you can't say that sandbox games have to cut down on graphics due to size, because wether you enjoyed it or not, assassin's creeds visuals are very impressive.
Assasins creed is extremely simple in terms of what you can do.
Can you blow up that crowd of people?
Can you drive a car towards the crowd at high speed then jump out, and wach it munch everyone in it's path?
Are there bullets flying everywhere with two police choppers flying above you shining spotlights down?
Are there a huge veriety of missions?
Etc etc etc ?
Once you're doing all these things in GTA4 it will look great.
I will address you one by one:
No, you can not blow up everyone, but you can have 20+ guards chasing after you with the crowd reacting to every move you make.
Yes, you can "drive" your horse into a crowd of people and jump off of it and watch your horse to continue to run over people
Yes, there are arrows flying everywhere with 20+ people chasing you
Missions don't become active until you get to the mission point in GTA. Unless they changed that, your statement means nothing.
From a purely visual stand point, assassin's creed > GTA4. not to mention assassin's creed (at least on the 360) has zero slow downs, I needed 4 hands in order to count the slow downs in that GTA trailer.
To put it simply.
More STUFF = Worse Graphics.
You only have so much space on that disk, and you allocate some of the space to audio/video, programming, etc etc. The rest is left for your graphics engine.
GTA4 is almost guarenteed to have more stuff than Asassins Creed. I'm talking Audio/Video, programming, and the hopfully massive gameworld uninterrupted by loadscreens.
People are actually saying that graphically this game looks poor?
Wow. Just wow.
Not poor, but certainly not the best or quality it's hyped to be
and Bacon, your defensive fanboy is showing
Shit really?
I'll shut up then.
But honestly this is true for all games not just GTA.
@Assassin's creed guy- you ever actually look at those NPC models? Some of those faces could be from a ps1 game. Oh yeah, and all those citizens don't do jack shit other than one or 2 lines/interactions.
They removed planes??? the city is too small for them???
WTF. I loved flying around in SA. LOVED.
You had three cities in SA, with airports in each one. We have one city in IV, with one airport. Planes wouldn't make any goddamn sense.
With no planes.
MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
Oh, I'm sure the airport will have planes in it. You just can't get into them and fly them around. Makes perfect sense.
Right. Theres an airport, theres planes. But having planes fly wouldn't 'make any goddamn sense'. Thats some retarded logic right there.
It's very simple, YOU don't get to fly the planes.
And it "wouldn't make any goddamn sense" if you could fly the planes.
Each time I read that it seems even more retarded.
As David_T just pointed out, has your dude had training? I doubt it. That would be a rather futile pursuit then, no?
And, as has been stated, where abouts would you land said plane? I don't see too many commercial airliners taking off and doing laps of cities, but maybe that's just because I'm incapable of looking up. Do enlighten.
It's very simple, YOU don't get to fly the planes.
And it "wouldn't make any goddamn sense" if you could fly the planes.
Each time I read that it seems even more retarded.
It wouldn't, because there's no place to fly the planes to. But for simplicity:
The main character doesn't have the extensive flight training needed to fly planes.
You apologists are looking at this issue wotng: If the city is not big enough, THEN MAKE A FUCKING BIGGER CITY. Make it a state, I don't care. Flying planes is FUN. That's all that matters.
And cj also didn't have any training, then he went to airplane school. fool.
It's very simple, YOU don't get to fly the planes.
And it "wouldn't make any goddamn sense" if you could fly the planes.
Each time I read that it seems even more retarded.
It wouldn't, because there's no place to fly the planes to. But for simplicity:
The main character doesn't have the extensive flight training needed to fly planes.
You apologists are looking at this issue wotng: If the city is not big enough, THEN MAKE A FUCKING BIGGER CITY. Make it a state, I don't care. Flying planes is FUN. That's all that matters.
And cj also didn't have any training, then he went to airplane school. fool.
