ASK ME NOT, WHIPPY: THE THREAD (General Comics Questions Thread)

Sentry

Bob The Monkey wrote: »

As a non DC reader, can I jump right in and start reading the Sinestro Corps event, or is there a lot of stuff I should read first?

I read Green Lantern: Rebirth, the first few issues of the recent Green Lantern run (stopped because I find Hal Jordan boring), and the Ion series...

I honestly think I could have just read Rebirth and been completely fine with Sinestro Corps. In fact, it's really all you need, and it isn't that bad of a read.

JCM

Fencingsax wrote: »

Hulk was still on earth during the Genosha massacre and House of M, right?

During Genosha he was having a bad case of DID ( dissociative identity disorder ) and unable to conrol either his gery/green/banner side.

As for house of M http://www.marvel.com/universe/Hulk_(House_of_M)

Reigner

So, what in the world happened to Mighty Avengers this month? Are they on Hiatus until after WWH?

Briareos

I think we got two issues in May, but I can't get the "For Sale" list for May off Marvel's site right now.

Strike that: no Mighty Avengers in June. #3 was in May, #4 is listed as July. Odd.

devoir

Anyone know of a reputable comic seller in Australia who'll mail me my selection and won't charge me assloads for the priviledge?

hughtron

Did they ever explain how Vixen got back from being antroscopically shrunk and injected into the baby cube universe Qwewq along with the Ultramarines in JLA Classified?

DJ Eebs

I think most writers kind of ignore what happens in JLA Classified, most of the time.

hughtron

It's also mentioned in Seven Soldiers, but that's in a weird place continuity-wise as well. Plus I think Morrison is planning to use Knight and Squire, the british batman and robin, soon, and they went into Qwewq too. Heck, Morrison was the one who put them there.

RELATED : I reread all of Seven Soldiers yesterday and it's like the best thing

Mai-Kero

hughtron wrote: »

Did they ever explain how Vixen got back from being antroscopically shrunk and injected into the baby cube universe Qwewq along with the Ultramarines in JLA Classified?

Ultramarines as in WH40k Ultramarines?

DouglasDanger

No, not at all. There were a super-team. Knight and Squire (inspired by the silver age society of bat-men and robins), Hercules (not sure if it was the actual hercules or not), a sumo-robot thing, ... some other people. There was also a guy inspired by Iron Man, and some guy who seemed to be a cross between Spider-man and Green Goblin. I really only know them from JLA Classified, but I think they were in some of Morrison's JLA run.

valiance

Mai-Kero wrote: »

hughtron wrote: »

Did they ever explain how Vixen got back from being antroscopically shrunk and injected into the baby cube universe Qwewq along with the Ultramarines in JLA Classified?

Ultramarines as in WH40k Ultramarines?

I would approve of a WH40k comic. I think there is one.. maybe more than one..

Drakeon

The Ultramarines appeared in issue #25 or #26 (I think) of Morrison's JLA run (the JLA right before this current Justice League Series). It was in the 20's at the least, I remember that much.

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation wrote: »

How long have people been making fun of Jeph Loeb's preoccupation with his dead son? I only noticed it today, first on Newsarama and then here.

Is it really warranted?

Munch

Hooraydiation wrote: »

Hooraydiation wrote: »

How long have people been making fun of Jeph Loeb's preoccupation with his dead son? I only noticed it today, first on Newsarama and then here.

Is it really warranted?

I'll just post a big rant that I found, since it basically echoes my feelings on the guy, and gives a pretty concise explanation for why he's kind of derided nowadays.

BSS' Edge&Christian wrote:

Loeb is pretty much the biggest fan-service writer in comics today. I mean I know I'm a pretentious academic cock, but really 90% of the time it seems like all Loeb is thinking of when he turns in a script is "oh man what string of barely connected scenes can I string together for maximum BADASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSness?" The fact that this leads him to a) working on books with a shitload of high profile and popular characters and b) leads him to write a lot of stories that are loaded with big action scenes, pin-ups and guest stars galore. These two factors in turn attract a lot of big popular artists who are gleeful to draw like Superman versus Godzilla versus Darth Vader versus Batman Beyond versus T-Rex versus Robot Army versus Jonah Hex, and these two factors (along with Loeb's ability to pander to fanboys) means he gets to write a lot of really popular books.

If you look at his career, he wrote a lot of really middling books that never really sold for a long time. Challengers of the Unknown, Loose Cannon, X-Force, some fill-in issues of Cable and the like. It wasn't until he started doing his Batman stuff with Sale that he grasped the keys to success -- get a good artist and then do a story that just panders the shit out of what fanboys respond to. So the Long Halloween featured homages and guest stars galore, and it was really popular. So he repeated this formula (big name characters and referencing ALL YOUR FAVORITE stories) on Dark Victory, Hush, Superman for all Seasons, those Marvel Color books, etc. And those books sold a lot better than his other work, and he started doing that sort of thing almost exclusively. After the media blitz that was Captain America dying, you could've put together a book like Fallen Son with the artists attached and handed the writing duties over to Daniel Way, Mindy Owens, MelvintheJerk, my grandmother or a crude AI chatbot and sales still would've been through the roof. Loeb has set himself up as "blockbuster" writer simply because it never crosses his mind to try to write anything other than a high profile blockbuster.

