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As local residents already know, this will have a massive impact on traffic throughout the entire region. For those of you flying in from out of town, this will add at least 30 minutes to your commute from the airport, so plan accordingly. There's a small chance that construction will wrap up before August 24th, but don't count on it.
In other words... take the viaduct (via the Burien freeway... what is that, 502 or 512?). Don't take I-5 if you're heading North to Seattle from the Sea-Tac Airport.
(edited because I got numbers wrong)
From the airport you could take 518 West (to Burien), then take 509 North which converts to 99 North and right smack into downtown seattle. That turns into the viaduct, which curves around the west side of Seattle along the water. There are a couple of exits to the left... I'm not sure which would be better to get to the convention center, but take one of those exits where the viaduct curves west, then head up to 4th, 5th, or 6th and you should be able to find signs to the convention center. If you hit the Space Needle, you're too far north.
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edited July 2007
Do you suppose that the cabbies and/or airport shuttle folks will be intelligent enough to take the new route?
Unless there is something less expensive/more convenient, I plan on taking a cab from the airport to my hotel.
In other words... take the viaduct (via the Burien freeway... what is that, 502 or 512?). Don't take I-5 if you're heading North to Seattle from the Sea-Tac Airport.
Northbound 99 (top of the viaduct) is one of the coolest ways to come into the city. Great city views ahead/right and Puget Sound & Olympic Mountains to your left. Just don't be gawking at the sights if you're the driver
Viaduct is highway 99. But just north of the airport 509 & 99 split off. 99 makes a SE run towards I-5 while 509 goes SW to the other side of the airport. 518 runs east/west between 509 & I-5.
So from the airport you could take 518 West, to 509 North which converts to 99 North and right smack into downtown seattle.
Or you could take 518 East, to I-5 North, exit onto 599 North which meets up with 509 North right as it converts to 99 North, and bam you're downtown.
OR... you could get on "Tukwila International Blvd" (which is technically highway 99) right outside the airport and go north. At this point it is a surface road with lots of stoplights. Eventually you'll see an exit for "Highway 99" which is kinda odd cuz you're technically on International Blvd/99... but if you take that you'll get on the highway right to downtown Seattle.
If you're taking a cab... ask the cabbie how bad I-5 is... most will be straight upfront with you. If it's bad, tell him you want to take "Highway 99" into Seattle to the convention center... he'll find the fastest way to 99.
Hotel shuttles don't benefit from taking you for a ride so they should know which way is fastest.
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edited July 2007
What alternate route should be taken if driving up from I-90?
Its not really avoidable
depending what time you guys get here... theres one option (DO NOT DO THIS ANYTIME AROUND 8AM OR 5PM)
Take i405 North to highway 520 east (the other floating bridge) then take I5 south and come into seattle from the north.
Since you guys might have internet bookmark this and use it to judge how to approach seattle.
That construction is south of the I-90 interchange so it shouldn't effect you if you're coming in from I-90. It's only northbound lanes south of the interchange, so you'll pop onto I-5 just north of the end of the construction zone... at least you should
That construction is south of the I-90 interchange so it shouldn't effect you if you're coming in from I-90. It's only northbound lanes south of the interchange, so you'll pop onto I-5 just north of the end of the construction zone... at least you should
You sure? I thought it included all the elevated freeway between spokane street and the I-90 interchange (including the interchange where it meets the freeway), plus a little before teh interchange between the tunnel and I-90.
Everything I've read seems to indicate the work will be done only to I-5 and south of the actual I-90 interchange. There's a map on the page linked above that seems to support that as well: http://wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/I5/SpokaneStreetBridgeRepair/map
Dont worry, construction or not, Downtown Seattle traffic is always crap. also i recommend you get a hotel close to the Convention Center like the Sheraton or the West inn otherwise you're going o have a hard time finding parking nearby. Trust me.
Pacific Place Mall has alot of parking and it is close to the Convention center.
Monorail can sometimes help depending on where you start.
Check out the Needle and teh Pacific Place Mall while youre in Seattle as well. maybe on your way back from a day at PAX.
If you're coming into town from the South, odds are you're coming on I-5.
If you're coming into town from the East, odds are you're coming on I-90.
Either way, you'll likely get caught in a traffic backup, especially during commuting hours.
If you're staying outside of downtown with intent to bus in (there's a whole thread about bussing from SeaTac), check http://transit.metrokc.gov for reroutes.
What alternate route should be taken if driving up from I-90?
The construction stops at the I-90 interchange, so traffic should be alleviated north of there.
It's still going to be a bitch and a half. Some worse-case projections estimate that traffic will be gridlocked from Seattle to Tacoma, a good thirty-mile stretch. Highway 99 (the Viaduct) will likely not be any better, since much of the local traffic is going to divert there from the 5. Side-streets are going to be loaded as well.
I would almost recommend splitting off in Tacoma and taking Highway 3 to Bremerton or Bainbridge, then taking the ferry across. It takes roughly the same amount of time, and the cost is mitigated over the gas saved and the number of people in the car--riding eastbound on the ferry is free for passengers, as you only pay the auto fare ($14.45). The biggest advantage to this is that it's a killer way to come into the city, and it drops you off right in the middle of downtown.
