Did anyone catch the one where Spock and Kirk dress up as Nazis for a third of the episode? Despite a flub ups with the writing, I think the original Star Trek is the most entertaining. They were pioneering in sci-fi on television in every way possible.
Also, is it true that the third episode of the original Star Trek was the first televised interracial kiss?
- Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG)
- Best of Both Worlds (TNG)
- In the Pale Moonlight (DS9)
- Parallels (TNG)
- Pretty much any TNG episode with Q or DS9 episode with Garak.
Looks like Star Trek was first....come to think of it, did Lucy ever kiss Ricky on the lips? Maybe they were all pecks on the cheek?
EDIT: Oh god, according to wikipedia again, there was an animated Star Trek series. I never knew that. It must have been terrible if few people have ever heard of it.
EDIT: Oh god, according to wikipedia again, there was an animated Star Trek series. I never knew that. It must have been terrible if few people have ever heard of it.
You never knew that?
Yes, there was an animated series. Yes, it was bad. So bad, in fact, that Roddenberry himself asked that it be removed from the Star Trek canon.
- Best of Both Worlds (TNG)
- Far Beyond the Stars (DS9)
- Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG)
Also, any TNG (or Voyager) episode with Q is pretty much solid gold. God, the series finale to TNG rocked so hard.
NO.
Voyager Q was utter crap, like Voyager Borgs, and everything else Voyager-y. He went from "I AM A GOD AND I WILL SIT IN JUDGEMENT OVER YOUR RACE" to "I am a god, please have sex with me?"
- Best of Both Worlds (TNG)
- Far Beyond the Stars (DS9)
- Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG)
Also, any TNG (or Voyager) episode with Q is pretty much solid gold. God, the series finale to TNG rocked so hard.
NO.
Voyager Q was utter crap, like Voyager Borgs, and everything else Voyager-y. He went from "I AM A GOD AND I WILL SIT IN JUDGEMENT OVER YOUR RACE" to "I am a god, please have sex with me?"
Ah, that was a funny one. If I recall, all the other Q's were watching the debate, too, so they'd know if John de Lancie's character would cheat. But still he tries to bribe the captain with promises of freaky sex. It didn't make a lick of sense but that was still one of the better Voyager episodes.
emnmnme on
0
Big DookieSmells great!DownriverRegistered Userregular
actually, the best trek wasn't even the filmed stuff. Peter David did a fantastic novel-series with almost no connection to the main arcs.
"New Frontier" right? That series was awesome.
Peter David's a weird guy. He's a great author, but does all his good work (AFAIK) in tie-in books.
Peter David is awesome. "Q-Squared" was and still is one of my favorite novels ever, Star Trek or not. That book blew away my 14-year old mind when I first read it.
- Best of Both Worlds (TNG)
- Far Beyond the Stars (DS9)
- Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG)
Also, any TNG (or Voyager) episode with Q is pretty much solid gold. God, the series finale to TNG rocked so hard.
NO.
Voyager Q was utter crap, like Voyager Borgs, and everything else Voyager-y. He went from "I AM A GOD AND I WILL SIT IN JUDGEMENT OVER YOUR RACE" to "I am a god, please have sex with me?"
That was a bit dumb, I suppose, but the Q Continuum as Reconstruction era US South? Brilliant.
I will agree that he was much, much better in TNG. Then again, wasn't everything?
Can one book be taken alone without reading others?
The used book store in town has a sci-fi wall with lots of star trek novels, and I don't want to buy one and find that I need to read all the books up to that point.
They definately need to get better writers. I remember that one episode of Enterprise where they fight time traveling alien nazis.
Everyone remembers that episode. If their goal was to make a memorable Star Trek episode, they succeeded. Oh, the evil time-travelling alien nazis taking over America will be remembered...
They definately need to get better writers. I remember that one episode of Enterprise where they fight time traveling alien nazis.
Everyone remembers that episode. If their goal was to make a memorable Star Trek episode, they succeeded. Oh, the evil time-travelling alien nazis taking over America will be remembered...
I remember early hype about the direction the show was going to be taking.
This is it! This is going to be where we get the fans back!
