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Architecture Rocks. Except for Stupid Po-Mo Bullshit.
Podly
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PC, I had an argument with my friend, saying that
is the most pomo building in New York
You got anything more out there?
is the most pomo building in New York
You got anything more out there?
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What makes that building pomo, out of curiosity? The only word I can use to describe it is "pretty." Maybe "curvy."
That's not very pomo at all, as evidenced by the fact that I like it.
Here's something much more pomo, assuming it actually exists and is in New York.
Looks like an Alien spaceship materialised into a nice old building.
Separate, quite nice. Together? Ywch y fi.
"Pomo" is elitist-speak for "ugly and masturbatory".
Its uniqueness is being added to its own.
Oh, right. I thought you meant porno-hot. Or something.
http://www.ocad.ca/about_ocad/campus.htm
took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
Woah-ho. That thing is ugly with a capital UGLY.
More ugly Toronto architecture - the modernist Robarts Library at U of T.
Being an English major I know all about elitist-speak and pomo specifically
But I'm not sure how it applies to architecture, especially architecture that looks, for the most part, pretty standard
Unlike the hideous thing that is the ROM
Edit: well great, now I look like an idiot for spacing my post out without doing so ironically
That one's not so bad. It looks kind of dystopiany.
On the black screen
I like the OCAD expansion a lot. It looks amazing in person.
I like the ROM expansion too.
took out her barrettes and her hair spilled out like rootbeer
Apparently it's supposed to look like a bird. It kinda doesn't.
Ontario Museum isn't PoMo nor is the Campus one, those are both Decon. Toronto's looks like it might be made during the transition from Modernism to PoMo or potentially a post modernist approach towards modernism that fails at it.
As far as NYC is concerned, Podly, the most PoMo building is one of Johnson's, of course.
It looks sort of like a post-modernist's interpretation of a post-modernist bird.
It's a pomohawk.
. . . wait, is it still under construction in that middle shot, or is that the final product?
:P
Am I doing this right?
@PC: I suppose, but I always thought that a big tenant of architecture after 1970 was detachment from the outside system and creation of a self-reliant environment. I've always used the model that modernism saw architecture as it saw the human body - all the organs are separate, but cannot subsist on their own - the organs are nothing without the body. So too is architecture: individual buildings are their own, but need to be completely integrated within their environs. PoMo architecture, however, views the bodies as seperate entities forced together - mitochondrea, who have their own DNA, yet exist in the body.
Also, I didn't know that Decon and PoMo could be seperated.
Moniker - you're sig keeps reminding me that I sort of wish I had done architecture. Mainly because I'd like to design buildings with gardens on the roof. For the environmental benefits alone they should be far more common nowadays. Plus of course camouflage, you know, just in case.
I think I walked on that building when I was playing Spider-Man 2 for the Xbox
No, that's the final product.
It's a nightmarish maze of steel and concrete, stretching its cyclopean spires towards the foul heavens that spawned it.
UCD fraternities haze by dropping someone in the middle of the building blindfolded and letting them find their way out.
moniker: I know it's more modern than pomo, but I was just throwing out pics of weird and vaguely horrible buildings.
Man, what?! Modernism told the building's context to go fuck itself all across the site. They were designed in a void and placed upon the location with a universalist aesthetic that takes nothing in the region into account. Some of the better architects of the type did use local micro-climate effectively and did give a shit about solar angles, natural ventilation, and the like but most did not. Mies embodies that to a T with his skyscrapers that had all glass cladding on all 4 sides and to hell with the southern exposure. We've got bigass air conditioners it can solve all of my mistakes. Some of Corb's designs were responsive to the area of the site, like the Marseilles block and his monastary, but plenty of others put the aesthetic quality above and beyond the environment around it. Particularly his Radiant City as evidenced by Chandigrah.
Essentially it's to make a joke with the building through architectural stylings and design that other people who are versed in arch history, or people who aren't at times, will be able to understand. When a building is shaped like it's name implies, that's a PoMo building. It's huge in Vegas and amusement parks such as some of the crappier new hotels in Disney, many of which were designed by Michael Graves who can choke on a dick.
The roof is covered with massive eggs and darts which is an ancient motif that was common all the way up to the 40's and 50's when modernism took over. Not everybody knew what it meant, but hey the Greeks did it so let's keep copying them. It's PoMo because it takes that to an idiotic extreme in order to mock the use of the motif prior when it wasn't really needed. It means fertility/verility by the by.
Also, green roofs are starting to explode onto the scene. Chicago requires almost all new construction to have them and, thanks to their economic benefits, most places are putting them up as well just because it's well worth the upfront cost. Wal~Mart has them, or brown roofs, on all their new buildings supposedly. I don't get why it's taken this long for people to use them. Ever since I read the Hobbit I've wanted to have a garden/yard on the roof.
Sometimes a long rectangular object is just a long rectangular object.
...however, when it has a half-sphere to either side...
That being the case, what the hell is the "joke" that Podly's original building is trying to convey? "Ha ha curves!"?
There isn't one. I don't really see how it's PoMo unless there's something interesting about it in plan view or on the inside. I think he's confusing everything that's come after 'modernist architecture' with PoMo architecture which simply isn't the case. Plus a lot of newer buildings don't really have a category they fit in other than 'good' or 'bad' or 'dude, wtf.'
I think moniker's definition of Postmodern architecture is pretty limited, but I am really afraid to say it because I know absolutely nothing, save for a few blips here and there, whereas he has like a thousand degrees and wears cool suits.
I always interpreted pomo as "weird for the sake of being weird", which is somewhat looser than moniker's definition, and encompasses stupid buildings like this one:
It started out as a means of later modernist design with was hoped to address the shortfalls of modernism but then it basically decided to hell with formalization and went with Venturi to strange new places. You might be confusing late modernism with post modernism. PoMo is meant to be oranmented, stylistic, and witty. Often making a statement about the building, it's use, or just for the hell of it in a fairly literal manner.