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SephSeph Registered User regular
edited June 2007 in Social Entropy++
So, I really like this Propel {GATORADE} vitamin water mix. It has a few vitamins, but it makes the water in the area which i live tolerable. The water usually tastes like chlorine, so this makes it drinkable.

anywayyys

it's got teh sucraloses in it

now i know some people says it causes brain rabies (cancer)

but what doesn't? ;-)

so do you think sucralose is a good thing to drink if it helps you drink water

or am i ingesting government population control powder projekt zk9-ascension

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  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Drinking your own urine keeps you young.

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Maybe you should become the CANADIAN CRIPPLER to make up for the sucrose.

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  • Forever ZefiroForever Zefiro cloaked in the midnight glory of an event horizonRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Wait why would sucrose cause cancer, it's just sugar

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  • FramlingFramling FaceHead Geebs has bad ideas.Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I was under the impression that fructose is the one that sucks, while sucrose sucks less.

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    i meant sucralose my bad

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  • FramlingFramling FaceHead Geebs has bad ideas.Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I don't know what that is.

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  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    "An intensely sweet, heat-stable derivative of sucrose that contains no calories."

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Artificial sweetener makes me feel like crap. Have you considered bottled water? Most supermarkets have their own brand that costs about 20 cents a bottle in a case of 20 or so.

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Sucralose is an artificial sweetener known by the trade name Splenda and the generic Altern. In the European Union, it is also known under the E number (additive code) E955. It is 320 to 1,000 times sweeter than sucrose (table sugar),[2] making it roughly twice as sweet as saccharin and four times as sweet as aspartame. Unlike aspartame it is stable under heat and over a broad range of pH conditions and can be used in baking or in products that require a longer shelf life.

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Sucralose has been accepted by several national and international food safety regulatory bodies, including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Joint Food and Agriculture Organization/World Health Organization Expert Committee on Food Additives, The European Union's Scientific Committee on Food, Health Protection Branch of Health and Welfare Canada and Food Standards Australia-New Zealand (FSANZ). The acceptable daily intake for sucralose is 9 mg/kg of body weight (bw) per day.[8] (Note that Splenda is mostly maltodextrin.)

    “In determining the safety of sucralose, the FDA reviewed data from more than 110 studies in humans and animals. Many of the studies were designed to identify possible toxic effects including carcinogenic, reproductive and neurological effects. No such effects were found, and FDA's approval is based on the finding that sucralose is safe for human consumption.”[9]

    Concerns have been raised about the effect of sucralose on the thymus, an organ that is important to the immune system. A report from NICNAS cites two studies on rats, both of which found "a significant decrease in mean thymus weight" at a certain dose.[10] The sucralose dosages which caused the thymus gland effects referenced in the NICNAS report was 3000 mg/kg bw/day for 28 days. For an 80 kg (176 lb) human, this would mean a 28-day intake of 240 grams of sucralose, which is equivalent to more than 20,000 individual Splenda packets/day for approximately one month. The dose required to provoke any immunological response was 750 mg/kg bw/day,[11] or 60 grams of sucralose per day, which is more than 5,000 Splenda packets/day (there are 11.9 mg of sucralose in a 1g retail packet of Splenda). These and other studies were considered by regulators before concluding that sucralose was safe. However, because some ingested sucralose is broken down and absorbed by the body there is concern that chronic consumption may lead to thymus shrinkage or other side-effects.

    Chlorine atoms are covalently bonded to the carbon atoms in the sucralose molecule, making it a chlorocarbon. Although many chlorocarbons are toxic, sucralose is not known to be toxic in small quantities and is extremely insoluble in fat, so it can not accumulate in fat like most chlorinated hydrocarbons. In addition sucralose does not break down or dechlorinate.[12]

    The bulk of sucralose ingested does not leave the gastrointestinal tract and is directly excreted in the feces while 11-27% of it is absorbed.[2] The amount that is absorbed from the GI tract is largely removed from the blood stream by the kidneys and excreted in the urine with 20-30% of the absorbed sucralose being metabolized.[2] Sucralose is digestible by a number of microorganisms and is broken down once released into the environment.[citation needed]

    Critics of sucralose often favor natural alternatives, including xylitol (birch sugar widely used during World War II and in sugar-free chewing gum in Europe), maltitol, thaumatin, isomalt (popular in some European countries), and Stevia, which is widely used in Japan (in the U.S., it may be sold as a dietary supplement but not as a food additive). Stevia is controversial, however. The United States' FDA has not approved it as a food additive because of toxicity concerns. Xylitol and other sugar alcohols are non-toxic, but can only be consumed with careful restriction of quantity because of their laxative effects when the body's daily threshold has been reached.