If you look at any other "hot" writer in comics, they'll at least *try* to write some slightly off-the-beaten-path stuff - if not creator owned non-superhero stuff, at least an attempted revamping of a semi-forgotten old favorite, or a project with a big name character that explores the character in a new way. Not Loeb; everything he does pretty much strips a project down to what always sells a lot, sticks a hot artist on top and then throws in as many fan pandering references as he can fit. And this means he sells a lot of comics, even if people outright hate his writing (and I freely admit, especially before his last few projects, the hatred of his writing was pretty rare). But if you do a books like Loeb does people feel like they have to buy it -- either because it's "important", or because it features a character they follow (Superman/Batman/Spider-Man/Wolverine/etc.) or because an artist they really like is on it, or whatever. It's almost like he's insulated himself against doing an unsuccessful comic. Which is I guess why people keep calling him the smartest guy in comics.

Also, Loeb is really sticking his metaphorical "MOURNING MY DEAD SON" chin waaaaay out to get punched, considering that this is his second "I just want to have superhero characters mourn my beloved dead son" project. The first one (Superman/Batman) was over a year ago, and at least that one was all about how apparently Sam Loeb had lots of friends in the industry and proceeds would go to some sort of memorial/scholarship fund. This one seems pretty crassly commercial, and Loeb himself talks about how much money he imagined it would make, money that to the best of my knowledge will be going directly to Jeph Loeb as opposed to some charity in the loving memory of his son. Who, in case you haven't heard, died a couple of years ago. Which means that Loeb can write about deaths. Did you know that? His son died. That is why he can write about Captain America. It is a lot like Jeph Loeb's son dying. Did you know his son died?

Wildcat

Wildcat wrote: »

I posted this in the last Whippy thread, but here goes again: Is Superman: Our Worlds at War any good? My LCS had a shedload of copies, which worries me a bit, but I'm tempted.

Also, good Thor trades that are not Blood Oath and Thor Disassembled please!

Munch

Superman: OWAW had like, four good scenes/issues in both volumes. The first was the entire YJ issue where Impulse learns the consequences of sending out energy duplicates of himself, the second was the whole scene that featured Guardian and the Human Bomb leading a platoon of special forces guys in a disastrous mission, the few pages where Aquaman mans up to defend his people another, and the last was the part where Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, and Guy Gardner fight an Imperiex drone for like, one panel. So no, it's basically shit.

Imperiex had a very cool design though, and the art was pretty good.

Hooraydiation

See now, that guy you quoted was a total asshole.

This one seems pretty crassly commercial, and Loeb himself talks about how much money he imagined it would make, money that to the best of my knowledge will be going directly to Jeph Loeb as opposed to some charity in the loving memory of his son. Who, in case you haven't heard, died a couple of years ago. Which means that Loeb can write about deaths. Did you know that? His son died. That is why he can write about Captain America. It is a lot like Jeph Loeb's son dying. Did you know his son died?

I mean, last I checked, it wasn't a given that writers take home a percentage from each issue sold, so money that Fallen Son was expected to make probably wouldn't be heading for Loeb's pockets.

I also fail to see what's so wrong about Loeb referencing the loss in his own life when writing a series of books dealing exclusively with loss. Unless Loeb came up with the idea for the series himself, and I doubt he can take full credit unless he came up with the idea to kill Captain America, he's hardly milking his personal tragedy for fame and fortune. Instead, he was just explaining what he brings to the table on top of speculating how many issues a series about the death of Captain America would sell.

LockeCole

Can I find Loeb kind of creepy?

Hooraydiation

LockeCole wrote: »

Can I find Loeb kind of creepy?

Most people in the industry are.

Creepy or fat.

Sometimes and.

I wouldn't kick Grant Morrison, BKV, or Devin Grayson out of bed, though.

DasUberEdward

Imperius Rex.

What does that mean? Something about being a king or powerful or. . .?

Bob The Monkey

Anyone else find the final issue of Seven Soldiers a little disappointing? I just got around to reading it and it didn't feel so much like 7 pieces of a puzzle fitting together as it did an entirely different puzzle with 7 pieces that didn't fit mashed into place.

Bogart

Hooraydiation wrote: »

LockeCole wrote: »

Can I find Loeb kind of creepy?

Most people in the industry are.

Creepy or fat.

Sometimes and.

You're forgetting the beards. So many beards.