One thing I never got was the Q in Voyager supposed to be the same Q as in TNG? I mean the sex thing is buyable if it was cuz the Q in TNG was pretty much the douchebag of the entire Q continuum and that's right up his alley.
Anyone remember the last episode of the Time travelling space nazi arc? Where that future guy, Daniels, whisked Archer away and congratulated him on fixing the timeline and had this weird heaven-like place with little pictures of various timelines floating past.
Its like the writers knew that it was going to be the last time travel episode and they're like..honoring them and saying goodbye to them or something....ugh.
People forget how much good both of them have done for the series at other times in their respective careers.
"You mutilated and murdered this guy, then ass-raped his corpse."
"Yes, but don't forget how good I was to him when we were kids."
I just picked up First Contact. I was watching all the bonus materials with big B's, and it was a little hard to resent them, all things considered.
It's also entirely possible I have no emotional attachment to TV/Film writing/producing combos.
But yeah...they kinda fucked up. A few times.
Wasn't there also an episode of Voyager where aliens invaded the ship and brainwashed the crew into fighting historical battles, where the crew played the Allies and the aliens were the Nazis? It was a two parter but after part one, I quit watching Trek altogether.
Ok I hate to say it but fuck Q. Overly powerful deus ex machina types annoy the hell out of me, because there's never a question as to whether or not you can beat them, you just can't. It's not like say, the Borg where they show up and kick everyone's asses because damn, they're committed motherfuckers and as a result they've a huge range of advantages, it's more like "you can't beat us because you just can't".
It cheapens the narrative, because they've essentially said "all your problems are our entertainment". It's like how at the end of Lost it turns out the entire island is a dream sequence and the plane lands safely in the US.
If it means anything, I heard Sisko kicked Q's ass in a boxing match when he made himself mortal.
Ok I hate to say it but fuck Q. Overly powerful deus ex machina types annoy the hell out of me, because there's never a question as to whether or not you can beat them, you just can't. It's not like say, the Borg where they show up and kick everyone's asses because damn, they're committed motherfuckers and as a result they've a huge range of advantages, it's more like "you can't beat us because you just can't".
It cheapens the narrative, because they've essentially said "all your problems are our entertainment". It's like how at the end of Lost it turns out the entire island is a dream sequence and the plane lands safely in the US.
I also have to say that I disagree with you here. I really did like the Q episodes (well at least most of them. The one where Q just made Picard into Robin Hood was kinda pushing it abit. Like you said, the whole "your problems are our entertainment"). But I thought Q was used rather well as more a way to advance the characters than a "nemesis" that needed to be beaten. Even then, Picard has his own small victories against Q. I thought it also kinda represented that some parts of the universe can't be solved, broken down, or understood and there will always be a mystery that can't quite be solved.
As far as the Trek Universe goes, I'm a TNG guy all the way. It was probably the first real TV show outside of cartoons that I took to liking. My dad and I would never miss an episode. For that reason alone, it probably will never be topped in my book. I tried getting into DS9, and I caught some episodes every now and again, but I just never took to it much. Like others have said, it seemed like a good sci-fi show (much like Babylon 5) but it just didn't seem like Star Trek. Star Trek to me is about going out and exploring new worlds and civilizations and bolding going where no one has gone before. Not exploring the conflicts on an outpost in deep space.
Voyager even less appealing, the whole idea of Voyager seemed rather contrived to me. Then, Enterprise was ok the first half season I watched, but again it didn't hold me for long, and when I heard about the excessive time traveling, I had no desire to go back.
chrono_traveller on
The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. ~ Terry Pratchett
Voyager Q was utter crap, like Voyager Borgs, and everything else Voyager-y. He went from "I AM A GOD AND I WILL SIT IN JUDGEMENT OVER YOUR RACE" to "I am a god, please have sex with me?"
There's not enough lime in this world for this.
I always thought Voyager was ok, not great. But goddamn, they took 2 of Star Treks greatest creations (the Borg and Q) and bent them over a table and raped them with something covered in spikes till they were a pathetic version of what they once were.
