Whatever they do, I hope they leave the vehicle training missions to Gran Turismo. The worst part of SA was having to pass the flight school before continuing the storyline.
I kinda want them to get rid of that RPG levelling stuff altogether. That shit just got a bit annoying after a while.
What if you COULD fly planes.Some retard 13 year old would tape himself flying his plane into a skyscraper.And then everyone in the media would be on it because OMG Its A Jihad training simulator!
I believe this is the actual reason. GTA is an already controversial franchise. If the game had planes, you guys KNOW some retard will do this. Why would R* leave itself open to this kind of attack?
Anyway, the fact is, NO PLANES! Too bad, wait for the PC version + mods.
While this may possibly be the reason, I still can't help but laugh at "Why would R* leave itself open to this kind of [political] attack?" Have you ever heard of Rockstar? That's what they do.
Exactly when did I enter bizarro world? no seriously?
On pc at least, trying to control helicopters was like having every pubic hair burnt out by a blowtorch. Conversely, planes were fun and relaxing to just wander round the area in.
Exactly when did I enter bizarro world? no seriously?
On pc at least, trying to control helicopters was like having every pubic hair burnt out by a blowtorch. Conversely, planes were fun and relaxing to just wander round the area in.
When you started controlling GTA with a mouse and keyboard instead of a gamepad, that's when.
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Exactly when did I enter bizarro world? no seriously?
On pc at least, trying to control helicopters was like having every pubic hair burnt out by a blowtorch. Conversely, planes were fun and relaxing to just wander round the area in.
Agreed
The only helicoptersI enjoyed flying were the army ones, the hunter and the other one.
The god damn boats. So much empty space. They were pointless. Does SA ever actually force you to use a boat? I hope the waters in GTA4 are more active and the boats are more fun this time.
This is the most assinine argument. "planes don't just fly around cities". I don't care. It's GTA. I want to fly around a city. I want to tool about in planes and jump out and parachute. If you don't, I don't care.
I like how everyone pretends that the GTA series has always had airplanes and their omission is some kind of fucking travesty to the series. GTAs 1 and 2 didn't even have boats, and GTA3 had some gimped piece of shit that took a bachelor's degree to fly level. You'll all do just fine driving from one side of town to the other, QFB.
The god damn boats. So much empty space. They were pointless. Does SA ever actually force you to use a boat? I hope the waters in GTA4 are more active and the boats are more fun this time.
I remember having to use a boat to kill a traitor. I also remember not even getting a ship with guns for that mission so I was fucked when I ran out of ammo. More importantly, please tell me they are completely getting rid of the RC missions. Who the hell enjoyed those missions?
I like how everyone pretends that the GTA series has always had airplanes and their omission is some kind of fucking travesty to the series. GTAs 1 and 2 didn't even have boats, and GTA3 had some gimped piece of shit that took a bachelor's degree to fly level. You'll all do just fine driving from one side of town to the other, QFB.
I like how everyone pretends that the GTA series has always had airplanes and their omission is some kind of fucking travesty to the series. GTAs 1 and 2 didn't even have boats, and GTA3 had some gimped piece of shit that took a bachelor's degree to fly level. You'll all do just fine driving from one side of town to the other, QFB.
Didn't GTA 1 have motorcycles?
I think people sometimes forget that GTA3 was not the beginning of the series. The fact that there were 3 games that used the GTA3 engine confuses things.
Anyway, I'll toss my hat into the fuck planes, helicopters were better ring. And especially fuck that NOE mission.
Coding them to be awesome takes resources away from other parts of the development team, or adds time to the project.
If they do a half ass job to get them in without sacrificing other aspects of the development life cycle, people will go "Wtf the planes in GTAIV SUCK BALLS !X!X!XX! DIS GAME SUXXXSSS"
So they can endure complaining by doing nothing, or they can endure complaining by making the game take longer to make and pushing it back even further, or they can endure complaining for throwing in something half assed.
Which one would you choose, if people were going to complain no matter which one you chose? I'd choose the one with less effort, and focus on the rest of the game.
That's a big load of crappy, smelly excuses. Excuses, very bad ones. Don't pull an imaginary dilemma off your ass.
And the guy you were an asshole too had much better points, btw. I do think that choppers are a decent compromise. But i had ridiculous amounts of fun with planes in SA, I think removing them in GTA4 is a step back for the franchise, and I know I'm not the only who thinks like that.
It's not an imaginary dilemma unless you live in Stormwatcher land, where time and money are infinitely flexible and games are always on deadline, possible by use of a time stopping device to cram in that extra coding time.
