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So my wife and I have decided to start doing our own Monday Night Football thing, using a new version of Madden. We have a 360 and a Wii, and I am curious which one will be more enjoyable. Do the Wii movements add significantly to the experience? Does the 360 version look so much better that it blows the Wii away? Note that we do have a 53" HDTV capable of 1080i. Also, our preferred play style (initially, anyway), will be to play on the same team against the computer. My wife is not a big gamer, so if one version is significantly more intuitive that would be good to know. She does know football pretty well so it is more a matter of figuring out which is easiest to play rather than the double complication of learning the controls and learning how football works.
So, H/A, which game would be better for me? I will be happy to provide additional descriptions if necessary.
Are you talking about the games out now? Because new versions are coming in August. You should wait.
At least I know the 360 version is coming in August, not sure about Wii. Also, just based on the TV you're using, I'd want to take advantage of the HD (360 version).
Are you talking about the games out now? Because new versions are coming in August. You should wait.
At least I know the 360 version is coming in August, not sure about Wii. Also, just based on the TV you're using, I'd want to take advantage of the HD (360 version).
Uh, all the versions of Madden come out on the same day(Aug 14th). At any rate, if this helps your decision, it looks like Madden will be online for the Wii this year.
A lot of people think that the gimmicks -- I mean, innovations -- involving the Wii's motion capabilites in Madden have actually made the gameplay less accessible instead of easier to pick up and play. If you're looking for something that's intuitive, I'd stick with the 360 version. Also, if you're really trying to get the full MNF atmosphere (which is a great idea, BTW), I'd go with the better graphics and full HD capability of the 360.
A lot of people think that the gimmicks -- I mean, innovations -- involving the Wii's motion capabilites in Madden have actually made the gameplay less accessible instead of easier to pick up and play. If you're looking for something that's intuitive, I'd stick with the 360 version. Also, if you're really trying to get the full MNF atmosphere (which is a great idea, BTW), I'd go with the better graphics and full HD capability of the 360.
That must be why Madden on the Wii got higher review scores than the 360 version, despite missing online play.
1.) Did you just use aggregated review scores as an argument?
2.) He asked about a specific part of gameplay. Perhaps reading the actual text of these reviews will show you what I was saying - the Wii controls actually make it less intuitive in a lot of people's opinions. Example.
2.) He asked about a specific part of gameplay. Perhaps reading the actual text of these reviews will show you what I was saying - the Wii controls actually make it less intuitive in a lot of people's opinions. Example.
Unless you already have an intimate knowledge of football and sports gaming, there’s really nothing intuitive about Madden to begin with.
2.) He asked about a specific part of gameplay. Perhaps reading the actual text of these reviews will show you what I was saying - the Wii controls actually make it less intuitive in a lot of people's opinions. Example.
Unless you already have an intimate knowledge of football and sports gaming, there’s really nothing intuitive about Madden to begin with.
I disagree, but it's a moot point because he's already decided to get some version of Madden anyway. Call it the lesser of two evils if you want, but the fact is that a significant percentage of players think the Wii controls detract from the game's accessibility.
Are you talking about the games out now? Because new versions are coming in August. You should wait.
At least I know the 360 version is coming in August, not sure about Wii. Also, just based on the TV you're using, I'd want to take advantage of the HD (360 version).
Uh, all the versions of Madden come out on the same day(Aug 14th). At any rate, if this helps your decision, it looks like Madden will be online for the Wii this year.
It should help his decision, because then he'll be able to compare the experience of playing a game online with the Wii to playing it online over Xbox Live. Which will make things easier for him.
Not to say that he'll never want to play online, but he said pretty clearly that he's buying it for the purpose of playing with his wife against a computer opponent. I don't think online capability matters much.
In my opinion, the 360 version gives you better control when doing advanced movements, such as juking and spinning and other things that require split-second decision-making. Outside of that, though, the Wii version is definitely in my opinion easier to use when just learning the basics of the game (rushing and basic passing), and should be the pick considering the lack of experience your wife has. I think the complaints about accessibility in the Wii refer more to advanced motions rather than the basics.