As for greatest episodes, there's many fabulous ones, but my top picks would have to be:
1) Duet (DS9)
2) In the Pale Moonlight (DS9)
3) All Good Things ... (TNG)
4) The Best of Both Worlds (TNG)
actually, the best trek wasn't even the filmed stuff. Peter David did a fantastic novel-series with almost no connection to the main arcs.
"New Frontier" right? That series was awesome.
Peter David's a weird guy. He's a great author, but does all his good work (AFAIK) in tie-in books.
Peter David is awesome. "Q-Squared" was and still is one of my favorite novels ever, Star Trek or not. That book blew away my 14-year old mind when I first read it.
YES!
That was the other one I was trying to think of. That book was 10 or 11 kinds of awesome. Made the raping of the Q later in Voyager that much worse.
- Best of Both Worlds (TNG)
- Far Beyond the Stars (DS9)
- Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG)
Also, any TNG (or Voyager) episode with Q is pretty much solid gold. God, the series finale to TNG rocked so hard.
NO.
Voyager Q was utter crap, like Voyager Borgs, and everything else Voyager-y. He went from "I AM A GOD AND I WILL SIT IN JUDGEMENT OVER YOUR RACE" to "I am a god, please have sex with me?"
Ah, that was a funny one. If I recall, all the other Q's were watching the debate, too, so they'd know if John de Lancie's character would cheat. But still he tries to bribe the captain with promises of freaky sex. It didn't make a lick of sense but that was still one of the better Voyager episodes.
You just made me throw up in my mouth.
That's either a sad reflection on the state of Voyager or your taste. I'm going with both.
Oh come on guys, Star Trek appeals to a wide audience for a variety of reasons, so it makes sense people will like different things.
Voyager was different, yes, but I liked it. It was a crew thrown together in the middle of nowhere. It's not going to be the Enterprise, the cream of the crop, with the resources of the Federation. Janeway was a remarkable captain and one of the better female role-models I've seen on television. It was her dynamic with the crew that kept me interested, as it was a more diversified and relaxed atmosphere than we had grown used to on other ships.
I guess it'll really show to you guys, because I thought that Enterprise was interesting enough. It was about the only Star Trek I watched aside from Generations and First Contact.
The Inner Light (TNG)
Frame of Mind (TNG)
Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG) [proving that time travel can be a brilliant plot device when used right]
The Thaw (Voy)
Basically, the episodes that are about the people, not the technology. And yeah, agreed with whomever lamented TNG and DS9 being set in the same universe; the theme deviation isn't really that surprising when you consider that one of DS9's writers hated the Star Trek universe.
TOS was probably the most inconsistent. It's good episodes are great, but the bad ones as so appalling it hurts. The Space Hippies, and Spock's brain, for example, are atrocities. I didn't like City on the Edge of Forever very much, except for Kirk and Scotty's exchange at the very end, where Kirk just says, "Let's get the hell out of here".
The Klingon civil war two-parter, and the series finale, and the first one with the Borg are the best in TNG, in my opinion.
DS9 has way too many good ones to list. Pretty much any episode where Sisko gets to act like a serious badass is great, they really had some great writing for that character.
Voyager had... god, it has to have one episode I liked.... I dunno, the one where the Doctor is Beowulf on the holodeck was ok...
The bit at the end of All Good Things... where Q tells Picard that exploring nebulae and charting stars is a waste of humanity's potential, and that they should be concerned with evolving mentally and exploring the possibilities of reality itself, rather than the geography, is probably my favorite Trek moment.
What episode was the one with Kurtwood Smith (Red Forman on That 70's show) as the guy trying to repair the timeline for his wife?
I like that one. Probably the only time-related episode that I really enjoyed.
He was the Krenim Captian in "Year of Hell" [Voy]
On a side note, he was the Federation President in VI...
And a some Cardassian I can't remember in DS9
Liked the "Trials and Tribble-ations" time travel episode. It was entertaining.
If you liked Enterprise, you'll like the episodes of the other four series they ripped off to write ENT epidoes. I don't think ENT had a single entirely original episode script. So watch the other Star Treks, while reading a Sport Illustrate Swimsuit Issue to mimic the relevance of T'Pol and Hoshi.
