... You do watch the show, right? The Ori are ascended beings, not Gods. The "magical trinkets" are advanced technology, and I can think of a couple good reasons why the Go'uald were easier to take down in the latter series:
1) Humans had better tech (staff weapons and those little guns that stun when hit once, kill when hit twice, evaporate when hit 3 times.
2) Less organization/less confidence in their cause. Throughout the entire first, oh, 5 or 6 seasons they were the dominant force in the galaxy. However, dissention swept through the ranks and their "Gods" kept dying due to some puny beings from some backwater planet. That's gotta affect your confidence.
As the saying goes, "technology advanced enough is indistinguishable from magic" therefore the "magical trinkets" comment.
Kinda unrelated, but I still remember the episode that made me realize that SG1 was getting worse. They were infiltrating an Ori ship, and Carter whips out this monster-sized, widescreen, Dell gaming laptop with the neon lights on the exterior. You've got to be kidding me!
uhm, sainte, the humans got those weapons FROM the Go'uald. you can't realistically say that a young race like humanity had better tech than the Go'uald who had been spacefaring for thousands of years.
and then there was the Ori. It's just really ridiculous that humanity has gone from ignorant of the stargate network to fighting ascended beings or human form replicators in just 10 years, Not to mention build a small fleet of warships. Not to mention that we're talking about a relatively small group in the military here. Their reasoning for how the gate program continues to be secret after two invasions and multiple governments knowing about it, and the limited involvment of private corporations to help build that fleet is getting really ridiculous
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"For all intents and purposes". I don't care whether the trinkets are magical or technological in nature, the fact remains that the Ori seasons of SG-1 are based around questing for elusive things that, when found, will win the day by themselves.
1) Humans don't use staffs except when there is no other choice - even Teal'c has abandoned them in favor of bullet-based weapons. Zatnikatels are sidearms, not primary weapons. Go back and watch earlier seasons. The Jaffa were a force to be reckoned with. Now they're just cannon fodder for the same weapons.
2) Ba'als forces think they're still fighting for a god. There was an episode at some point where some of Apophis's Jaffa didn't even know he was dead. News seems to spread slowly in space.
They're like the AT-ATs of the Stargate world. They are not effective but they make you wet your pants and believe in the power of the Gods behind them. Remember the episode with Imhotep? was it? When he was pretending to be a Jaffa.
"THIS Is a weapon of TERROR!"
"THIS Is a weapon of WAR!"
So, a respectable share of the galaxy vs. a single planet taken by surprise. It doesn't matter that the Jaffa are a force for terror rather than efficiency, they win by default.
I was going to go through and give a lot of examples of where the Jaffa did suck even early seasons, or how the Goa'uld were defeated with relative ease (Such as is implied in 2010 in a mere ten years the Ashen defeat the Goa'uld, or even the original resistance on Earth).
When I realized that there's as many examples of a Technologically pretty advanced civilization getting completely wiped out. Martin's Race. The race in the first season with the message "Beware the Destroyers". Or the many many alien races/hide aways that have these technologies beyond what we have and still died or are in fear of the Goa'uld.
Here's what I think. When the Goa'uld are smart, they can be pretty dang crafty when it's in their interest. Some of the techniques Sokar used, or the fact that if Earth's Iris has saved them so many times, or the Asgard protection treaty. Fighting the Goa'uld takes luck, intelligence, and skill, and it's an all or nothing. You fuck up once and they can conquer your world. They do have an edge in numbers, and they have the space advantage. They can bring in warships, lots of if necessary, to bombard a planet from space and the Warships have shields that prevent most attacks. Since most Earthican cities are not designed to fight Space-Ground warfare the Earth civilization, and most human ones actually, would be destroyed in such an attack. All you have to do is give them a reason. And one of the most important is that any Human civilization sufficiently advanced enough could conquer the Goa'uld in time. Any human civilization advanced enough to do that also likely has technology that the Goa'uld wants, so there's two reasons to attack it.
TL;DR We're both right. Any given episode the Goa'uld are either ultra powerful or ultra suck. It's not just power creep. It's plot device.
Personally, I've liked every season of SG1, and there's no doubt I will like the movies. Yeah, the Ori are a step in a different direction, but the Producers wanted to find a way to bring the Tau'ri to the bottom of the food chain again, instead of being the rulers of the galaxy. And lets face it, they're still getting the shit kicked out of them at the moment, despite
Have you forgotten the Priors have their Big Magic Wands o' Doom? They didn't seem to have much problem throwing handfuls of people into orbit.
The Go'uald were merely pretending to be gods, The Ori are ascended beings, and their technology is nearly indistinguishable from magic. If the Priors launched a frontal assault on earth, there wouldn't be much we could do. Why they don't is just asinine
That's what is so dumb about both the Go'uald and the Ori. Both of them are just modern versions of the old school Sneering bad guy with Top Hat and Furled Mustache. They aren't sinister, they're flamboyantly comical. Both of them go for the terror instead of the kill.
I dunno about you, but Battlestar Galactica has spoiled me. They've given me antagonists that actually are scary and have motives that don't involve their fiendishly clever plot to CONQUER THE WORLD!
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The System Lords, especially those farther away in the galaxy, were always too busy fighting each other to care about Earth. Then, Earth was added to the Asgard Protected Planets Treaty, and that settled it for the next seven seasons or so. At the end of Season 8, SG1 uncovered the Ancient weapon and wiped Anubus' fleet out, and Anubis had been kicking the collective asses of the System Lords, so no other System Lord would come close to Earth after that.
They didn't have ships back then.
In the episode where SG-1 travels back in time, Ra has a mothership.