    Splenda usually contains 95% dextrose (the "right-handed" isomer of glucose - see Dextrorotation and Chirality), which the body readily metabolizes. The safety information that many specialists and the media give to consumers is that Splenda is safe to ingest as a diabetic sugar substitute "free of problems".

    [edit] Criticisms and controversy

    Much of the concern over the safety of sucralose is not based on experimental evidence showing harm, but is rather based upon the absence of long-term health studies in humans proving its safety. The basis for demanding such strict burden of proof derives from the class of chemical the sucralose molecule belongs to: the organochlorides (chlorocarbons). Since some organochlorides are known to cause adverse health effects in extremely small concentrations (as little as the parts-per-billion level in drinking water), critics of sucralose feel the extra-high burden of proof is warranted.

    However, many chemists believe that such arguments unduly exaggerate the risk associated with organochlorides. For example, numerous organochlorides are found in naturally occuring food sources. In addition, polyvinyl chloride, is a member of the organochloride family that has been commonly used to form pipes for conveying potable water for several decades. Given the ubiquity of these and other organochlorides and the absence of evidence of any harm caused by these organochlorides, chemists argue that a higher burden of proof on safety for organochlorides as a class is inappropriate.

    Certain members of the sweetener industry have claimed that the advertising of Splenda is deceptive. For example, the sugar industry has filed a formal complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. Taking issue with Splenda's advertising slogan, “made from sugar, so it tastes like sugar” the Sugar Association states that "Splenda is not a natural product. It is not cultivated or grown and it does not occur in nature." McNeil Nutritionals, the manufacturer of Splenda, has responded that its "advertising represents the products in an accurate and informative manner and complies with applicable advertising rules in the countries where Splenda brand products are marketed." The consumer advocacy group Citizens for Health has filed a petition with the FDA. They have asked the FDA to withdraw its approval of Splenda pending additional investigation of claimed side effects such as stomach pain and other digestion problems.[13] The U.S. Sugar Association has also started a web site where they put forward their criticism of sucralose.[14] The Sugar Association’s allegations revolve around three essential points:

    1. Sucralose is a chlorocarbon
    2. Up to 27% of sucralose that is ingested is absorbed into the body by the digestive system
    3. Long-term human studies with sucralose have not been performed.

    The world's largest retailer of natural and organic foods (Whole Foods Market), made an official policy of not carrying products containing sucralose in any of its outlets. The retailer’s statement regarding this decision made allegations revolving around five essential points:

    1. Sucralose is an artificial substance, some of which is absorbed by the body
    2. Pre-approval tests indicated a potential for toxicity
    3. Sucralose is a chlorinated compound (a chlorocarbon)
    4. Independent, controlled human studies had not been performed
    5. Long-term human studies with sucralose had not been performed.[15]

    According to Food and Diet's website, numerous claims have been filed about possible side effect complaints by users of sucralose-containing products, including Diet Rite cola. Complaints and suspicions mused on the site of possible side effects of prolonged use of sucralose have included drug-like feelings of disorientation and confusion, headaches, depression, anxiety, diarrhea, extreme fatigue, and more.[16]

    In May 2007, a French court ruled that the commercial messages used by McNeil for the marketing of Splenda were misleading. The slogans "Because it comes from sugar, sucralose tastes like sugar" and "With sucralose: Comes from sugar and tastes like sugar" were banned by the Commercial Court of Paris[17].