This is the most assinine argument. "planes don't just fly around cities". I don't care. It's GTA. I want to fly around a city. I want to tool about in planes and jump out and parachute. If you don't, I don't care.
What if you COULD fly planes.Some retard 13 year old would tape himself flying his plane into a skyscraper.And then everyone in the media would be on it because OMG Its A Jihad training simulator!
It's very simple, YOU don't get to fly the planes.
And it "wouldn't make any goddamn sense" if you could fly the planes.
Each time I read that it seems even more retarded.
It wouldn't, because there's no place to fly the planes to. But for simplicity:
The main character doesn't have the extensive flight training needed to fly planes.
You apologists are looking at this issue wotng: If the city is not big enough, THEN MAKE A FUCKING BIGGER CITY. Make it a state, I don't care. Flying planes is FUN. That's all that matters.
Play Flight Simulator if the lack of planes is that big of a deal.
It's very simple, YOU don't get to fly the planes.
And it "wouldn't make any goddamn sense" if you could fly the planes.
Each time I read that it seems even more retarded.
It wouldn't, because there's no place to fly the planes to. But for simplicity:
The main character doesn't have the extensive flight training needed to fly planes.
You apologists are looking at this issue wotng: If the city is not big enough, THEN MAKE A FUCKING BIGGER CITY. Make it a state, I don't care. Flying planes is FUN. That's all that matters.
Why should the developer change the entire design of the game to just accommodate planes? There are plenty of reasons why they can't make the area that much bigger.
It's very simple, YOU don't get to fly the planes.
And it "wouldn't make any goddamn sense" if you could fly the planes.
Each time I read that it seems even more retarded.
It wouldn't, because there's no place to fly the planes to. But for simplicity:
The main character doesn't have the extensive flight training needed to fly planes.
You apologists are looking at this issue wotng: If the city is not big enough, THEN MAKE A FUCKING BIGGER CITY. Make it a state, I don't care. Flying planes is FUN. That's all that matters.
Why should the developer change the entire design of the game to just accommodate planes? There are plenty of reasons why they can't make the area that much bigger.
Only they would not be changing the entire design of anything. Why can't it be bigger? Because of load times or disk space? Well, SA was possible with a lot less RAM and Disk space. So there. If the "better" graphics are the obstacle, then there is something wrong with the engine or the implementation.
It's very simple, YOU don't get to fly the planes.
And it "wouldn't make any goddamn sense" if you could fly the planes.
Each time I read that it seems even more retarded.
It wouldn't, because there's no place to fly the planes to. But for simplicity:
The main character doesn't have the extensive flight training needed to fly planes.
You apologists are looking at this issue wotng: If the city is not big enough, THEN MAKE A FUCKING BIGGER CITY. Make it a state, I don't care. Flying planes is FUN. That's all that matters.
Why should the developer change the entire design of the game to just accommodate planes? There are plenty of reasons why they can't make the area that much bigger.
Only they would not be changing the entire design of anything. Why can't it be bigger? Because of load times or disk space? Well, SA was possible with a lot less RAM and Disk space. So there. If the "better" graphics are the obstacle, then there is something wrong with the engine or the implementation.
Or because bigger =/= better. One of SA's problems was that it was really really big, and most of the game map was empty. I know I never felt as attached to a city in SA like I was Liberty City, and Rockstar felt the same way so they've decided to make a really great city rather than 3 ok cities.
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I will laugh if they give you a model plane flying mission with a mini gun. Here's your plane. Now leave us alone, we have a city to extensively detail.
Seriously, ridiculous "flight training" justifications aside, sometimes things aren't in because it would end up being detrimental to the game, or result in the game taking umpteen zillion years to create.
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yeah, flying awesome planes around sure is detrimental to the game
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Coding them to be awesome takes resources away from other parts of the development team, or adds time to the project.
