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XieflowXieflow Registered User regular
http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=23

Why isn't this forum on the forum index?
http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/index.php

I think if people could actually get to this forum without digging around, it might get some use and we wouldn't see the "I just got System ____ what games should I buy?) topics over and over, among other things.

Right now it seems the only way to get to the forum is to go into the G&T master sticky, click on one of the threads, and then click on one of the threads there, then click the forum listing from within that thread.

This would be like if they put a library on the moon.

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    matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited March 2005
    It's also the first sticky in H&A.

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    PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited March 2005
    Why don't we post the MOD forum on the front page too, huh?

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2005
    XieflowX wrote:
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    I was thinking the same thing, also it should be made so that noone (but mods and admins of coarse) can post a thread in there, only threads deemed worthy enough should be moved there. Posting in threads though, will be allowed.

    Paladin wrote:
    Why don't we post the MOD forum on the front page too, huh?

    The mod forums is just that, it's the mod forum. Regular users have no need for it and shouldn't have that ability. The AFK forum is filled with information that EVERYBODY should have access to, including quick and easy access.

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    PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    Paladin wrote:
    Why don't we post the MOD forum on the front page too, huh?

    I'm not sure I understand the point you're making. It's not like there's a visible directory of threads that one would find within it, available for public reading.

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    ÄlphämönkëyÄlphämönkëy Registered User regular
    edited March 2005
    I might make a poll if there is enough interest, but Bone Daddy needs to stop by first. I dont like doing things without my better half being around.

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2005
    I might make a poll if there is enough interest, but Bone Daddy needs to stop by first. I dont like doing things without my better half being around.

    I thought I was your better half. :(

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    bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    I might make a poll if there is enough interest, but Bone Daddy needs to stop by first. I dont like doing things without my better half being around.

    I flipped a coin. The coin said "not at this time."

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2005
    bone daddy wrote:
    I might make a poll if there is enough interest, but Bone Daddy needs to stop by first. I dont like doing things without my better half being around.

    I flipped a coin. The coin said "not at this time."

    Don't you think it'd cut down on repeat threads?

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    bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    bone daddy wrote:
    I might make a poll if there is enough interest, but Bone Daddy needs to stop by first. I dont like doing things without my better half being around.

    I flipped a coin. The coin said "not at this time."

    Don't you think it'd cut down on repeat threads?

    Well, that would hinge on someone oblivious enough not to notice a sticky or run a search being clever enough to notice a read-only forum and then reading it. So probably not enough to risk angering the volcano gods.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    In all fairness, seraching is still borked. But the sticky is a tad bit....obvious.

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2005
    bone daddy wrote:
    bone daddy wrote:
    I might make a poll if there is enough interest, but Bone Daddy needs to stop by first. I dont like doing things without my better half being around.

    I flipped a coin. The coin said "not at this time."

    Don't you think it'd cut down on repeat threads?

    Well, that would hinge on someone oblivious enough not to notice a sticky or run a search being clever enough to notice a read-only forum and then reading it. So probably not enough to risk angering the volcano gods.

    I just think the average person is more apt to check a visible forum specifically created to house answers to common questions before:

    a) doing a search,
    b) checking for a sticky (those things are always scanned over, anyway), or
    c) making a new thread.

    Cutting back on (a) and (c) would decrease server load, while (b) is often missed in heavily-trafficked forums.

    I'm willing to bet that the majority of forumers don't even realize we have a special forum dedicated to the prevention of repeat threads. It's just sad it's tucked away in the corner.

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    bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    In all fairness, seraching is still borked. But the sticky is a tad bit....obvious.

    There was a time when searching was not borked, and lo, we still saw this exact thread repeatedly.

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2005
    bone daddy wrote:
    In all fairness, seraching is still borked. But the sticky is a tad bit....obvious.

    There was a time when searching was not borked, and lo, we still saw this exact thread repeatedly.

    Maybe you should move this to AFK then. ;)

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    bone daddy wrote:
    In all fairness, seraching is still borked. But the sticky is a tad bit....obvious.

    There was a time when searching was not borked, and lo, we still saw this exact thread repeatedly.

    And in that time, the sticky was still there, still blatant.

    People are oblivious to anything not shoved down their throats.

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    bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    bone daddy wrote:
    In all fairness, seraching is still borked. But the sticky is a tad bit....obvious.

    There was a time when searching was not borked, and lo, we still saw this exact thread repeatedly.

    Maybe you should move this to AFK then. ;)

    Yes, but then the irony would cause this side of the boards to implode.

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    XieflowXieflow Registered User regular
    edited March 2005
    I think that AFK would actually gain some use if it was on the forum index and we linked to it in the usual early post in a thread that links to the thread that already exists.

    I never go to AFK unless I know a thread is specifically there... (and the only threads I know are there are the "recommend me a game for system XYZ" threads) otherwise it's way too many steps to go check for a thread that just might be there.

    And searching? When I search I always put the search field on G&T only so I don't get results from EE or H&A or whatever.

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    The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    XieflowX wrote:
    And searching? When I search I always put the search field on G&T only so I don't get results from EE or H&A or whatever.

    There's an interesting point. It'd be handy if the search function allowed selection of multiple forums to search, instead of just 'all or one'. It needs that other listbox (like the select industry box here; you hold down ctrl to select multiple items) to work, not the drop-down menu. Would adding that in be feasible in future?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    The Cat wrote:
    XieflowX wrote:
    And searching? When I search I always put the search field on G&T only so I don't get results from EE or H&A or whatever.