I'm so not surprised that you used 1up for your example. They bash on the Wii all the time. Their review of RE4Wii was a joke.
From everything I've heard, Madden for the Wii is just plain fun. And '08 should be totally fantastic, seeing as how they're building it from the ground up for the Wii.
If you enjoy being more immersed in the game, get the Wii version. If you would rather just push buttons, get the 360 version.
I think that pigeonholing an entire site as being anti-Wii makes as little sense as saying an entire forum is full of Nintendo fanboys who will defend the Wii at all costs. Can we agree to not make such generalizations?
The example was just that: an example. I've heard the sentiment from other sources, my own experience included. I'm not going to apologize for backing my opinion with references instead of going with hunches and hearsay.
At any rate, I'm done with this thread, as I'm sure the last thing the mods want is for this to devolve into a 360 vs. Wii thread. I don't have a vested interest in either console, but I have played Madden on both and I think that if you're a more-than-casual NFL fan, as the OP and his wife are, and you have a 53-inch HDTV, you'll appreciate the 360 version more than the Wii version. The differences aren't that drastic anyway; they're both fun to play, but since the OP specifically asked about the accessibility, I felt obligated to point out that there is nowhere near a consensus re: the effectiveness of Wii controls.
All that said, I would still wait for the '08 releases if possible. I'm hoping that another year will have given EA a chance to refine the Wii controls into something that has a broader appeal.
the wii version of madden is really fun. but catching is a bitch sometimes, i couldnt figure out the motion to do it before rental time came up.
madden on 360. same as every football game except a hell of lot prettier than before.
wii version has 2 on 2 minigames, punt pass and kick competitions, and you throw the ball as the quarter back. that was cool.
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My two cents: I've been completely uninterested in same-old same-old Madden games for a long time. However, the Wii iteration breathes some new life into the old formula. The gesture controls are, if you don't play like a tool, quite fun especially when playing with friends.
From IGN:
As the next installment of Madden goodness on Wii, Madden NFL 08 promises more arcade/sim football, and more ease and entertainment through the Wii remote. With the core gameplay being retained from last year's extremely successful outing, players can pass, juke, spin, stiff arm, and dive their way to the end zone with engaging Wii motion control, all the while experiencing the same amazing Madden gameplay the franchise is famous for. Added to this year are over 20 multiplayer mini-games, online play, and a unique, Wii-exclusive "Telestrator" that lets you humiliate your friends by drawing on the screen during instant replays just like Madden himself.
My advice? Wait until the new games come out, and read the reviews.
The Wii version is allegedly being "built from the ground up" for the Wii, whatever that means. It could mean that it is very different from the Madden '07 Wii. It could mean that they took everything about Madden '07 Wii and made it even more fun and accessible. It could mean neither of these things. We don't know. We will know, however, after August 14, if you can wait that long.
I think that pigeonholing an entire site as being anti-Wii makes as little sense as saying an entire forum is full of Nintendo fanboys who will defend the Wii at all costs. Can we agree to not make such generalizations?
I feel compelled to defend the Wii from people who say it's gimmicky because I look at the Wii and I see the future of gaming. I don't get bogged down with the fact that early developers are having a problem wrapping their head around the controls, what is possible, and how to make them feel right. I understand that once developers really understand how to use the tools provided to them by the Wii, some absolutely amazing games will be forthcoming.
as I'm sure the last thing the mods want is for this to devolve into a 360 vs. Wii thread.
I think the entire point of this thread was to be a Wii vs. 360 convo. Based on one perticular game, granted, but nonetheless...
I am not knocking the 360. I own one, and I appreciate it for what it is. It's just that, I've never played through a game saying, 'boy, this game is crap, but I can't put it down because it looks so damn pretty.' I have however said, 'this game doesn't push the HD capabilities of my system like it could, but it's so damn fun I can't put it down.'
