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The Evil Empire Patents Virtual Currency?

Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
edited July 2007 in Games and Technology
I just found this Microsoft patent.

United States Patent 20070136608: Off-line economies for digital media

It was published on June 14, 2007.

The patent covers the transfer of media between portable media devises, as well as a means for generating transaction receipts for the digital currency that changes hands during the transfer.

This patent seriously creeps me out. It covers various aspect of p2p media economies and seems to be pretty much a patent for virtual currency (negotiable value, static value, transaction receipts, etc) itself.

Could anyone else give this a read through?

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  • SamphisSamphis Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    "The Evil Empire?" Thread lost all credibility right there.

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  • Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    I thought it somewhat appropriate.

    Microsoft has always been known as the Evil Empire.

    Publishing a patent for money itself, the love of which is the root of all evil, just makes it official.

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  • loosecannon460loosecannon460 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I suppose the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation's (which is of course, aligned with the master of mayhem, Bono) $750 million dollanation to eliminate malaria and $250 million to fight AIDs is a Byzantine powerplay of utterly insidious itent.
    Seriously, as far a mega companies go, Microsoft is about as benevolent as they come. They have a great deal of flaws, but honestly, no one is going to respect, let alone take seriously the idea of a Microsoft "evil empire".

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  • Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    You do realize that Microsoft has been under the eye of the Department of Justice since their Antitrust case ended, right? MS earned the moniker 'Evil Empire' during the 90s. They haven't really done anything since.

    Or are you just too young to remember the 90s?

    Either way, the Antitrust suit ends in November of this year... After which they'll still probably have to deal with the EU's suit against them, but they'll have free reign on North American soil once again.

    Also... I'd suggest watching the movie 'Antitrust', which although being a completely fictional sendup of the company, is oddly enough being mirrored in the claims made by this patent.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    In an on-topic sorta way I read an article a while ago about how patents relating to online ideas were getting out of control. As an example they used Amazon.com's patent on one-click shopping (were you aware of this? I'm pretty sure it was amazon.com, but either way they were the only company allowed to make "one-click checkout" because of a well-written patent) or priceline.com's patent on creating on online buyer's market.

    The article compared this wave of patents to early electrical patents, because apparently when electricity was first introduced the patent office was giving patents on all kinds of old ideas -- just now with electricity! -- which is basically what a lot of these online patents are.

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  • ryuprechtryuprecht Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I just found this Microsoft patent.

    United States Patent 20070136608: Off-line economies for digital media

    It was published on June 14, 2007.

    The patent covers the transfer of media between portable media devises, as well as a means for generating transaction receipts for the digital currency that changes hands during the transfer.

    This patent seriously creeps me out. It covers various aspect of p2p media economies and seems to be pretty much a patent for virtual currency (negotiable value, static value, transaction receipts, etc) itself.

    Could anyone else give this a read through?

    Sounds legit to me. My first thought is for portable devices with limited connectivity to the Internet. Something like using your PDA to get a soda from a vending machine. There's an offline transaction that allows you to buy a soda now. The vendor then pulls it off the machine weekly or so, then charges the banks.

    Might not be the clearest example, but I think that's what this is for.

    EDIT: I think I got this wrong. Ignore me.

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  • Andrew_JayAndrew_Jay Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Reading the patent, it seems like nothing more than a system to give copyright holders credit for the distribution of their works, off-line.

    If I sell you a copy of an MP3 directly from my MP3 player to your's, it will track the sale and deduct a portion to be sent to the musician/owner.

    Really nothing to do with patenting currency of any kind.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    This strikes me as more of a G&T thread.

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  • loosecannon460loosecannon460 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I remember the 90s and the whole antitrust stuff. Like I said, I wasn't arguing that the company was spotless, because they are not. I was just stating that the Evil Empire bullshit is outdated, as it has been over a decade since those events came to pass, and whatever coporate skullduggery that occured in that time has been far surpassed by Halliburton and crew. And honestly, beyond a sketchy record with reliability and oversaturation when has MS actually lowered the quality of your life enough to deserve the moniker of "Evil Empire"?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I remember the 90s and the whole antitrust stuff. Like I said, I wasn't arguing that the company was spotless, because they are not. I was just stating that the Evil Empire bullshit is outdated, as it has been over a decade since those events came to pass, and whatever coporate skullduggery that occured in that time has been far surpassed by Halliburton and crew. And honestly, beyond a sketchy record with reliability and oversaturation when has MS actually lowered the quality of your life enough to deserve the moniker of "Evil Empire"?

    Since my 360 got the 3 red lights.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I thought it somewhat appropriate.

    Microsoft has always been known as the Evil Empire.