I drive every day for work, though, and use the 5 on Fridays quite a bit. The construction begins a couple of weeks ahead of PAX, so I'll get a feel for how it plays out and report back once the project actually begins.
What alternate route should be taken if driving up from I-90?
The construction stops at the I-90 interchange, so traffic should be alleviated north of there.
Even better, westbound I-90 does not dump you straight onto northbound I-5. Instead, you pull onto a long collector/distributor ramp alongside I-5 that isn't involved in construction. For the convention center, stay in the center lane, and you'll exit off of the ramp (left turn at Madison Street) before it rejoins the interstate.
What alternate route should be taken if driving up from I-90?
The construction stops at the I-90 interchange, so traffic should be alleviated north of there.
Even better, westbound I-90 does not dump you straight onto northbound I-5. Instead, you pull onto a long collector/distributor ramp alongside I-5 that isn't involved in construction. For the convention center, stay in the center lane, and you'll exit off of the ramp (left turn at Madison Street) before it rejoins the interstate.
If you think thats not going to be gridlock as well, you are sorley mistaken.
What alternate route should be taken if driving up from I-90?
The construction stops at the I-90 interchange, so traffic should be alleviated north of there.
Even better, westbound I-90 does not dump you straight onto northbound I-5. Instead, you pull onto a long collector/distributor ramp alongside I-5 that isn't involved in construction. For the convention center, stay in the center lane, and you'll exit off of the ramp (left turn at Madison Street) before it rejoins the interstate.
If you think thats not going to be gridlock as well, you are sorley mistaken.
Yeah, when I say alleviated, I mean upgraded to "slower than geriatric sex" from "completely ri-goddamn-diculously fucked."
Likewise. I'd expect the 90 offramp to be doing at least 3 mph, which beats the pants off of the 0.5 mph that mainline I-5 should be expecting. There aren't really any surface-street routes that are better, sadly....
Travelers inbound from the east who have web-enabled cell phones should bookmark http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/small/ and check freeway traffic when approaching the city, particularly the bridges. SR-520 is the northern of the bridges across the lake, I-90 is the southern. If they both look similar, stay on 90.
How does southbound I-5 look? We generally use exit 165 to get into downtown.
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Bump again, because people can't find this at the bottom of the first page?
People are either blind or cant use search.
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edited August 2007
Stickied because people can't seem to find it on their own.
I would advise using a much better map in conjuction with it... it just gives you some ideas. Most likely the earlier you can get off I-5 the better. And if you're coming from the airport, dont even go near I-5 just take one of the orange routes (I'd suggest the 518 to 509 route from the airport since it's furthest from I-5).
Also you can see there are other side streets that aren't listed... but if you're in unfamiliar turf you might not want to go adventuring. Odds are those side streets have a lot more lights & stops and whatnot. And the state should be giving northbound access on these recommended routes longer green lights and stuff to help funnel traffic north.
The problem is that by the time you get to the area of Boeing Feild & north... everythings gonna suck. Just hang in there... PAX is worth it. PAX is just a bit directly north of the "TO" in "DOWNTOWN" on that map FYI.
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edited August 2007
For those of you who are thinking about taking a cab from the airport...prepare for it to suck even more:
might be able to hitch a ride with other paxers. Im going to pickup some friends on wednesday and thursday. Ill have extra room in my car and ill be heading to the hotels so I might be able to help out a few people. I plan on taking 99 to avoid all the construction.
For those coming in from the north: the express lanes between Northgate (near exit 173) and downtown will be open southbound all weekend. Normally they switch to northbound in the afternoon, this is a temporary construction-related change. Friday's schedule is normal.
If you have 2 or more people in your car, you can use the Pike St. exit, which drops you off directly at the convention center. It's usually a few minutes faster than the mainline lanes. Single-person vehicles can take Stewart St.
Today was the first day of freeway closing, and just to give you guys an idea, I-5 North was stop and go traffic from SR 520 to Marysville. That is a cross county traffic jam ladies and gentlemen. For those that don't live in the area, Marysville is about 40 miles of freeway north of Seattle.
Today was the first day of freeway closing, and just to give you guys an idea, I-5 North was stop and go traffic from SR 520 to Marysville. That is a cross county traffic jam ladies and gentlemen. For those that don't live in the area, Marysville is about 40 miles of freeway north of Seattle.
Um... what?
The freeway is being closed south of the i-90 interchange...
As BigRed pointed out, I doubt the traffic up north is related to the closure considering the traffic occurred past the area of the lane closures. From what I've heard, traffic through downtown seems to be moving well but this is only the first day. Monday is when we'll see how bad it'll probably get.
ok to give you an example of how traffic was tonight at 12:30 am 8/13/07. Traffic was backed up past boeing field from safeco field. I was just glad I was leaving my sundaynight game group rather then trying to go to it. :P Thats not that long of a stretch but at that time of night there shouldnt have been any traffic. I'd expect for anyone coming from the south should probably see a 30 min extra drive atleast.