I don't have a vested interest in either console, but I have played Madden on both and I think that if you're a more-than-casual NFL fan, as the OP and his wife are, and you have a 53-inch HDTV, you'll appreciate the 360 version more than the Wii version. The differences aren't that drastic anyway; they're both fun to play, but since the OP specifically asked about the accessibility, I felt obligated to point out that there is nowhere near a consensus re: the effectiveness of Wii controls.
Which is why I made my post. Games done right on the Wii are just fun. Period. EA is one of the developers that actually puts a lot of effort into their Wii entries, hence, many of their games are done right.
All that said, I would still wait for the '08 releases if possible. I'm hoping that another year will have given EA a chance to refine the Wii controls into something that has a broader appeal.
On this we agree.
Now I'm done with this thread...though I may come back to read future posts. :P
Thanks for all the replies so far. I realized there is another potentially limiting factor - does the Wii version of Madden use the IR camera and sensor bar, or is it all motion-based? I ask because our TV is located next to a window, which if the sunlight is hitting it right can create IR hotspots that interfere with the IR sensor.
Thanks for all the replies so far. I realized there is another potentially limiting factor - does the Wii version of Madden use the IR camera and sensor bar, or is it all motion-based? I ask because our TV is located next to a window, which if the sunlight is hitting it right can create IR hotspots that interfere with the IR sensor.
IR based? I don't know much about the Wii but I'll assume that means moving the remote, and from what I remember from some trailers, yea it does.
You should totally invest in some blinds or something.
Thanks for all the replies so far. I realized there is another potentially limiting factor - does the Wii version of Madden use the IR camera and sensor bar, or is it all motion-based? I ask because our TV is located next to a window, which if the sunlight is hitting it right can create IR hotspots that interfere with the IR sensor.
IR based? I don't know much about the Wii but I'll assume that means moving the remote, and from what I remember from some trailers, yea it does.
You should totally invest in some blinds or something.
Well the remote can sense movement - swinging side to side, rotating, etc. But that does not require the IR camera and sensor to work. The sensor bar is used to give the remote aiming orientation, which is useful in first-person shooters or games where you move the cursor around on the screen by moving the remote and not by using the analog stick. So if the Wii version of Madded just requires you to flick the remote a certain way to throw the ball, it probably doesn't use the IR. But if you have to aim an on-screen curson at a particular wide receiver, for example, and then throw the ball, it means the IR is probably in use.
Madden Wii only uses the sensor bar when picking plays (which can also be done with the analog stick) and when selecting a player onscreen before the snap (though you can just cycle through players as well).
In my opinion, Madden uses the Wii motion controls amazingly, though it will take a game or two to get used to them, and a few more to master the harder moves.
I would certainly take a look at the Wii version, as I think it infuses a lot more fun into the series. Though if you haven't really played much Madden, then it might not matter much to you. I think it would be hard for me to go back to regular controls.
Of course, the Wii version isn't nearly as pretty as the 360, so you have to consider that as well.
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At least I know the 360 version is coming in August, not sure about Wii. Also, just based on the TV you're using, I'd want to take advantage of the HD (360 version).
Uh, all the versions of Madden come out on the same day(Aug 14th). At any rate, if this helps your decision, it looks like Madden will be online for the Wii this year.
That must be why Madden on the Wii got higher review scores than the 360 version, despite missing online play.
2.) He asked about a specific part of gameplay. Perhaps reading the actual text of these reviews will show you what I was saying - the Wii controls actually make it less intuitive in a lot of people's opinions. Example.
Unless you already have an intimate knowledge of football and sports gaming, there’s really nothing intuitive about Madden to begin with.
I disagree, but it's a moot point because he's already decided to get some version of Madden anyway. Call it the lesser of two evils if you want, but the fact is that a significant percentage of players think the Wii controls detract from the game's accessibility.
It should help his decision, because then he'll be able to compare the experience of playing a game online with the Wii to playing it online over Xbox Live. Which will make things easier for him.
From everything I've heard, Madden for the Wii is just plain fun. And '08 should be totally fantastic, seeing as how they're building it from the ground up for the Wii.
If you enjoy being more immersed in the game, get the Wii version. If you would rather just push buttons, get the 360 version.