I stayed with it until about midway through the second season, but when they had that episode where T'Pol gets the nympho virus, that was my breaking point.
Re-booting things like Battlestar Galactica, Batman Begins and Casino Royale did for their respective franchises would do wonders for Star Trek. Go back to basics, drop the techno babble and tell some good stories and the fans will come.
The trick to doing Star Trek over again though would be to set some hard rules about what things can and can't do, ban time travel and if it's not explained by current science then it "just works" like the FTL drives in BSG with the "spinners"
I couldn't agree with this more. No more holodecks, no more replicators, no more bringing Picard back from the dead with the transporter. Keep the tech simple and non-godly, like TOS, only less campy.
Posts
Also, is it true that the third episode of the original Star Trek was the first televised interracial kiss?
- Best of Both Worlds (TNG)
- In the Pale Moonlight (DS9)
- Parallels (TNG)
- Pretty much any TNG episode with Q or DS9 episode with Garak.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_in_television
Looks like Star Trek was first....come to think of it, did Lucy ever kiss Ricky on the lips? Maybe they were all pecks on the cheek?
EDIT: Oh god, according to wikipedia again, there was an animated Star Trek series. I never knew that. It must have been terrible if few people have ever heard of it.
Yes, there was an animated series. Yes, it was bad. So bad, in fact, that Roddenberry himself asked that it be removed from the Star Trek canon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_Stepchildren_%28TOS_episode%29#The_kiss
- Best of Both Worlds (TNG)
- Far Beyond the Stars (DS9)
- Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG)
Also, any TNG (or Voyager) episode with Q is pretty much solid gold. God, the series finale to TNG rocked so hard.
NO.
Voyager Q was utter crap, like Voyager Borgs, and everything else Voyager-y. He went from "I AM A GOD AND I WILL SIT IN JUDGEMENT OVER YOUR RACE" to "I am a god, please have sex with me?"
Ah, that was a funny one. If I recall, all the other Q's were watching the debate, too, so they'd know if John de Lancie's character would cheat. But still he tries to bribe the captain with promises of freaky sex. It didn't make a lick of sense but that was still one of the better Voyager episodes.
Oculus: TheBigDookie | XBL: Dook | NNID: BigDookie
That was a bit dumb, I suppose, but the Q Continuum as Reconstruction era US South? Brilliant.
I will agree that he was much, much better in TNG. Then again, wasn't everything?
The used book store in town has a sci-fi wall with lots of star trek novels, and I don't want to buy one and find that I need to read all the books up to that point.
I remember early hype about the direction the show was going to be taking.
This is it! This is going to be where we get the fans back!
Time traveling nazi aliens.
Anyone remember the last episode of the Time travelling space nazi arc? Where that future guy, Daniels, whisked Archer away and congratulated him on fixing the timeline and had this weird heaven-like place with little pictures of various timelines floating past.
Its like the writers knew that it was going to be the last time travel episode and they're like..honoring them and saying goodbye to them or something....ugh.
Fuck Berman and Braga...
Enlist in Star Citizen! Citizenship must be earned!
People forget how much good both of them have done for the series at other times in their respective careers.
Well, you only have to kill Trek once...
"You mutilated and murdered this guy, then ass-raped his corpse."
"Yes, but don't forget how good I was to him when we were kids."
I just picked up First Contact. I was watching all the bonus materials with big B's, and it was a little hard to resent them, all things considered.
It's also entirely possible I have no emotional attachment to TV/Film writing/producing combos.
But yeah...they kinda fucked up. A few times.
Wasn't there also an episode of Voyager where aliens invaded the ship and brainwashed the crew into fighting historical battles, where the crew played the Allies and the aliens were the Nazis? It was a two parter but after part one, I quit watching Trek altogether.
I also have to say that I disagree with you here. I really did like the Q episodes (well at least most of them. The one where Q just made Picard into Robin Hood was kinda pushing it abit. Like you said, the whole "your problems are our entertainment"). But I thought Q was used rather well as more a way to advance the characters than a "nemesis" that needed to be beaten. Even then, Picard has his own small victories against Q. I thought it also kinda represented that some parts of the universe can't be solved, broken down, or understood and there will always be a mystery that can't quite be solved.