I spoke of real issues that development teams actually fucking think about, while DrPersonalIssue spoke in terms of what he likes and dislikes...and that's about it. There's was one good line in there, it was about waiting to see how it pans out. I agree with that one. Pity he indicated he'll throw a hissy fit like a ten year old if it doesn't pan out how he likes anyway.
"Planes sucked ass anyway" is also one of my favourite justifications in the history of man. I talk, of course, in terms of things I love to hate.
I don't care if he was arguing the same thing as me, I don't want to be associated with an opinion as badly constructed as that, so I made clear of it. I'm happy with that. I'm not surprised in the least he took personal offense to someone finding an argument based on his personal opinions ridiculous. People are very protective of their opinions and I saw it coming a mile away.
Now if you, Smokeywatcher, want to discuss the finer points of systems theory and development life cycles, by all means pull up a chair. As long as you stay confined to facts and reality, I will be a pleasure to talk to, I assure you.
If you want to talk about how planes should or shouldn't be in there based on your personal opinion of liking or disliking planes, don't talk to me, as being treated as a mindless invalid often offends.
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The god damn boats. So much empty space. They were pointless. Does SA ever actually force you to use a boat? I hope the waters in GTA4 are more active and the boats are more fun this time.
I remember having to use a boat to kill a traitor. I also remember not even getting a ship with guns for that mission so I was fucked when I ran out of ammo. More importantly, please tell me they are completely getting rid of the RC missions. Who the hell enjoyed those missions?
Masochists? Actually, speaking of returning vehicles, are the peddle bikes returning? I haven't seen any in the screenshots but they were kinda fun, even if the bunny hop was ridiculously high.
What if you COULD fly planes.Some retard 13 year old would tape himself flying his plane into a skyscraper.And then everyone in the media would be on it because OMG Its A Jihad training simulator!
I believe this is the actual reason. GTA is an already controversial franchise. If the game had planes, you guys KNOW some retard will do this. Why would R* leave itself open to this kind of attack?
Anyway, the fact is, NO PLANES! Too bad, wait for the PC version + mods.
While this may possibly be the reason, I still can't help but laugh at "Why would R* leave itself open to this kind of [political] attack?" Have you ever heard of Rockstar? That's what they do.
So, you see the logic behind the statement but still refuse to accept it because you think rockstar WANTS to involve itself in expensive litigation? 9/11 is something that leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.. better to avoid controversy in that area and focus on killing hookers and police officers.
But I did have the PS2 version at one point. And I still remember the helicopters being awful to fly, though the planes weren't much better. I hope, if they're using the same controls, that the game doesn't use helis for any missions.
But I did have the PS2 version at one point. And I still remember the helicopters being awful to fly, though the planes weren't much better. I hope, if they're using the same controls, that the game doesn't use helis for any missions.
My impression from the PC games was that helicopters required a lot of small corrections to make sure you didn't tip over, but once you got that down they were pretty predictable. Planes however were easy to fly, but a nightmare to land. I don't think I ever successfully landed one. I wound either reduce it to a heap by the time I stopped on the runway because it slammed into another plane or I would bale out in midair and just ditch the plane.
This does make me wonder if the jetpack will return though. I think I had more fun with that than either planes or helicopters.
nope, I could never control the helicopters well enough to use the guns on the hydra. Dunno how I passed the school. but planes, I could do that all day, and then land em. You needed a decently straight and flat piece of ground... like a highway...
I enjoyed using all the different types of vehicles in SA. Except the bicycle. I wont miss planes in GTAIV, I can see how they wouldn't fit in with the environment really.
Planes didn't suck ass in SA. They were great. I could fly them, because I'm best. I hear they sucked on PC though.
What was the largest amount of enemy planes you shot down in one run tube?
I got 9 once in the jet, and then I had 3 on me at once and died.
Now I never get any chasing me ever
My record is like 4 in the WWII Hustler
You name something to do in a plane and I did it.
Fly upside down, trick the enemy jets into hitting nearby buildings, getting the boeing 747 was the only thing I didnt find myself.
I flew over sam sites just so I could dodge the missiles without flares.
I could control helicopters and planes like a pro. They were easy once you learned the little nuances of them.
However, I owned the PC versions of VC/SA, and I had to go running for a joypad to use them. Forget flying that shit with a keyboard. There's just no way.
Shit, the 2 best moments for me was having the perfect music on the radio cue up when I started flying. In VC, it was the beginning of "Peace sells, but who's buying" start up in sync with the Hunter's rotors. And in SA, the fast part of "Freebird" right as I turned the Hydra's nozzles from hover to jet.