Bob The Monkey wrote: »

Anyone else find the final issue of Seven Soldiers a little disappointing? I just got around to reading it and it didn't feel so much like 7 pieces of a puzzle fitting together as it did an entirely different puzzle with 7 pieces that didn't fit mashed into place.

I think Morrison said before it came out that he had roughly twice the number of pages of material that he could fit into the last issue. Which would explain why many (me included) found it confusing. Re-reading it along with the rest of the series helps, but I think the last issue's defintely got problems.

Bloods End

Hooraydiation wrote: »

LockeCole wrote: »

Can I find Loeb kind of creepy?

Most people in the industry are.

Creepy or fat.

Sometimes and.

I wouldn't kick Grant Morrison, BKV, or Devin Grayson out of bed, though.

Two bald men and a lady.

If you add those together you get Sinade O'Connald

Hooraydiation

The list wouldn't be nearly as gay if there were more women writers.

Oh yeah, Chynna Clugston Major. She's dreamy.

Scooter

No Simone?

Actually, I just googled her pic just now and maybe not

Hooraydiation

Scooter wrote: »

No Simone?

Actually, I just googled her pic just now and maybe not

Gail Simone has a great personality, and she's really funny.

deadonthestreet

DasUberEdward wrote: »

Imperius Rex.

What does that mean? Something about being a king or powerful or. . .?

"I am Namor and I am going to hit you really hard now," is my preferred translation.

LockeCole

deadonthestreet wrote: »

DasUberEdward wrote: »

Imperius Rex.

What does that mean? Something about being a king or powerful or. . .?

"I am Namor and I am going to hit you really hard now," is my preferred translation.

:^:

Balefuego

You guys can talk shit about Loeb all you want but Fallen Son: Captain America is 22 of the best comic book pages ever.

JCM

LockeCole wrote: »

deadonthestreet wrote: »

DasUberEdward wrote: »

Imperius Rex.

What does that mean? Something about being a king or powerful or. . .?

"I am Namor and I am going to hit you really hard now," is my preferred translation.

:^:

Supreme/Dominant King!!

Basically, he´s screaming to let you know youre getting your ass whupped by royalty.

Having fought-Hulk
Hercules
Thing
Abomination
Orca
Silver Surfer
Thor
Iron Man
Goliath
Dragon Man
Wolverine
To a stalemate, he deserves to let you know it.

wwtMask

Wait, did you just include Orca on that list? Orca, who was killed in Heroes for Hire by a fucking Doombot?

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things does not belong.

mattharvest

JCM wrote: »

LockeCole wrote: »

deadonthestreet wrote: »

DasUberEdward wrote: »

Imperius Rex.

What does that mean? Something about being a king or powerful or. . .?

"I am Namor and I am going to hit you really hard now," is my preferred translation.

:^:

Supreme/Dominant King!!

Basically, he´s screaming to let you know youre getting your ass whupped by royalty.

Having fought-Hulk
Hercules
Thing
Abomination
Orca
Silver Surfer
Thor
Iron Man
Goliath
Dragon Man
Wolverine
To a stalemate, he deserves to let you know it.

You know, for a guy with all that physical prowess and the damned-near perfect loyalty of his undersea nation, he's done a truly awful job keeping landdwellers from (a) polluting the water, (b) engaging in warfare over the seas, etc.

I don't have a real point here, I just think that's funny.

JCM

mattharvest wrote: »

JCM wrote: »

LockeCole wrote: »

deadonthestreet wrote: »

DasUberEdward wrote: »

Imperius Rex.

What does that mean? Something about being a king or powerful or. . .?

"I am Namor and I am going to hit you really hard now," is my preferred translation.

:^:

Supreme/Dominant King!!

Basically, he´s screaming to let you know youre getting your ass whupped by royalty.

Having fought-Hulk
Hercules
Thing
Abomination
Orca
Silver Surfer
Thor
Iron Man
Goliath
Dragon Man
Wolverine
To a stalemate, he deserves to let you know it.

You know, for a guy with all that physical prowess and the damned-near perfect loyalty of his undersea nation, he's done a truly awful job keeping landdwellers from (a) polluting the water, (b) engaging in warfare over the seas, etc.

I don't have a real point here, I just think that's funny.

Good question-

But for him to do a)and b) He´d have to kill every last one of us (and in the early 80s minis, he actually was about to do that when he backed down)... so the fact that he hasnt wiped us out does show that he´s a hero somewhat..

Now the real question is, Whippy and all-
Has Namor had sex with Sue Richards?

Theyve traded tongues and had sleepovers, but no real action shown, only implied, one side it seems to fit his billing as royalty to have Sue in his hands, yet not do her, but on the other hand, if my wife slobbered a guy that often, I´d divorce her.