The example was just that: an example. I've heard the sentiment from other sources, my own experience included. I'm not going to apologize for backing my opinion with references instead of going with hunches and hearsay.
At any rate, I'm done with this thread, as I'm sure the last thing the mods want is for this to devolve into a 360 vs. Wii thread. I don't have a vested interest in either console, but I have played Madden on both and I think that if you're a more-than-casual NFL fan, as the OP and his wife are, and you have a 53-inch HDTV, you'll appreciate the 360 version more than the Wii version. The differences aren't that drastic anyway; they're both fun to play, but since the OP specifically asked about the accessibility, I felt obligated to point out that there is nowhere near a consensus re: the effectiveness of Wii controls.
All that said, I would still wait for the '08 releases if possible. I'm hoping that another year will have given EA a chance to refine the Wii controls into something that has a broader appeal.
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the wii version of madden is really fun. but catching is a bitch sometimes, i couldnt figure out the motion to do it before rental time came up.
madden on 360. same as every football game except a hell of lot prettier than before.
wii version has 2 on 2 minigames, punt pass and kick competitions, and you throw the ball as the quarter back. that was cool.
From IGN:
As the next installment of Madden goodness on Wii, Madden NFL 08 promises more arcade/sim football, and more ease and entertainment through the Wii remote. With the core gameplay being retained from last year's extremely successful outing, players can pass, juke, spin, stiff arm, and dive their way to the end zone with engaging Wii motion control, all the while experiencing the same amazing Madden gameplay the franchise is famous for. Added to this year are over 20 multiplayer mini-games, online play, and a unique, Wii-exclusive "Telestrator" that lets you humiliate your friends by drawing on the screen during instant replays just like Madden himself.
The Wii version is allegedly being "built from the ground up" for the Wii, whatever that means. It could mean that it is very different from the Madden '07 Wii. It could mean that they took everything about Madden '07 Wii and made it even more fun and accessible. It could mean neither of these things. We don't know. We will know, however, after August 14, if you can wait that long.
I feel compelled to defend the Wii from people who say it's gimmicky because I look at the Wii and I see the future of gaming. I don't get bogged down with the fact that early developers are having a problem wrapping their head around the controls, what is possible, and how to make them feel right. I understand that once developers really understand how to use the tools provided to them by the Wii, some absolutely amazing games will be forthcoming.
You may not post again, but I'm pretty sure you'll be reading this.
I think the entire point of this thread was to be a Wii vs. 360 convo. Based on one perticular game, granted, but nonetheless...
I am not knocking the 360. I own one, and I appreciate it for what it is. It's just that, I've never played through a game saying, 'boy, this game is crap, but I can't put it down because it looks so damn pretty.' I have however said, 'this game doesn't push the HD capabilities of my system like it could, but it's so damn fun I can't put it down.'
Which is why I made my post. Games done right on the Wii are just fun. Period. EA is one of the developers that actually puts a lot of effort into their Wii entries, hence, many of their games are done right.
On this we agree.
Now I'm done with this thread...though I may come back to read future posts. :P
You should totally invest in some blinds or something.
Well the remote can sense movement - swinging side to side, rotating, etc. But that does not require the IR camera and sensor to work. The sensor bar is used to give the remote aiming orientation, which is useful in first-person shooters or games where you move the cursor around on the screen by moving the remote and not by using the analog stick. So if the Wii version of Madded just requires you to flick the remote a certain way to throw the ball, it probably doesn't use the IR. But if you have to aim an on-screen curson at a particular wide receiver, for example, and then throw the ball, it means the IR is probably in use.
I agree with your suggestion regarding blinds.
In my opinion, Madden uses the Wii motion controls amazingly, though it will take a game or two to get used to them, and a few more to master the harder moves.
I would certainly take a look at the Wii version, as I think it infuses a lot more fun into the series. Though if you haven't really played much Madden, then it might not matter much to you. I think it would be hard for me to go back to regular controls.
Of course, the Wii version isn't nearly as pretty as the 360, so you have to consider that as well.