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Really the trailer made me curious on the plot. I don't really know what's happening either way, but it did seem interesting.
The plots in GTA games since GTAIII have been decent, but there are too many stupid main missions that the game forces you to do. The rapper missions in GTA:SA sucked except for the part with the mansion.
Whoa whoa whoa, what happened to this game's graphics? I remember being blown away the first time I saw the GTA IV trailer, now everything looks fucking dated?
So, you see the logic behind the statement but still refuse to accept it because you think rockstar WANTS to involve itself in expensive litigation? 9/11 is something that leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.. better to avoid controversy in that area and focus on killing hookers and police officers.
I don't refuse to accept it, it's just a funny thing to say, like "Rockstar doesn't want negative publicity".
The plots in GTA games since GTAIII have been decent, but there are too many stupid main missions that the game forces you to do. The rapper missions in GTA:SA sucked except for the part with the mansion.
I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I couldn't stand the entire beginning Los Santos arc of SA. WAY too much black gangster crap. If I had to hear one more dawg, fo-sho, or n-word, I'd have lost it. Thankfully things kicked up once you hit the country and beyond.
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I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I couldn't stand the entire beginning Los Santos arc of SA. WAY too much black gangster crap. If I had to hear one more dawg, fo-sho, or n-word, I'd have lost it. Thankfully things kicked up once you hit the country and beyond.
It was a turn off for a lot of people, especially when combined with CJ caving into Sweet's bitching near the end. I can understand wanting to explore the gangbanger genre of crime stories, but it doesn't have as universal of an appeal as stuff in the vein of The Godfather and Scarface.
At least we got to leave OG Loc a broken kid by the end of the game. Damn he was an annoying twerp . . .
The plots in GTA games since GTAIII have been decent, but there are too many stupid main missions that the game forces you to do. The rapper missions in GTA:SA sucked except for the part with the mansion.
I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I couldn't stand the entire beginning Los Santos arc of SA. WAY too much black gangster crap. If I had to hear one more dawg, fo-sho, or n-word, I'd have lost it. Thankfully things kicked up once you hit the country and beyond.
The plots in GTA games since GTAIII have been decent, but there are too many stupid main missions that the game forces you to do. The rapper missions in GTA:SA sucked except for the part with the mansion.
I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I couldn't stand the entire beginning Los Santos arc of SA. WAY too much black gangster crap. If I had to hear one more dawg, fo-sho, or n-word, I'd have lost it. Thankfully things kicked up once you hit the country and beyond.
Man, you a BUSTAH
In other news no one liked Ryder
No one liked Sweet either and to add insult to the injury you have to dance to his fucking tune at the end of the game.
Because... he .. was there at the time... i guess... thats seemed to be his reason for alot of things.
Helping Catalina annoyed me the most. She was so fucking annoying and i had no reason to keep going back to fucking help her.
Catalina was a riot for me, solely for the fact that the radio had a knack for playing the perfect song for her missions. I'm convinced Rockstar has some code going on to do just that.
First time around, bank robbery mission, running from the cops back to the hideout.
Louisiana woman Mississippi man
We get together every time we can
The Mississippi River can't keep us apart
There's too much love in the Mississippi heart
Too much love in this Louisiana heart
Replayed the game a while later, same mission.
Playing with the queen of hearts,
knowing it ain't really smart
The joker ain't the only fool
who'll do anything for you
That's way too specific to be random chance.
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I kinda want them to get rid of that RPG levelling stuff altogether. That shit just got a bit annoying after a while.
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do we care that much? i hardly flew the planes in san andreas because, get this, they sucked balls and were not fun.
On pc at least, trying to control helicopters was like having every pubic hair burnt out by a blowtorch. Conversely, planes were fun and relaxing to just wander round the area in.
When you started controlling GTA with a mouse and keyboard instead of a gamepad, that's when.
Agreed
The only helicoptersI enjoyed flying were the army ones, the hunter and the other one.
The planes, I flew them all.
Also I am PS2 if that makes a difference
This.
Plus, I always enjoyed 'copters infinitely more.
It's not like its going to be SA minus the planes.
The god damn boats. So much empty space. They were pointless. Does SA ever actually force you to use a boat? I hope the waters in GTA4 are more active and the boats are more fun this time.
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You're a pretty shitty person. Spoiled brat much?
I remember having to use a boat to kill a traitor. I also remember not even getting a ship with guns for that mission so I was fucked when I ran out of ammo. More importantly, please tell me they are completely getting rid of the RC missions. Who the hell enjoyed those missions?