If they do a half ass job to get them in without sacrificing other aspects of the development life cycle, people will go "Wtf the planes in GTAIV SUCK BALLS !X!X!XX! DIS GAME SUXXXSSS"
So they can endure complaining by doing nothing, or they can endure complaining by making the game take longer to make and pushing it back even further, or they can endure complaining for throwing in something half assed.
Which one would you choose, if people were going to complain no matter which one you chose? I'd choose the one with less effort, and focus on the rest of the game.
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This is the most assinine argument. "planes don't just fly around cities". I don't care. It's GTA. I want to fly around a city. I want to tool about in planes and jump out and parachute. If you don't, I don't care.
Yeah, but it doesn't fit with the direction they're taking in the game, and helicopters are good enough anyhow. I'm not going to pitch a fit because they removed something for the sake of coherent direction until I've actually seen where they're going with it.
Besides, the planes kind of sucked a lot in SA. They were mostly a huge pain in the ass, even the harrier. I had so much more fun with the helicopters.
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^ I don't agree with or endorse his argument in any way, and think every single point he just made is ridiculous.
I don't want anybody linking my argument to his. Just to be clear here.
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^ I don't agree with or endorse his argument in any way, and think every single point he just made is ridiculous.
I don't want anybody linking my argument to his. Just to be clear here.
Okay, so long as you're comfortable with everyone knowing that you're definitely an idiot and that there's no chance you might have been driving at a more reasonable position.
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^ I don't agree with or endorse his argument in any way, and think every single point he just made is ridiculous.
I don't want anybody linking my argument to his. Just to be clear here.
Okay, so long as you're comfortable with everyone knowing that you're definitely an idiot and that there's no chance you might have been driving at a more reasonable position.
You amuse me.
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This is the most assinine argument. "planes don't just fly around cities". I don't care. It's GTA. I want to fly around a city. I want to tool about in planes and jump out and parachute. If you don't, I don't care.
Yeah, but it doesn't fit with the direction they're taking in the game, and helicopters are good enough anyhow. I'm not going to pitch a fit because they removed something for the sake of coherent direction until I've actually seen where they're going with it.
Besides, the planes kind of sucked a lot in SA. They were mostly a huge pain in the ass, even the harrier. I had so much more fun with the helicopters.
Whatever they do, I hope they leave the vehicle training missions to Gran Turismo. The worst part of SA was having to pass the flight school before continuing the storyline.
Coding them to be awesome takes resources away from other parts of the development team, or adds time to the project.
If they do a half ass job to get them in without sacrificing other aspects of the development life cycle, people will go "Wtf the planes in GTAIV SUCK BALLS !X!X!XX! DIS GAME SUXXXSSS"
So they can endure complaining by doing nothing, or they can endure complaining by making the game take longer to make and pushing it back even further, or they can endure complaining for throwing in something half assed.
Which one would you choose, if people were going to complain no matter which one you chose? I'd choose the one with less effort, and focus on the rest of the game.
That's a big load of crappy, smelly excuses. Excuses, very bad ones. Don't pull an imaginary dilemma off your ass.
And the guy you were an asshole too had much better points, btw. I do think that choppers are a decent compromise. But i had ridiculous amounts of fun with planes in SA, I think removing them in GTA4 is a step back for the franchise, and I know I'm not the only who thinks like that.
What if you COULD fly planes.Some retard 13 year old would tape himself flying his plane into a skyscraper.And then everyone in the media would be on it because OMG Its A Jihad training simulator!
I believe this is the actual reason. GTA is an already controversial franchise. If the game had planes, you guys KNOW some retard will do this. Why would R* leave itself open to this kind of attack?
Anyway, the fact is, NO PLANES! Too bad, wait for the PC version + mods.
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Yes, this is exactly what most people have been saying for the last five pages
Right. Theres an airport, theres planes. But having planes fly wouldn't 'make any goddamn sense'. Thats some retarded logic right there.
It's very simple, YOU don't get to fly the planes.
And it "wouldn't make any goddamn sense" if you could fly the planes.
Each time I read that it seems even more retarded.