As far as the Trek Universe goes, I'm a TNG guy all the way. It was probably the first real TV show outside of cartoons that I took to liking. My dad and I would never miss an episode. For that reason alone, it probably will never be topped in my book. I tried getting into DS9, and I caught some episodes every now and again, but I just never took to it much. Like others have said, it seemed like a good sci-fi show (much like Babylon 5) but it just didn't seem like Star Trek. Star Trek to me is about going out and exploring new worlds and civilizations and bolding going where no one has gone before. Not exploring the conflicts on an outpost in deep space.
Voyager even less appealing, the whole idea of Voyager seemed rather contrived to me. Then, Enterprise was ok the first half season I watched, but again it didn't hold me for long, and when I heard about the excessive time traveling, I had no desire to go back.
There's not enough lime in this world for this.
I always thought Voyager was ok, not great. But goddamn, they took 2 of Star Treks greatest creations (the Borg and Q) and bent them over a table and raped them with something covered in spikes till they were a pathetic version of what they once were.
As for greatest episodes, there's many fabulous ones, but my top picks would have to be:
1) Duet (DS9)
2) In the Pale Moonlight (DS9)
3) All Good Things ... (TNG)
4) The Best of Both Worlds (TNG)
No particular order, except Duet is my favorite.
YES!
That was the other one I was trying to think of. That book was 10 or 11 kinds of awesome. Made the raping of the Q later in Voyager that much worse.
You just made me throw up in my mouth.
That's either a sad reflection on the state of Voyager or your taste. I'm going with both.
Voyager was different, yes, but I liked it. It was a crew thrown together in the middle of nowhere. It's not going to be the Enterprise, the cream of the crop, with the resources of the Federation. Janeway was a remarkable captain and one of the better female role-models I've seen on television. It was her dynamic with the crew that kept me interested, as it was a more diversified and relaxed atmosphere than we had grown used to on other ships.
Warframe: TheBaconDwarf
And a Q *sniff* he looked up from his death bed, excited that he was about to embark on his greatest adventure.
*not a dry eye across America*
EDIT: I think Hewn is secretly a Neelix fan.
[to Neelix]
Q: You! Bar rodent!
:winky:
Warframe: TheBaconDwarf
I guess it'll really show to you guys, because I thought that Enterprise was interesting enough. It was about the only Star Trek I watched aside from Generations and First Contact.
Frame of Mind (TNG)
Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG) [proving that time travel can be a brilliant plot device when used right]
The Thaw (Voy)
Basically, the episodes that are about the people, not the technology. And yeah, agreed with whomever lamented TNG and DS9 being set in the same universe; the theme deviation isn't really that surprising when you consider that one of DS9's writers hated the Star Trek universe.
The Klingon civil war two-parter, and the series finale, and the first one with the Borg are the best in TNG, in my opinion.
DS9 has way too many good ones to list. Pretty much any episode where Sisko gets to act like a serious badass is great, they really had some great writing for that character.
Voyager had... god, it has to have one episode I liked.... I dunno, the one where the Doctor is Beowulf on the holodeck was ok...
The bit at the end of All Good Things... where Q tells Picard that exploring nebulae and charting stars is a waste of humanity's potential, and that they should be concerned with evolving mentally and exploring the possibilities of reality itself, rather than the geography, is probably my favorite Trek moment.
I like that one. Probably the only time-related episode that I really enjoyed.
He was the Krenim Captian in "Year of Hell" [Voy]
On a side note, he was the Federation President in VI...
And a some Cardassian I can't remember in DS9
Liked the "Trials and Tribble-ations" time travel episode. It was entertaining.
Although, Lucsly and Dulmer? Sigh.
I stayed with it until about midway through the second season, but when they had that episode where T'Pol gets the nympho virus, that was my breaking point.
I couldn't agree with this more. No more holodecks, no more replicators, no more bringing Picard back from the dead with the transporter. Keep the tech simple and non-godly, like TOS, only less campy.