    Publishing a patent for money itself, the love of which is the root of all evil, just makes it official.
    Oh, I thought you meant the US.
    Because, you know, the patent was made in the US.
    And your name is Che Guevara.
    Never mind.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I suppose the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation's (which is of course, aligned with the master of mayhem, Bono) $750 million dollanation to eliminate malaria and $250 million to fight AIDs is a Byzantine powerplay of utterly insidious itent.
    Seriously, as far a mega companies go, Microsoft is about as benevolent as they come. They have a great deal of flaws, but honestly, no one is going to respect, let alone take seriously the idea of a Microsoft "evil empire".
    I altogether prefer the Steven and Melinda Gates Foundation.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited July 2007
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    This strikes me as more of a G&T thread.

    Curse youuuuuu

    Echo on
  • loosecannon460loosecannon460 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The 360 problems are more of a petty evil, not the earth enslaving, Mr. Burns kind of domination that comes with the moniker. Not to downplay the pain that they cause.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The 360 problems are more of a petty evil, not the earth enslaving, Mr. Burns kind of domination that comes with the moniker. Not to downplay the pain that they cause.

    But imagine what they're doing with that extra money from repairs and stuff.

    I'm sure Microsoft as a company has shot a few puppies in it's time. You can't deny that!

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  • Breyker4711Breyker4711 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    urahonky wrote: »
    I'm sure Microsoft as a company has shot a few puppies in it's time. You can't deny that!

    Who hasn't shot a puppy? How else are you gonna make a puppy salad?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    urahonky wrote: »
    I'm sure Microsoft as a company has shot a few puppies in it's time. You can't deny that!

    Who hasn't shot a puppy? How else are you gonna make a puppy salad?

    With Chicken. Duh.

    (Play on the Asian food stereotype... but in reverse!)

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  • cfgausscfgauss Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    urahonky wrote: »
    I remember the 90s and the whole antitrust stuff. Like I said, I wasn't arguing that the company was spotless, because they are not. I was just stating that the Evil Empire bullshit is outdated, as it has been over a decade since those events came to pass, and whatever coporate skullduggery that occured in that time has been far surpassed by Halliburton and crew. And honestly, beyond a sketchy record with reliability and oversaturation when has MS actually lowered the quality of your life enough to deserve the moniker of "Evil Empire"?

    Since my 360 got the 3 red lights.

    THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
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    This is CLEARLY Evil, people, what's wrong with you?

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  • solsovlysolsovly Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You do realize that Microsoft has been under the eye of the Department of Justice since their Antitrust case ended, right? MS earned the moniker 'Evil Empire' during the 90s. They haven't really done anything since.

    Or are you just too young to remember the 90s?

    Either way, the Antitrust suit ends in November of this year... After which they'll still probably have to deal with the EU's suit against them, but they'll have free reign on North American soil once again.

    Also... I'd suggest watching the movie 'Antitrust', which although being a completely fictional sendup of the company, is oddly enough being mirrored in the claims made by this patent.

    Playing the I'm older than you card on the internet. Brilliant. Especially since the responder did make valid points and acknowledge that the company is without fault. Regardless, they Evil Empire is slightly above the M$ flamebaiting is not something that's really productive around here.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    cfgauss wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    I remember the 90s and the whole antitrust stuff. Like I said, I wasn't arguing that the company was spotless, because they are not. I was just stating that the Evil Empire bullshit is outdated, as it has been over a decade since those events came to pass, and whatever coporate skullduggery that occured in that time has been far surpassed by Halliburton and crew. And honestly, beyond a sketchy record with reliability and oversaturation when has MS actually lowered the quality of your life enough to deserve the moniker of "Evil Empire"?

    Since my 360 got the 3 red lights.

    THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!

    If you have 4 red lights it means the video cable is not plugged in all the way.

    3 red lights means you just got fucked :P

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    So what's all this about M$

    get it, I used a dollar sign, because it looks like an S, but also is the symbol for US currency, which Microsoft has a lot of

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  • Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    I guess it's more of a monopoly that worries me.

    It seems that this kind of revenue sharing model could be incredibly beneficial. But MS has it patented, which means if anyone tries to implement it they can tax their model.

    That and the only other company thats used the technology before the patent was issued was closed down by Windows Media Player and Vista 'security' updates.

    I don't think a technology this important should be controllable by a private agency. It should be run by a non-profit like ICANN, with compatibility enforced for non-proprietary operating systems like Linux.

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  • MinionOfCthulhuMinionOfCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Samphis wrote: »
    "The Evil Empire?" Thread lost all credibility right there.

    Combine that fact with his username for extra hilarity.

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  • cfgausscfgauss Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I guess it's more of a monopoly that worries me.

    It seems that this kind of revenue sharing model could be incredibly beneficial. But MS has it patented, which means if anyone tries to implement it they can tax their model.

    That and the only other company thats used the technology before the patent was issued was closed down by Windows Media Player and Vista 'security' updates.

    I don't think a technology this important should be controllable by a private agency. It should be run by a non-profit like ICANN, with compatibility enforced for non-proprietary operating systems like Linux.