I think people sometimes forget that GTA3 was not the beginning of the series. The fact that there were 3 games that used the GTA3 engine confuses things.
Anyway, I'll toss my hat into the fuck planes, helicopters were better ring. And especially fuck that NOE mission.
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It's not an imaginary dilemma unless you live in Stormwatcher land, where time and money are infinitely flexible and games are always on deadline, possible by use of a time stopping device to cram in that extra coding time.
I spoke of real issues that development teams actually fucking think about, while DrPersonalIssue spoke in terms of what he likes and dislikes...and that's about it. There's was one good line in there, it was about waiting to see how it pans out. I agree with that one. Pity he indicated he'll throw a hissy fit like a ten year old if it doesn't pan out how he likes anyway.
"Planes sucked ass anyway" is also one of my favourite justifications in the history of man. I talk, of course, in terms of things I love to hate.
I don't care if he was arguing the same thing as me, I don't want to be associated with an opinion as badly constructed as that, so I made clear of it. I'm happy with that. I'm not surprised in the least he took personal offense to someone finding an argument based on his personal opinions ridiculous. People are very protective of their opinions and I saw it coming a mile away.
Now if you, Smokeywatcher, want to discuss the finer points of systems theory and development life cycles, by all means pull up a chair. As long as you stay confined to facts and reality, I will be a pleasure to talk to, I assure you.
If you want to talk about how planes should or shouldn't be in there based on your personal opinion of liking or disliking planes, don't talk to me, as being treated as a mindless invalid often offends.
Masochists? Actually, speaking of returning vehicles, are the peddle bikes returning? I haven't seen any in the screenshots but they were kinda fun, even if the bunny hop was ridiculously high.
Sometimes I Stream Games: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/italax-plays-video-games
So, you see the logic behind the statement but still refuse to accept it because you think rockstar WANTS to involve itself in expensive litigation? 9/11 is something that leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.. better to avoid controversy in that area and focus on killing hookers and police officers.
My impression from the PC games was that helicopters required a lot of small corrections to make sure you didn't tip over, but once you got that down they were pretty predictable. Planes however were easy to fly, but a nightmare to land. I don't think I ever successfully landed one. I wound either reduce it to a heap by the time I stopped on the runway because it slammed into another plane or I would bale out in midair and just ditch the plane.
This does make me wonder if the jetpack will return though. I think I had more fun with that than either planes or helicopters.
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What was the largest amount of enemy planes you shot down in one run tube?
I got 9 once in the jet, and then I had 3 on me at once and died.
Now I never get any chasing me ever
My record is like 4 in the WWII Hustler
You name something to do in a plane and I did it.
Fly upside down, trick the enemy jets into hitting nearby buildings, getting the boeing 747 was the only thing I didnt find myself.
I flew over sam sites just so I could dodge the missiles without flares.
However, I owned the PC versions of VC/SA, and I had to go running for a joypad to use them. Forget flying that shit with a keyboard. There's just no way.
Shit, the 2 best moments for me was having the perfect music on the radio cue up when I started flying. In VC, it was the beginning of "Peace sells, but who's buying" start up in sync with the Hunter's rotors. And in SA, the fast part of "Freebird" right as I turned the Hydra's nozzles from hover to jet.
Satans..... hints.....
I'm guardedly optimistic. It is GTA.
As a cheat though - Jetpack would be awesome.
I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I couldn't stand the entire beginning Los Santos arc of SA. WAY too much black gangster crap. If I had to hear one more dawg, fo-sho, or n-word, I'd have lost it. Thankfully things kicked up once you hit the country and beyond.
It was a turn off for a lot of people, especially when combined with CJ caving into Sweet's bitching near the end. I can understand wanting to explore the gangbanger genre of crime stories, but it doesn't have as universal of an appeal as stuff in the vein of The Godfather and Scarface.
At least we got to leave OG Loc a broken kid by the end of the game. Damn he was an annoying twerp . . .
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Helping Catalina annoyed me the most. She was so fucking annoying and i had no reason to keep going back to fucking help her.
In other news no one liked Ryder
Catalina was a riot for me, solely for the fact that the radio had a knack for playing the perfect song for her missions. I'm convinced Rockstar has some code going on to do just that.
First time around, bank robbery mission, running from the cops back to the hideout.
We get together every time we can
The Mississippi River can't keep us apart
There's too much love in the Mississippi heart
Too much love in this Louisiana heart
Replayed the game a while later, same mission.
knowing it ain't really smart
The joker ain't the only fool
who'll do anything for you
That's way too specific to be random chance.