Scooter

I asked the question here once and the opinion seemed to be, definitely, but as far as I can tell there's never been anything in the actual books beyond just being attracted.

JCM

I put the question up on another board and was flamed for it, by some Reed fan (who also says that its a Skrull who sent Hulk to space) screaming NEVER!

From that thread, stuff I found around the net, seems to hint it (and the amount of kissing already makes her unfaithful), but no two-page spreads of them doing it, sadly. (image heavy)

Then the comic cuts to black, then another scene.

Before she sees Namor-

After that night, they go off fight the MoleMan together

After she finds Reed, still one last kiss




Then the issue ends, cant find the next


Is this from a comic?


Comic cuts scene, and we only see Sue pages later the next day.

Heck, the most annoying thing in the old comics is that Namor would appear like this-


Now, Im not saying its 100% sure, but damn, for me to think they have never done it, I would have to pretend that nothing happened whenever the comics cut off

Anyone got some issue confirming/denying it, besides that FF issue where she says that she´s never done it, but was called a liar by Alicia?

Sentry

Hooraydiation wrote: »

See now, that guy you quoted was a total asshole.

This one seems pretty crassly commercial, and Loeb himself talks about how much money he imagined it would make, money that to the best of my knowledge will be going directly to Jeph Loeb as opposed to some charity in the loving memory of his son. Who, in case you haven't heard, died a couple of years ago. Which means that Loeb can write about deaths. Did you know that? His son died. That is why he can write about Captain America. It is a lot like Jeph Loeb's son dying. Did you know his son died?

I mean, last I checked, it wasn't a given that writers take home a percentage from each issue sold, so money that Fallen Son was expected to make probably wouldn't be heading for Loeb's pockets.

I also fail to see what's so wrong about Loeb referencing the loss in his own life when writing a series of books dealing exclusively with loss. Unless Loeb came up with the idea for the series himself, and I doubt he can take full credit unless he came up with the idea to kill Captain America, he's hardly milking his personal tragedy for fame and fortune. Instead, he was just explaining what he brings to the table on top of speculating how many issues a series about the death of Captain America would sell.

Agreed completely... there isn't enough lime in the world for this. It makes me so mad when people get all fucking cynical when a writer references or uses an important or tragic moment in their life to fucking improve their writing and story telling ability. People who spew that shit have obviously never created anything of any value in their life, and only seem to get joy out of mocking another persons pain. So, whoever wrote that can crawl back to the talkback boards at AICN with the other bottom feeders and dregs of humanity.

Hooraydiation

She should have cheated on Reed long ago, but fans would never consent to an interpretation of the character that allows for infidelity.

LockeCole

Sentry wrote: »

Hooraydiation wrote: »

See now, that guy you quoted was a total asshole.

This one seems pretty crassly commercial, and Loeb himself talks about how much money he imagined it would make, money that to the best of my knowledge will be going directly to Jeph Loeb as opposed to some charity in the loving memory of his son. Who, in case you haven't heard, died a couple of years ago. Which means that Loeb can write about deaths. Did you know that? His son died. That is why he can write about Captain America. It is a lot like Jeph Loeb's son dying. Did you know his son died?

I mean, last I checked, it wasn't a given that writers take home a percentage from each issue sold, so money that Fallen Son was expected to make probably wouldn't be heading for Loeb's pockets.

I also fail to see what's so wrong about Loeb referencing the loss in his own life when writing a series of books dealing exclusively with loss. Unless Loeb came up with the idea for the series himself, and I doubt he can take full credit unless he came up with the idea to kill Captain America, he's hardly milking his personal tragedy for fame and fortune. Instead, he was just explaining what he brings to the table on top of speculating how many issues a series about the death of Captain America would sell.

Agreed completely... there isn't enough lime in the world for this. It makes me so mad when people get all fucking cynical when a writer references or uses an important or tragic moment in their life to fucking improve their writing and story telling ability. People who spew that shit have obviously never created anything of any value in their life, and only seem to get joy out of mocking another persons pain. So, whoever wrote that can crawl back to the talkback boards at AICN with the other bottom feeders and dregs of humanity.

I don't think people would be so commenty about it except that this is the second series of comics where he talks about it at length. I don't really think is wrong, but I do find it vaugely creepy and probably unhealthy for him.

Hooraydiation

2 isn't a big number. In fact, it's the loneliest number since the number 1.

Sentry

LockeCole wrote: »

I don't think people would be so commenty about it except that this is the second series of comics where he talks about it at length. I don't really think is wrong, but I do find it vaugely creepy and probably unhealthy for him.

Stephen King had such a hard time dealing with his near death experience that he wrote himself into two of his own books. People deal with shit in weird and different ways... famous people just have to do it in public... if he we're dealing with it like Frank Castle, then maybe I would see a problem... but simply writing about grief and loss in a comic book where a major iconic figure just died? That seems perfectly normal to me.