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(edited because I got numbers wrong)
From the airport you could take 518 West (to Burien), then take 509 North which converts to 99 North and right smack into downtown seattle. That turns into the viaduct, which curves around the west side of Seattle along the water. There are a couple of exits to the left... I'm not sure which would be better to get to the convention center, but take one of those exits where the viaduct curves west, then head up to 4th, 5th, or 6th and you should be able to find signs to the convention center. If you hit the Space Needle, you're too far north.
Unless there is something less expensive/more convenient, I plan on taking a cab from the airport to my hotel.
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How do you describe gridlock x10?
Isnt the viaduct hwy99?
Viaduct is highway 99. But just north of the airport 509 & 99 split off. 99 makes a SE run towards I-5 while 509 goes SW to the other side of the airport. 518 runs east/west between 509 & I-5.
So from the airport you could take 518 West, to 509 North which converts to 99 North and right smack into downtown seattle.
Or you could take 518 East, to I-5 North, exit onto 599 North which meets up with 509 North right as it converts to 99 North, and bam you're downtown.
OR... you could get on "Tukwila International Blvd" (which is technically highway 99) right outside the airport and go north. At this point it is a surface road with lots of stoplights. Eventually you'll see an exit for "Highway 99" which is kinda odd cuz you're technically on International Blvd/99... but if you take that you'll get on the highway right to downtown Seattle.
If you're taking a cab... ask the cabbie how bad I-5 is... most will be straight upfront with you. If it's bad, tell him you want to take "Highway 99" into Seattle to the convention center... he'll find the fastest way to 99.
Hotel shuttles don't benefit from taking you for a ride so they should know which way is fastest.
depending what time you guys get here... theres one option (DO NOT DO THIS ANYTIME AROUND 8AM OR 5PM)
Take i405 North to highway 520 east (the other floating bridge) then take I5 south and come into seattle from the north.
Since you guys might have internet bookmark this and use it to judge how to approach seattle.
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/seattle/
You sure? I thought it included all the elevated freeway between spokane street and the I-90 interchange (including the interchange where it meets the freeway), plus a little before teh interchange between the tunnel and I-90.
But yea... it's gonna be a mess.
Pacific Place Mall has alot of parking and it is close to the Convention center.
Monorail can sometimes help depending on where you start.
Check out the Needle and teh Pacific Place Mall while youre in Seattle as well. maybe on your way back from a day at PAX.
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Seemed necessary, since new threads are being opened for this when one already exists.
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If you're coming into town from the East, odds are you're coming on I-90.
Either way, you'll likely get caught in a traffic backup, especially during commuting hours.
If you're staying outside of downtown with intent to bus in (there's a whole thread about bussing from SeaTac), check http://transit.metrokc.gov for reroutes.
It's still going to be a bitch and a half. Some worse-case projections estimate that traffic will be gridlocked from Seattle to Tacoma, a good thirty-mile stretch. Highway 99 (the Viaduct) will likely not be any better, since much of the local traffic is going to divert there from the 5. Side-streets are going to be loaded as well.
I would almost recommend splitting off in Tacoma and taking Highway 3 to Bremerton or Bainbridge, then taking the ferry across. It takes roughly the same amount of time, and the cost is mitigated over the gas saved and the number of people in the car--riding eastbound on the ferry is free for passengers, as you only pay the auto fare ($14.45). The biggest advantage to this is that it's a killer way to come into the city, and it drops you off right in the middle of downtown.
I drive every day for work, though, and use the 5 on Fridays quite a bit. The construction begins a couple of weeks ahead of PAX, so I'll get a feel for how it plays out and report back once the project actually begins.
If you think thats not going to be gridlock as well, you are sorley mistaken.
Travelers inbound from the east who have web-enabled cell phones should bookmark http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/small/ and check freeway traffic when approaching the city, particularly the bridges. SR-520 is the northern of the bridges across the lake, I-90 is the southern. If they both look similar, stay on 90.
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People are either blind or cant use search.
HELPFUL HINT:
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Epically with pax as close as it is.
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I would advise using a much better map in conjuction with it... it just gives you some ideas. Most likely the earlier you can get off I-5 the better. And if you're coming from the airport, dont even go near I-5 just take one of the orange routes (I'd suggest the 518 to 509 route from the airport since it's furthest from I-5).
Also you can see there are other side streets that aren't listed... but if you're in unfamiliar turf you might not want to go adventuring. Odds are those side streets have a lot more lights & stops and whatnot. And the state should be giving northbound access on these recommended routes longer green lights and stuff to help funnel traffic north.
The problem is that by the time you get to the area of Boeing Feild & north... everythings gonna suck. Just hang in there... PAX is worth it. PAX is just a bit directly north of the "TO" in "DOWNTOWN" on that map FYI.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003825598_webtaxi07m.html
If you have 2 or more people in your car, you can use the Pike St. exit, which drops you off directly at the convention center. It's usually a few minutes faster than the mainline lanes. Single-person vehicles can take Stewart St.
Do that at your own risk though.
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Um... what?
The freeway is being closed south of the i-90 interchange...
I think you just hit an accident or something...