    There's an interesting point. It'd be handy if the search function allowed selection of multiple forums to search, instead of just 'all or one'. It needs that other listbox (like the select industry box here; you hold down ctrl to select multiple items) to work, not the drop-down menu. Would adding that in be feasible in future?


    I would always open up multiple windows or hit the back key and change the destination.

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    XieflowXieflow Registered User regular
    edited March 2005
    I'm curious.

    Why is this such an issue?

    Would moving AFK be that tough?
    Do the mods just like being fussy?

    Why is AFK not visible from the index?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    XieflowX wrote:
    I'm curious.

    Why is this such an issue?

    Would moving AFK be that tough?
    Do the mods just like being fussy?

    Why is AFK not visible from the index?

    Mainly to prevent people from screwing around with it.

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    PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited March 2005
    Remind me again why we prune the chatlogs while we're at it.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    Paladin wrote:
    Remind me again why we prune the chatlogs while we're at it.

    We don't anymore.

    Check the memorable threads: the last one on there is from Jan. 2004.

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    bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    Paladin wrote:
    Remind me again why we prune the chatlogs while we're at it.

    We haven't done that in forever.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    Paladin wrote:
    Why don't we post the MOD forum on the front page too, huh?

    But then people could see all of the shit we talk about them...and we would have to kill the moddy porn thread, and I can't be having that.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    bone daddy wrote:
    Paladin wrote:
    Remind me again why we prune the chatlogs while we're at it.

    We haven't done that in forever.

    I actually just noticed that Off Topic still does.

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    bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    bone daddy wrote:
    Paladin wrote:
    Remind me again why we prune the chatlogs while we're at it.

    We haven't done that in forever.

    I actually just noticed that Off Topic still does.

    That's because...well, are you familiar with how black holes are formed, and why you really don't want to be in close proximity to one?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    bone daddy wrote:
    bone daddy wrote:
    Paladin wrote:
    Remind me again why we prune the chatlogs while we're at it.

    We haven't done that in forever.

    I actually just noticed that Off Topic still does.

    That's because...well, are you familiar with how black holes are formed, and why you really don't want to be in close proximity to one?

    Yes. Oh, H&R is the black hole. Gotcha. Should we tell them that?

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    bone daddybone daddy Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    Well, see, the chatlog is like the distilled and boiled-down essence of a forum. So it's not that H+R is a blackhole, but that, in concentrated form, it would eradicate life as we know it forever.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
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    Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited March 2005
    Er. As for the Game Recommendations, as I've noted elsewhere, the only threads we have in AFK are for the current consoles and the Dreamcast, so of course we're going to get threads about the SNES and Saturn and such.

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    mccmcc glitch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    I have a problem with the "game recommendations thread" concept as it stands. It doesn't seem to serve any really meaningful purpose. We had "game recommendations" stickied in G&T for, like, forever, and not only did no one ever seem to realize it was there, it wasn't much use because

    1. When people come in asking for a game recommendation, they're not so much asking "what is good", they're asking for personal endorsements from real, living people they can respond to and decide whether they trust-- something an impersonal list doesn't provide. If they just wanted a list they'd go to gamerankings.
    2. The nature of the list was such that since every game has someone somewhere who likes it, it gradually grew to encompass every single game ever made for that system. That made it not so useful. The format of the list meant no information was really given or easy to give except names; if the SNES list contained Final Fantasy III, Actraiser and Bugs Bunny's Whatever, how does a reader know one of these games is a "must own", one is a slightly obscure cult classic, and one probably shouldn't be on the list at all?

    The only purpose served by the game recommendations thread while it was stickied seems to have been to provide an excuse to lock the endless and constant "what games should i buy" threads.

    I'm not sure where I'm going with all this, but I think I am trying to say I question exactly what utility AFK can provide as a game recommendations repository even if we make it clearly visible and easy to navigate.

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited March 2005
    Plus they are buried in the stickies. There are so many sticky threads in G&T that no one reads them.

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    DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2005
    YAY!

    Alright I would suggest actually locking the AFK forum from anyone creating threads. People should only be allowed to post in threads deemed worthy enough to go there.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    FAUrrego wrote:
    YAY!

    Alright I would suggest actually locking the AFK forum from anyone creating threads. People should only be allowed to post in threads deemed worthy enough to go there.

    We already do that.

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    Bob SappBob Sapp Registered User regular
    edited March 2005
    mcc wrote:
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    *clap*
    *clap*
    *clap*

    That was perfect.

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    denihilistdenihilist Ancient and Mighty Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2005
    bone daddy wrote:
    Paladin wrote:
    Remind me again why we prune the chatlogs while we're at it.

    We haven't done that in forever.

    Which is one of the reasons we started doing it, no one really checks the archives that often.

    Now everything cycles around again.

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    StarfuckStarfuck Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    that security thread could use an update
    who can i pm an updated version? alpha or bd

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited March 2005
    Oh, if someone comes up with something brilliant they'd like to see added to AFK, just PM a mod.
    that security thread could use an update
    who can i pm an updated version? alpha or bd

    Make a thread somewhere and I'll move it to AFK.

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    StarfuckStarfuck Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2005
    Thanks
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15220957#15220957

    I that should do it. Peopl may want to add to it, but it covers the basic stuff while skipping over things like adaware/spybot and some more paranoid security measures that are probably overkill.

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    A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited March 2005
    denihilist wrote:
    bone daddy wrote:
    Paladin wrote:
    Remind me again why we prune the chatlogs while we're at it.

    We haven't done that in forever.

    Which is one of the reasons we started doing it, no one really checks the archives that often.

    Now everything cycles around again.

    The reason I don't put anything in the chatlogs is because it would be deleted eventually anyway. This circle is spinning pretty quickly.

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