@Assassin's creed guy- you ever actually look at those NPC models? Some of those faces could be from a ps1 game. Oh yeah, and all those citizens don't do jack shit other than one or 2 lines/interactions.
You wouldn't have anywhere to land. I doubt there's even going to be a big army base.
Airports can hold Choppers too.
Edited for GameFAQs.
But after the glory of playing SA, going back to a single city is not that inspiring.
All my rampages involved a plane atleast 3 times
It wouldn't, because there's no place to fly the planes to. But for simplicity:
The main character doesn't have the extensive flight training needed to fly planes.
As David_T just pointed out, has your dude had training? I doubt it. That would be a rather futile pursuit then, no?
And, as has been stated, where abouts would you land said plane? I don't see too many commercial airliners taking off and doing laps of cities, but maybe that's just because I'm incapable of looking up. Do enlighten.
You apologists are looking at this issue wotng: If the city is not big enough, THEN MAKE A FUCKING BIGGER CITY. Make it a state, I don't care. Flying planes is FUN. That's all that matters.
And cj also didn't have any training, then he went to airplane school. fool.
Or how about a whole world!!!!
Oh that's right, it's not called GTA: Let's Fly Planes.
I'm sorry, Mario, the airplane school is in a different city.
I loved them so.
Also, even if I haven't had training, I can still try and fail badly.
Well obviously he has helicopter training. He's not a savage.
Play Flight Simulator if the lack of planes is that big of a deal.
Why should the developer change the entire design of the game to just accommodate planes? There are plenty of reasons why they can't make the area that much bigger.
Only they would not be changing the entire design of anything. Why can't it be bigger? Because of load times or disk space? Well, SA was possible with a lot less RAM and Disk space. So there. If the "better" graphics are the obstacle, then there is something wrong with the engine or the implementation.
Or because bigger =/= better. One of SA's problems was that it was really really big, and most of the game map was empty. I know I never felt as attached to a city in SA like I was Liberty City, and Rockstar felt the same way so they've decided to make a really great city rather than 3 ok cities.
Seriously, ridiculous "flight training" justifications aside, sometimes things aren't in because it would end up being detrimental to the game, or result in the game taking umpteen zillion years to create.
If they do a half ass job to get them in without sacrificing other aspects of the development life cycle, people will go "Wtf the planes in GTAIV SUCK BALLS !X!X!XX! DIS GAME SUXXXSSS"
So they can endure complaining by doing nothing, or they can endure complaining by making the game take longer to make and pushing it back even further, or they can endure complaining for throwing in something half assed.
Which one would you choose, if people were going to complain no matter which one you chose? I'd choose the one with less effort, and focus on the rest of the game.
Yeah, but it doesn't fit with the direction they're taking in the game, and helicopters are good enough anyhow. I'm not going to pitch a fit because they removed something for the sake of coherent direction until I've actually seen where they're going with it.
Besides, the planes kind of sucked a lot in SA. They were mostly a huge pain in the ass, even the harrier. I had so much more fun with the helicopters.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
I don't want anybody linking my argument to his. Just to be clear here.
Okay, so long as you're comfortable with everyone knowing that you're definitely an idiot and that there's no chance you might have been driving at a more reasonable position.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
You amuse me.
I agree 100%.
Also, a lack of planes would also mean no more cool flying cars cheat
That's a big load of crappy, smelly excuses. Excuses, very bad ones. Don't pull an imaginary dilemma off your ass.
And the guy you were an asshole too had much better points, btw. I do think that choppers are a decent compromise. But i had ridiculous amounts of fun with planes in SA, I think removing them in GTA4 is a step back for the franchise, and I know I'm not the only who thinks like that.
I believe this is the actual reason. GTA is an already controversial franchise. If the game had planes, you guys KNOW some retard will do this. Why would R* leave itself open to this kind of attack?
Anyway, the fact is, NO PLANES! Too bad, wait for the PC version + mods.