    THE WHOLE POINT of patents is to do things like this?! I cannot honestly comprehend what leads to thoughts like this.

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  • Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Microsoft now has a patent on p2p offline superdistribution economies in the US. Their Zune will probably be the first device to implement it.

    Imagine being able to trade/sell music, movies, games, books... everything digital media from a handheld device. But it's like having a new taxation system in regards to publishing your media, where M$ can claim a share of every sale, and no one is allowed to provide competing distribution models.

    The whole point of patents is to obtain a monopoly, which they now have. In this case, patenting an 'offline digital media economy' is on the same level as patenting the wheel or fire in how it affects the future of the Internet.

    The whole point of Antitrust suits is to prevent corporations from running roughshod over the rights of the public in preventing anti-competitive practices. In this case, they've already eliminated their only competitor by updating their code to block them from using their operating system. This is a step beyond what happened with the Netscape Antitrust suit.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    So what's all this about M$

    get it, I used a dollar sign, because it looks like an S, but also is the symbol for US currency, which Microsoft has a lot of

    Damnit, someone needs to find the PA strip about doing that.

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  • Snake GandhiSnake Gandhi Des Moines, IARegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Man, Wal-Mart has got MS beat when it comes to the whole 'evil empire' gig.

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  • Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Walmart?

    Can't be... they can't mint their own money.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Walmart?

    Can't be... they can't mint their own money.

    What do you mean? They've been doing it for some time now.

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  • Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Walmart?

    Can't be... they can't mint their own money.

    What do you mean? They've been doing it for some time now.

    How so? Are you counting coupons?

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  • Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    Anyone can print a coupon.

    But now only Microsoft has access to p2p 'offline' economies.

    In the States, at least...

    This is one patent I'd like to see the Open Source community violate all to hell.

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I remember the 90s and the whole antitrust stuff. Like I said, I wasn't arguing that the company was spotless, because they are not. I was just stating that the Evil Empire bullshit is outdated, as it has been over a decade since those events came to pass, and whatever coporate skullduggery that occured in that time has been far surpassed by Halliburton and crew. And honestly, beyond a sketchy record with reliability and oversaturation when has MS actually lowered the quality of your life enough to deserve the moniker of "Evil Empire"?

    Why does the firm have so much excess profit so as to endow bill gates with sufficient dough for the foundation? Because they leverage their market power to extract monopoly rents from helpless consumers and institutional clients.

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  • Vargas PrimeVargas Prime King of Nothing Just a ShowRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Man, I thought this thread was going to be about the Yankees.

    Or the former Soviet Union.

    Or the Rage Against the Machine album.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Walmart?

    Can't be... they can't mint their own money.

    What do you mean? They've been doing it for some time now.

    How so? Are you counting coupons?

    Ever hear of a gift card?

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  • Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    That's not valid currency. You can't use a gift card from one store at a competitor's outlet.

    The last distribution system that used this patent was tied directly into Paypal. Any revenue accrued by either the artist or the fan would be exchangeable with other retail agencies.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I guess it's more of a monopoly that worries me.

    It seems that this kind of revenue sharing model could be incredibly beneficial. But MS has it patented, which means if anyone tries to implement it they can tax their model.

    That and the only other company thats used the technology before the patent was issued was closed down by Windows Media Player and Vista 'security' updates.

    I don't think a technology this important should be controllable by a private agency. It should be run by a non-profit like ICANN, with compatibility enforced for non-proprietary operating systems like Linux.
    So your a Linux cult member spouting inanities.
    Got it.
    Moving on.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Anyone can print a coupon.

    But now only Microsoft has access to p2p 'offline' economies.

    In the States, at least...

    This is one patent I'd like to see the Open Source community violate all to hell.

    Really, why didn't someone patent this before?
    It seems like a really good way to make some cash.
    You're just pissed off that the evil monster under the bed did it.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Man, I thought this thread was going to be about the Yankees.

    Or the former Soviet Union.

    Or the Rage Against the Machine album.
    One is dying.
    One is dead.
    One is something I could check out.

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  • Che GuevaraChe Guevara __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    I guess it's more of a monopoly that worries me.

    It seems that this kind of revenue sharing model could be incredibly beneficial. But MS has it patented, which means if anyone tries to implement it they can tax their model.

    That and the only other company thats used the technology before the patent was issued was closed down by Windows Media Player and Vista 'security' updates.

    I don't think a technology this important should be controllable by a private agency. It should be run by a non-profit like ICANN, with compatibility enforced for non-proprietary operating systems like Linux.
    So your a Linux cult member spouting inanities.
    Got it.
    Moving on.

    Actually, I'm a hardcore Windows pirate.

    I tried installing Slackware again this week after a 10 year hiatus and gave up out of frustration.

    But i still don't think music should be limited to a single proprietary platform.

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  • Red LegRed Leg Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yar! A Windows Pirate!

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