    [edit] Litigation between the makers of Splenda and Equal

    In 2006 Merisant, the maker of Equal, filed suit against McNeil Nutritionals in federal court in Philadelphia alleging that Splenda's tagline "Made from sugar, so it tastes like sugar," is false and misleading and Merisant's website calls it an urban myth. McNeil argued during the trial that it had never deceived consumers or set out to deceive them, since the product did in fact start out with sugar. Merisant asked that McNeil be ordered to surrender profits and modify its advertising. The case ended with an agreement reached outside of court, with undisclosed settlement conditions.[18] The lawsuit was the latest move in a long-simmering dispute. In 2004, Merisant filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau regarding McNeil's advertising. McNeil alleged that Merisant's complaint was in retaliation for a ruling in federal court in Puerto Rico, which forced Merisant to stop packaging Equal in packages resembling Splenda's. McNeil filed suit in Puerto Rico seeking a ruling which would declare its advertising to not be misleading. Following Merisant's lawsuit in Philadelphia, McNeil agreed to a jury trial and to the dismissal of its lawsuit in Puerto Rico.[19]

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    fuck scarlets you just shit data all over the thread now no one will answer my questions =/

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  • KovakKovak did a lot of drugs married cher?Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    my friend just made a forum account oh god

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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    say hello to reaper for me Seph!

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    tell him to ask where to find hentais and if anyone knows about hentais

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Seph wrote: »
    fuck scarlets you just shit data all over the thread now no one will answer my questions =/

    Exactly.

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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    that fucker owes me 10 dollars

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Jordyn wrote: »
    say hello to reaper for me Seph!

    what is your opinion on sucralose jordyn?

    we all die eventually? meh? health sword activate?

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    fuck scarlets why the hate then

    do you want me to not learn

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I want you to suck on sucralose till you die, Seph
    Die in my arms

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  • SoupSoup Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I wouldn't care much really

    just add it

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    die in your arms

    are you some kind of goth

    that sounds like goth lyrics to me

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Seph wrote: »
    Jordyn wrote: »
    say hello to reaper for me Seph!

    what is your opinion on sucralose jordyn?

    we all die eventually? meh? health sword activate?

    I'm a pretty meh person on a lot of things, Seph.


    And sucralose is one of those things.

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007

    you want me to orgasm on you or vice versa?

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  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    1987 was a good year.

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Seph wrote: »

    you want me to orgasm on you or vice versa?

    Let's come together.

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    1987 was a good year.

    I was born that year! :t:

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    haha I always forget you're a little kid scarlet

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    haha I always forget you're a little kid scarlet

    I'm 20 yeaws owd:x

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    haha I always forget you're a little kid scarlet

    I'm 20 yeaws owd:x

    haha not even old enough to drink yet

    not that that's stopped you

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    haha I always forget you're a little kid scarlet

    I'm 20 yeaws owd:x

    haha not even old enough to drink yet

    not that that's stopped you

    21 is pretty arbitrary when I can be 18 and torture some dudes who wear towels on their heads in the name of 'Merica.

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    oh wait the correct argument is I can die for my country at 18
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    these colors don't run

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    scarlet what are you still doing up

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    haha I always forget you're a little kid scarlet

    I'm 20 yeaws owd:x

    haha not even old enough to drink yet

    not that that's stopped you

    21 is pretty arbitrary when I can be 18 and torture some dudes who wear towels on their heads in the name of 'Merica.

    don't get political with me, young man

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Seph wrote: »
    scarlet what are you still doing up

    YOU AND I ARE THE SAME AGE, FAGGOT

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  • ThaoxThaox Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Seph wrote: »
    Sucralose is an artificial sweetener known by the trade name Splenda and the generic Altern. In the European Union, it is also known under the E number (additive code) E955. It is 320 to 1,000 times sweeter than sucrose (table sugar),[2] making it roughly twice as sweet as saccharin and four times as sweet as aspartame. Unlike aspartame it is stable under heat and over a broad range of pH conditions and can be used in baking or in products that require a longer shelf life.

    I've seen those results that said Splenda put holes in the brains of mice. The proportions of spenda they gave to the mice was ridiculous in relation to their size and the amount of sugar any normal human being would ingest. I haven't seen a repeat study done either.

    Basically you should be fine unless you ingest 1/10'th of your body weight in splenda products every day.

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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    man being old enough to drink for the last year and a half would have been so much more awesome if I actually enjoyed drinking alcohol

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Seph wrote: »
    scarlet what are you still doing up

    YOU AND I ARE THE SAME AGE, FAGGOT

    not likely

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Seph wrote: »
    Seph wrote: »
    scarlet what are you still doing up

    YOU AND I ARE THE SAME AGE, FAGGOT

    not likely

    Man weren't we talking about dorm posters when I was a freshman in like 2005
    but you were implying that you had a dorm too

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  • SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    i live in an apartment

    we were discussing pieces of art

    not dorm posters

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