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World War Hulk Thread: Non-Retarded Version
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So it's completely insignificant that he walked to the front door, and knocked. He could have had his ship blow the mansion to bits, he could have jumped from said ship with enough force to land in the lower levels. Or he could have come through the wall. Instead of noticing that he knocked when they know he can't be stopped, that would imply he had intentions other than smashing. Plus, Xavier has a pair of legs that work now, so he could have come up, tried to zap Hulk's mind, and then they would have ended up right where it ended but without the fight. Xavier could have read his intentions before he even came to the door, and told Henry to stand down.
He didn't name Charles as someone he wanted to kill, and it appears he didn't kill Black Bolt yet. He's doing a bunch of very un - Hulklike things. He's setting up -diplomatic relations- for God's sake. He's actually making an effort to talk things out, which happens how often? Never? Once every 20-30 years of our time?
So far he keeps showing up at places and people are expecting to fight, he starts to talk and they're "Um....Hulk, we kinda came here to fight." He sighs, slaps them around, then gets to finish what he was saying. If he wanted to kill anyone other then the 4 people he has trouble finding (well 2 now, assuming Stark was really in the suit), they'd be dead.
I think the point was that Hulk's regeneration is strong enough that Elixir can't kill him like that. He can only slow down the healing.
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Thats what I got, but I know jack shit about most of the younger mutants.
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Yeah. He still stared the fight. He said he wanted Charles. Beast pretty reasonably assumed that what he wanted was bad. That doesn't give him the right to start beating on people standing in his way, because he has absolutely no right to even be there making demands in the first place.
Yeah, well Charles is no coward so I have to assume he was looking after the other kids and got there as fast as he could. It was essentially an excuse for a superhero fight. I don't see it making Hulk look any better, though.
Whoopde fucking shit. Beast and the others turn on the TV and see he's here to smash. He shows up at the front door forcibly asking for Xavier. And notice HE DIDN'T SAY HE WAS THERE TO TALK. What else should everyone in the mansion assume? He's there for tea? So he was willing to demand someone before he started hitting people. So he didn't just nuke the site from orbit. Big deal.
I haven't been reading much of the other Planet Hulk stuff, but I really don't see how this is relevant to this particular situation. He wants Xavier. He has no right to Xavier. The people there were well within their rights to both protect Xavier and their home. Hulk was willing to wade through those kids and throw a girl through a wall who MIGHT have a healing factor for no good reason. So fuck him, in this instance.
he ended up inside the m'kraan crystal on their shiar stuff.
he popped back out with powers.
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Can't everyone see everyone's being a complete douchebag in the Marvel Universe right now?
De-powered and shunned Charles was kinda interesting.
Sigh, good things never last.
He'll probably get his back broken any day now.
It's a great even so far due to that... sure the shady areas are kind of cliche in this day and age, but the Hulk is one of the few original characters who fit the type.
As for his X-Men tie in, depending on what point Beast and the others saw the Hulks message, they may very well have known he was there for retribution against a very select number of people.
Most Hero's react badly to the Hulk because they see him as a rampaging monster, but not all of them do. I was surprised Wolverine actually went to fight him, since usually he's sympathetic to the hulk. I remember one issue where he dragged an unconscious Hulk to the mansion and everyone flipped out and insisted that he be restrained, etc. Only Logan was saying to treat him like a person and he won't get upset and they were making a mistake. When he woke up in restraints and broke out of the place, Logan's reaction was basically "I told you so".
That's kind of the point of WWH in my mind.Those who treat the Hulk as an equal, as a person, are fine... they have nothing to fear from him. Those that see him as nothing but a monster, a "problem" to be solved, have plenty to fear when they try and impose themselves on him.
Even Banner fit into this... he feared the Hulk when he saw him as a monster... I'd like to see where they take Banner's view of the Hulk after this. He's accepted his fate as the Hulk it seems, but does he accept the Hulk as an equal part of him? That could change the nature of the stories considerably if he was was no longer simply resigned to being the Hulk, but also approving of his motives and supportive of his actions (at least to a point).
I'd assume Prof X was trying just that, or similar... when he tried to access the Hulks mind all he was met with was a wall of rage that caused a debilitating backlash for everyone in the area. On top of that he added the "always been difficult" portion since the Hulks mind is rather unique.
As for the guy that shorted out his healing factor, as someone here noted, I don't think it's possible for him to kill the Hulk due to the healing factor, so they simply tried to overload it so that others could hurt him and have it stick... which worked for a couple minutes at most.
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Hulk is full of win.
Don't you still need to be obscenely strong or have adamantium claws to injure him?
Pretty much, they did have X-23 there. I'm not sure how strong Rockslide is supposed to be, although he got taken out pretty easy (and amusingly). Wonder how long it'll take them to find his arms.
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Yes, but it seems like everyone and their uncle can hurt/cut people who are "near invulnerable"... so I'm sure half that team or more would somehow be able to damage him if it were a full on fight.
And even those who aren't super durable can be thrown through buildings if it looks good.
Although this is a good question, has the Hulk's 'near invulnerablity' always been just being really tough, or his healing factor? Because during planet hulk, even after he recovered his strength, he seemed to bleed a lot, he just regenerates really freaking quick.
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Well isn't the no-prize explanation that Wolverine has increased strength since his healing factor allows his body to build up and support a whole skeleton of adamantium? Feel like I heard that somewhere. Dunno how this works for X-whatever, on account that she doesn't look like she can enter the junior female bodybuilder circuit.
As for Planet Hulk, Pak has stated that regardless of the strength siphoning portal, everything on Sakaar was stronger than Earth; the people, the metals, etc. So let's say the warriors there were below Spider-Man level strength, and they're chucking spears with metal the equivalent to a vibranium enforced titanium. This is why I need to see the Warbound. I mean,
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Like many "ultra strong" persona's... it's less dramatic if they never get hurt, so over the years he's gone from never getting hurt, to getting hurt rarely and healing it quickly, to getting hurt all the damned time and healing quickly.
He never really recovered his strength and durability fully until the very end of Planet Hulk.. not to say that his rage induced feat of holding the plates together after the Red Kings bomb wasn't strong, but his base level wasn't where it should have been until after the warp explosion (same with healing, hence why he had the scar for so long).
As for the people and tech on that planet being more formidable.. That's easily plausible given the higher standard of tech used by those in control... everyone there was basically using what amounts to Reed Richard throwaways... by that I mean their tech was advanced as compared to humans, but not the ultra science of Richards.. who himself seems to create things beyond the scope of far more advanced people.
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I dunno, maybe if I'd followed Hulk more pre-Planet I'd care about the characters in this, but I just kinda hope they all get smashed.
Yeah, can someone help me out with these people? I was hoping for more smashing.
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This is sad.
Also, when the fuck are we going to see the story moving forward? Much as I like to see Iron Man get smashed, I'm ready to see something other than Hulk standing over smashed armor for the 5th time.
Still, X-men and Frontline have promise, and despite bitching above, I've generally enjoyed the tieins.
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This fight ends in a second: Shadowcat phases him into the earth, and while he's healing, they put him into any of a billion stasis technologies they have.
Well, he did mess Ord up.
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